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He was also responsible for doing the voice of Solid Snake
Watchmen screenwriter David Hayter writes a sincere but slightly tongue-in-cheek open letter on Hardcore Nerdity to Watchmen fans and non-fans, to urge them to see the movie more than once in order to understand it.

One of his other points is that he thinks those who hate the movie on principle without having seen it should let it marinate in their minds and give it a chance:

It may upset you. And it probably will upset you.

And all along, we really meant it to. ...All this time, you’ve been waiting for a director who was going to hit you in the face with this story. To just crack you in the jaw, and then bend you over the pool table with this story. With its utterly raw view of the darkest sides of human nature, expressed through its masks of action and beauty and twisted good intentions... Like the Comedian on the Grassy Knoll. ...You'll be thinking about this film, down the road. It'll nag at you. How it was rough and beautiful. How it went where it wanted to go, and you just hung on. How it was thoughtful and hateful and bleak and hilarious. And for Jackie Earle Haley.

Trust me. You'll come back, eventually. Just like Sally.

Comments begin in the 'we love Watchmen (although some of us have reservations about the swinging massive blue dong), go Dayter' mould, until people, from page three onwards, suddenly notice the metaphor he used to describe how the movie should make you feel:

DUDE. No one asks to be cracked in the jaw and bent over the goddamned pool table. Was there NO OTHER ANALOGY you could have used? Do you realize that you're comparing your movie to a rapist and the moviegoers to victims asking for it? And what is this "You'll come back. Just like Sally" crap? Do you have any f***ing idea how offensive that is? Could you not have come up with some other analogy, some other pithy tag, something that doesn't make it out like the Comedian was doing Silk Spectre a f***ing favor when he beat her bloody and tried to rape her?

Did you mean to do that?? If not, erm, consider your words more carefully next time you do the "open letter" thing, because wow, did that part get away from you.

Dayter comments on page 7 with an apology claiming he does not condone violence against women, which is edited into the original article. People briefly thank him for apologising, and then attack him again. Dayter responds graciously via huge spoonfuls of sarcasm and retracting his apology (page 8):

Clearly, you can't get less hateful or spewy than that. I humbly retract the statement.

Anyway, I'm sorry you disliked the film.

And you're right, I don't know why I ever set out to do this in the first place. It's really the world I'm hurting. Damn my family, and their almost-constant need for food!

On top of all of this there's huge amounts of movie rage, but the best thing about the whole altercation is the people at Hardcore Nerdity going so far as to make a video response urging people to LEAVE DAYTER ALONE, starring a very angry Dr. Manhattan.

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	ecchaniz0r 2009-03-15 04:20 pm UTC (link)
	Moore has............................Issues. Many Issues. not as many and as LOUD as Miller has 'em, but - yeah. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	floraposte 2009-03-15 10:11 pm UTC (link)
	Thank you! I know Miller's totally batshit now, but I never understood why he got so much flack (pre-ASSBAR) and Moore got none. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

ecchaniz0r
2009-03-16 03:30 am UTC (link)

Moore's less overt, and he's less - I dunno. Some of it might have to do with genre, some of it might be that Moore is seen as An Intellectual and thus Above That Sort Of Thing - never mind that plenty of smart people are stupid about prejudice and et cetera...

I dunno. For me, Massive Author Issues leap out like screaming fluorescent orange 72-point comic sans or something, because I myself had Author Issues out the ying-yang and when one of my betas kindly pointed them out, I learned what they usually look like XD I has learnings from my experience! Or something!

Some of it is also that people figure Issues With Women will always look like Miller or Dave Sim. When we think about Massive Issues we think of the most screamingly apparent examples and forget about the subtler stuff...

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	bravest_spinja 2009-03-16 10:22 pm UTC (link)
	Moore tends to guard himself with the "Deconstruction" shield. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	fern_on_fen 2009-03-15 11:03 pm UTC (link)
	Evertime I hear "Frank Miller" and 'women' in the same sentence now, I go, "WHORES WHORES WHORES!!!" (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	ecchaniz0r 2009-03-16 03:18 am UTC (link)
	You're not the only one. it's gotten almost memetic amid a couple groups of my friends. Someone mentions Miller, and within the next couple seconds, someone'll be typing/chanting "whores whores whores whores whores whores whores whores whores whores whores whores whores whores whores" (Reply to this)(Parent)

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