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Caito Potato ([info]caito) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2009-03-17 00:06:00


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Entry tags:anime/manga, spoiler cut plz thx

Let's Learning About Japanistan... with Wanker!
Small but headdesky wank from [info]wank_report  , my one-stop shopping source for wank in fandoms I'm not personally involved in.

nakomislona posts to blackstones, a community for NANA (manga/anime/movie) fans. nakomislona admits to spending an hour trying to figure out character parantage. Specifically, she is trying to figure out

who fathered Hachi's oldest kid: Takumi or Nobu?


(I personally have no idea who these characters are, and found that my ignorance did not at all detract from my enjoyment of the wank that ensued.)

nakomislona puts forth detailed information but determines it "too close to call," opening it up to the community for discussion.

Commenters are, for the most part, reasonable and reasoned, going back and forth about the facts vs. their shipping preferences without wank... for the most part. There is one very special snowflake: the_sweet, who's trying to make herself appear as the comm wapanophile Designated Authority on Japan (and NANA character parentage) because she lived there and she taught there.

In an otherwise small post, she's all up in there.

Some favorite quotes:
Show me your statistical proof of Japan's growing teenage pregnancy rate. Links, please. Statistics lately have been showing that Japan has the LEAST amount of sex per capita!
So you must come up with link evidence, but she's allowed to pull them out of her butt. Okay!
The only reason why I got worked up over it was because you were stating incorrect things as if they were facts, without any proof to back yourself up.
"And that's only okay when I do it!"
Having lived and worked in Japan, I know a lot about the education system there as well as a general attitude toward sex; you can't run off assumptions, nor should one spread them around because "they heard it was so." ... State what you feel all you want: just make sure it's clear that it's just your OPINION, not fact.
You shouldn't run off your own assumptions, you should run off hers, because she knows for TRUFAX.
All I was asking for was for you to show HOW you "know" what you know. It's not that hard. Plus it would help if you noticed that your two "FACTS" contradict one another, hence my asking for proof.
The two "facts" were a) Japan has a declining birthrate (true) and b) Japan has teenage pregnancies (also true). These things are not mutually exclusive, the_sweet. Japan has a low teenage pregnancy rate, but that doesn't mean there aren't any teen pregnancies at all.
*sigh* The Internet is a poor medium for certain kinds of discussions, and I'm guessing this is one of them.
Translation: "The Internet is a poor medium for making other people agree with me."
My point was that a condom could break and neither Nobu NOR Hachi could have known about it at the time (just because a condom breaks doesn't mean someone takes a look at it after the fact and goes "Oh noes!").
... oh dear.
Next, the publishers don't usually have any say in regards to the content of the manga, but the editors do.
She probably learned this from being a teacher in Japan, since every teacher in Japan becomes an expert at the comics industry, durr.
In Japan, at least, even if statistically they're the country having the least sex, that certainly hasn't hampered their pornographic industry (whether in the form of live action, games, anime, or manga) any. People still watch rated-R movies with fairly graphic sex scenes; young people still "get the idea." That's their sex-ed: the media.
I wish the_sweet had added links to sources supporting these claims. Oh, wait, I forgot:
And before anyone asks how I know all this: I lived in Japan. I taught there. THAT'S HOW.


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[info]phosfate
2009-03-16 06:48 pm UTC (link)
Er...the fact that Hachi has children could be considered a spoiler.

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[info]snarp
2009-03-16 07:18 pm UTC (link)
Yes. Spoiler-cut, please!

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(no subject) - [info]mochibuni, 2009-03-16 08:45 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]rubymellon, 2009-03-16 10:28 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]mochibuni, 2009-03-17 04:33 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sumire, 2009-03-21 01:03 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]snarp, 2009-03-17 04:11 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]mochibuni, 2009-03-17 04:55 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]snarp, 2009-03-17 05:28 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]caito, 2009-03-17 04:34 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]snarp, 2009-03-17 04:45 am UTC

[info]caito
2009-03-17 01:23 am UTC (link)
Really? I had absolutely no idea.

Should be fixed now, along with the wonky cut I had to begin with.

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[info]gynocrat
2009-03-16 06:53 pm UTC (link)
I know everything about gay men in Japan because...
I read yaoi.
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Isn't it because they have so little sex, that the porn is in everything from cook books to driving manuals? And aren't all the English teachers in Japan just obsessive manga-fans who want a free ticket to the country in order to buy doujinshi?



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[info]honorh
2009-03-17 05:39 am UTC (link)
Everything I know about gay men in Japan comes from my gay (and cock-blocked) JET friend.

Porn in driving manuals? Dammit, they left it out of the English translation!

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(no subject) - [info]napalmnacey, 2009-03-17 08:08 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]honorh, 2009-03-17 08:31 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]napalmnacey, 2009-03-17 08:45 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]honorh, 2009-03-17 02:19 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]jaseroque, 2009-03-17 05:53 pm UTC

[info]napalmnacey
2009-03-17 08:08 am UTC (link)
Dang. My brother is a teaching English because he has a passion for the country itself. He likes anime, but does the normal thing like buy the odd DVD of his favourite show he watched as a kid and Miyazaki movies, and maybe buy a figurine or two of mechas. I'll have to let him know that he needs to get himself a manga fuckdoll and plaster his room with Hello Kitty and stick to a ramen diet. LOL!

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[info]ashenmote
2009-03-16 07:05 pm UTC (link)
The only reason it seems like Japan statistically has the least sex is because a significant share of the sex is had by Ninjas, and your average statistician can not spot them.

Just to dispose this piece of misinformation for once and all.

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(no subject) - [info]bobafeis, 2009-03-16 07:55 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]tez, 2009-03-16 08:04 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]pocketfox, 2009-03-16 10:50 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ashenmote, 2009-03-17 05:45 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]pocketfox, 2009-03-17 05:52 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]honorh, 2009-03-17 05:37 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]seca, 2009-03-17 07:40 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]honorh, 2009-03-17 08:33 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]zumie_ashlen, 2009-03-17 07:26 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]honorh, 2009-03-18 04:33 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]zumie_ashlen, 2009-03-18 10:10 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]honorh, 2009-03-19 01:04 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]zumie_ashlen, 2009-03-19 04:37 pm UTC

[info]oddnari
2009-03-16 08:13 pm UTC (link)
I know everything about Japanese schools, corporate work culture in Japan, Yakuza love-affairs, Japanese escort services, Samurai traditions and shinigamis because I have read Bleach and Midnight Secretary and a whole lot of other mangas, yes. And also, Japanese schoolboys are totally doing their mathematics teachers. I KNOW IT ALL DAMMIT!

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(no subject) - [info]shadowed_blade, 2009-03-16 08:17 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]oddnari, 2009-03-16 08:31 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]pyrrah, 2009-03-16 10:18 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]come_love_sleep, 2009-03-16 09:04 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]oddnari, 2009-03-16 09:30 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]freya, 2009-03-17 12:22 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]come_love_sleep, 2009-03-18 08:42 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]oddnari, 2009-03-18 03:15 pm UTC

[info]shadowed_blade
2009-03-16 08:15 pm UTC (link)
Well I can say sex isn't lacking in Japan. They were handing out Hentai demo games for free the other day in Akihabara. I have them on the desk next to me to prove it.

Not to mention the porn mags left on the train.

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(no subject) - [info]cyndra_falin, 2009-03-17 11:34 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]shadowed_blade, 2009-03-18 11:02 am UTC

[info]come_love_sleep
2009-03-16 08:29 pm UTC (link)
Ai Yazawa wank? Really? Huh. Which reminds me...
Ooh, onemanga.com has the next issue of Nana out now! Been waiting two months...

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(no subject) - [info]lemone, 2009-03-17 08:45 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]come_love_sleep, 2009-03-17 08:59 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]braidedbaka, 2009-03-17 09:42 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]palabradot, 2009-03-17 01:45 pm UTC
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[info]underwaterowl
2009-03-16 08:34 pm UTC (link)
My point was that a condom could break and neither Nobu NOR Hachi could have known about it at the time (just because a condom breaks doesn't mean someone takes a look at it after the fact and goes "Oh noes!").

...are her condoms different from my condoms? Cause that's usually pretty hard to miss, and worth plenty of 'oh noes.'

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(no subject) - [info]mochibuni, 2009-03-16 08:48 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]xero_sky, 2009-03-16 10:44 pm UTC

[info]come_love_sleep
2009-03-16 08:50 pm UTC (link)
And
Show me your statistical proof of Japan's growing teenage pregnancy rate. Links, please. Statistics lately have been showing that Japan has the LEAST amount of sex per capita!

But...but...that's bullshit. Or at least usage of a possible truth to tell a lie. I've been working with one of my Sensei from kendo, as his editor on research he's done about Japanese teens having sex, and how much more common teenage pregnancy is these days because the sex-ed programs aren't as in-depth as they should be...he's Japanese, here for a couple of years for research into minority health care, and he's a doctor.

I see your 'worked in Japan' and raise you a 'Japanese Doctor Says!'

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(no subject) - [info]oddnari, 2009-03-16 09:34 pm UTC

[info]singe
2009-03-16 08:51 pm UTC (link)
...but Gojira destroyed Japan! What country is she talking about?

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(no subject) - [info]jkefka, 2009-03-16 09:16 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]singe, 2009-03-17 08:03 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]oddnari, 2009-03-16 09:31 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]singe, 2009-03-17 08:04 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]napalmnacey, 2009-03-17 08:10 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]singe, 2009-03-17 07:55 pm UTC

[info]notarose
2009-03-16 09:24 pm UTC (link)
Just to make sure: She thinks the lower birth rate automatically equals less sex?

What of birth control for male/female sex, the fictional nature of mpreg for men who have sex with men, and the lack of human parthenogenesis for the women who have sex with women?

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[info]ladyofviolets
2009-03-16 09:39 pm UTC (link)
//Show me your statistical proof of Japan's growing teenage pregnancy rate. Links, please. Statistics lately have been showing that Japan has the LEAST amount of sex per capita!//

I immediately thought of the last part of this APH strip. xD

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(no subject) - [info]digigirl132, 2009-03-17 03:19 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ladyofviolets, 2009-03-17 03:47 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]annabelle_lee, 2009-03-17 05:25 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]digigirl132, 2009-03-19 09:33 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]annabelle_lee, 2009-03-19 09:43 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]digigirl132, 2009-03-20 06:47 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]zumie_ashlen, 2009-03-17 07:32 pm UTC

[info]pyrrah
2009-03-16 10:21 pm UTC (link)
The poor kid looks like a female copy of Takumi. What's there to argue about?

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(no subject) - [info]rubymellon, 2009-03-16 10:28 pm UTC
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[info]damien
2009-03-16 11:54 pm UTC (link)
Huh. Nice to know she's moved her patronizing self over to a different fandom!

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(no subject) - [info]_rukia, 2009-03-17 07:23 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]leafeon, 2009-03-18 07:28 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]_rukia, 2009-03-18 06:42 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]leafeon, 2009-03-20 07:32 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]andi_chan, 2009-03-20 05:05 pm UTC

[info]vanya_elda
2009-03-17 12:07 am UTC (link)
It's not that I was taking it seriously; it was the opposite.

O RLY?

I always tl;dr and get wanky when I'm taking things not!srsly.

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[info]lazzchan
2009-03-17 03:01 am UTC (link)
Now it's my turn to know someone that's being wanked. Oh, dear... But boy, she's not acting smart, either. I taught in Japan, too, but good lord-- that does not make me the ultimate authority on all things Japan.

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[info]dragonfangirl
2009-03-17 04:30 am UTC (link)
Does this write-up seem kinda grudgey to anyone else?

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(no subject) - [info]jkefka, 2009-03-17 04:36 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]caito, 2009-03-17 04:38 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]caito, 2009-03-17 09:18 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]white_serpent, 2009-03-17 10:36 pm UTC

[info]honorh
2009-03-17 05:31 am UTC (link)
WHEE, I R AN EXPERT IN ALL THINGS JAPANISH NOW, ASK ME HOW!!!

I will agree with her that Japan's porn industry is both busy *and* eye-opening (even when you wish you could un-sear those images from your eyeballs); however, I couldn't say anything about how they teach sex-ed because, you know, I'm an English teacher. It's what I do. And I haven't managed to drop in to Condomania in Shibuya yet. Next time I'm in Tokyo, maybe.

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(no subject) - [info]_goblin_, 2009-03-17 06:42 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]napalmnacey, 2009-03-17 08:12 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]honorh, 2009-03-17 08:34 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]napalmnacey, 2009-03-17 08:45 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]atreyu, 2009-03-17 08:55 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]napalmnacey, 2009-03-17 09:12 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]atreyu, 2009-03-17 10:47 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]napalmnacey, 2009-03-17 11:00 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]dragonfangirl, 2009-03-17 09:19 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]honorh, 2009-03-18 04:35 pm UTC

[info]deliciouschaos
2009-03-17 11:28 am UTC (link)
Show me your statistical proof of Japan's growing teenage pregnancy rate. Links, please. Statistics lately have been showing that Japan has the LEAST amount of sex per capita!

I am torn between "You demand links rather than citations from accredited sources? Fool!" and "omfg the hurting make it stop"

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(no subject) - [info]cyndra_falin, 2009-03-18 12:02 am UTC

[info]cyndra_falin
2009-03-18 12:06 am UTC (link)
And before anyone asks how I know all this: I lived in Japan. I taught there. THAT'S HOW.

I wonder how well she and the almost sex therapist would get along.

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[info]breathe
2009-03-18 06:57 am UTC (link)
I wonder what she'd make of the whole enjo-kousai trnd.

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(no subject) - [info]breathe, 2009-03-18 06:57 am UTC

[info]leafeon
2009-03-18 07:47 am UTC (link)
I never really talked to the_sweet when I was in the YGO fandom, but to see her act like a pompous 'tard about facts and things like this...

It makes me facepalm and weep for the fandoms she's in/been in.

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