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	kelmendi 2009-04-20 12:55 am UTC (link)
	Whump is pretty much another word for hurt/comfort. It's used pretty widely in Stargate (SG1 and SGA) fandoms, but I can't recall seeing it anywhere else. It's usually used to specify who is getting hurt in the story (e.g. "Warning: Jack whumping" = hurt/comfort with Jack as the injured party). (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	magnolia_mama 2009-04-20 01:04 am UTC (link)
	What's wrong with calling it hurt/comfort then? Is the term too old school? It's like the Harry/Ginny writers who insist on calling their smut "puff" for no discernably logical reason. (Not snarking at you, btw, just snarking at the pointless re-naming of a genre.) (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	kelmendi 2009-04-20 01:08 am UTC (link)
	No freaking clue. By the time I entered SG1 fandom it was already an established term. Maybe people though h/c didn't sound cutesy enough? (Reply to this)(Parent)

	Also... kelmendi 2009-04-20 01:10 am UTC (link)
	Wait... "puff?" They call smut "PUFF?" That is even stupider than "lemon." (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: Also... missdaisy 2009-04-20 02:41 am UTC (link)
	Oh, crap. Just when I figured out what puff and whump are you had to say lemon and I'm WTF?'ing again. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: Also... kelmendi 2009-04-20 02:48 am UTC (link)
	Lemon is (apparently) the same thing as puff. I think it's pretty much exclusively used in anime fandoms. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	Re: Also... adevyish 2009-04-20 06:01 am UTC (link)
	Lemon = hard R/NC17 stuff, lime = R stuff. (Some of my RL friends not involved with fandom use these terms, so I don't know where they come from.) (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

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	Re: Also... rubymellon 2009-04-20 03:03 am UTC (link)
	Do people still call them lemons? That takes me back to my NEG fandom days... (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: Also... rubymellon 2009-04-20 03:03 am UTC (link)
	NGE fandom I should say, curses. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	Re: Also... dragonfangirl 2009-04-20 09:32 am UTC (link)
	I, uh... I moderate for an archive, and I'm currently having a bit of minor conflict with the webmaster over whether to continue using "lemon, lime, orange" as a tag system denoting different kinds of porn. (She's very old school in some ways.) (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

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	kantayra 2009-04-20 01:20 am UTC (link)
	This comment reminds me about how completely and utterly baffled I was the first time I encountered "WAFF". From what I can tell, someone decided to rename "fluff"...with an acronym that includes the word "fluff" in it. It just proves that I will never understand anything, ever. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	singe 2009-04-20 02:45 am UTC (link)
	Errr, WAFF? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	kelmendi 2009-04-20 02:50 am UTC (link)
	WAFF = Warm and fluffy fic. Why do I remember this!? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

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sgaana
2009-04-20 04:08 am UTC (link)

*serious hat for a moment*

I think it can be distinct from h/c, because h/c suggests to some that the focus of the fic will be on two parties -- the character being hurt, and the character doing the comforting. You can find it in gen, het or slash; it would be a major "buddy fic" thing if it was gen. Anyway, if I'm not mistaken, there's as much emphasis on the comfort as the getting-hurt-in-the-first-place.

On the other hand, I often saw people employing the term whumping (this was in SG-1 fandom) where it was more about hurt-and-rescue, perhaps hurt-and-action-adventure, or hurt-and-medical-procedural, and there was less emphasis on the emotional bonding of the comfort. If that makes sense?

A lot of people I saw who were fond of the term liked to complain, for example, that h/c fic was basically just shipfic or slashfic that didn't actually contain sex. Or that h/c was too schmoopy. That sort of thing.

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	janegraddell 2009-04-20 06:16 am UTC (link)
	Yeah, this was my experience as well, that "whumping" was more about getting the character (usually Daniel) hurt and less about the comfort afterwards. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	miera_c 2009-04-20 06:34 am UTC (link)
	On the other hand, I often saw people employing the term whumping (this was in SG-1 fandom) where it was more about hurt-and-rescue, perhaps hurt-and-action-adventure, or hurt-and-medical-procedural, and there was less emphasis on the emotional bonding of the comfort. points This. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	eilan 2009-04-20 08:09 am UTC (link)
	Whump can be without the 'comfort' part :) (Reply to this)(Parent)

	(Anonymous) 2009-04-20 06:11 pm UTC (link)
	I always use 'whump' as sort of an affectionate term. Re: "Merlin's the most fun to whump! I dropped him down a mine shaft again and Arthur immediately leapt down after, bless." Mmm, the evolving language of fandom. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	icarusancalion 2009-04-20 11:26 pm UTC (link)
	I think it means just the hurt, not (necessarily) the comfort. Either that, or I've been using it wrong. You should see what I thought "curtain fic" meant. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	isiscolo 2009-04-21 12:02 am UTC (link)
	I am so glad someone ELSE had the same thought about "curtain fic." La la la. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

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	magnolia_mama 2009-04-21 12:25 am UTC (link)
	What does "curtain fic" mean, now that you've brought it up? I'm always reminded of Sirius Black being eaten by drapery, so my first thought is to equate it with death fic, but seeing as how fandom thinks and how I think rarely ever coincide, I'm probably way off base. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

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	sapote3 2009-04-21 04:26 pm UTC (link)
	I'm pretty sure "whump" actually predates "hurt/comfort". And I don't think they are the same - "hurt/comfort" presumes "comfort", but honestly "whump" encompasses the urge to just beat the shit out of your characters. It's a cutesy term for "I am going to be a huge sadist now," which is why it's concealed in cutesy, I think. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	magnolia_mama 2009-04-21 05:10 pm UTC (link)
	I'm pretty sure "whump" actually predates "hurt/comfort". Fanlore says otherwise. Seeing as whump seems to be confined mostly to the Stargate 'verse and I've known about h/c longer than Stargate's been on TV, I'm inclined to side with Fanlore. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

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	(Anonymous) 2009-04-29 03:53 pm UTC (link)
	I'm pretty sure "whump" actually predates "hurt/comfort". I agree, I saw it used in 1996, in Earth 2 fandom. There were certain characters that authors loved to "whump". I also remember it from Stargate and perhaps Sentinel? Kel (Reply to this)(Parent)

	maryaminx 2009-04-21 09:40 pm UTC (link)
	A lot of the time whumping is h/c without any of the c. Ie, an excuse to fawn over how your favorite character is so misunderstood and nobody loves him (see: Rodney post-Trinity whumping fic with the soldiers beating up on him and John being a dick.) (Reply to this)(Parent)

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