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telegramsam ([info]telegramsam) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2009-04-20 09:23:00


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Entry tags:actors, bitter so bitter, fandom: red dwarf

Some tasty Red Dwarf wank (with extra actor!wank sauce)
This is still fairly contained at the moment, but I anticipate much wankiness shall blossom as time passes...

As I'm sure most geeks and people with televisions living in the UK know, UK satellite channel Dave recently aired 3 new episodes of sci-fi sitcom Red Dwarf, which has not seen the light of day since about oh 1999 or 2000 if I'm not mistaken.

Fans cheer, all is happy in Red Dwarf town

Except in the corner inhabited by former "Holly" actor Norman Lovett, who is apparently rather pissed off about not being invited to the tea party. Blogs were posted trashing the new specials and his former coworkers, and subsequently deleted (anybody who has screencaps of these shall receive internet cookies) on his myspace page and several comments are passed around between Norman and his myspace pals, including this gem on Martin Curran's page in response to Curran's asking as to what happened to his disappearing blogs:

Apr 9 2009 4:12 PM

I put up info that I didn't mean to because it's for my autobiog which I'm working on at the moment. I can let you know that I will not be working with RD/GrantNaylor again as I have been treated appallingly by them over the years and there comes a time when it has to end.
Cheers, Norman


And of course the fans have to get in on the action on the official website forum, trotting out such insults as "miserable, bitter, old bastard" and that he's always been a "moaning git", and surprisingly few of them coming to defend someone they apparently liked just a week or two ago. Speculation that this is all just hype to sell his new upcoming bare-all book is mentioned.

It's a tiny wank as of yet but if speculation that Dave will be ordering a full new series of Red Dwarf bears out, and when that book hits the shelves, I suspect a delightful three-ring circus act on behalf of the happy little Red Dwarf fandom. I shall be making popcorn if anybody wants any.

ETA: The forum thread (including a previous wanky thread) has supposed excerpts copied from his deleted blogs, if anybody's interested,

I will not be involved in the new Red Dwarf programmes on the Dave channel. A pathetic little email arrived today to let me know that due to budget I would not be appearing. I dread to think about the size of the budget because I've never been paid much to appear in Red Dwarf anyway.

I am a little sad because I've been saying over the last couple of years that I am the perfect age to play Holly now. (I was 41 when I first played him). I am more angry really because I was given dates to put in my diary before Christmas but what's new with GrantNaylor in charge.

If you want to make me very happy please go to my website and buy a copy of my new stand-up comedy DVD 'Bags & Biscuits"

Happy New Year and Best Wishes,

Norman


And:

So far there have been 3 reasons in the press why there is no Holly in these programmes that are being shown over Easter on the Dave channel. 1 No budget 2 Didn't want the crew dragging a computer around with them on earth 3 A water leak caused a short circuit and caused the computer to break down.


This gives you an idea of what the people who make Red Dwarf (GrantNaylor) are like and you will be able to read all about them and the cast in my auto biography which I am working on as I speak. I watched Chris, Robert and Danny on BBC Breakfast News this morning. Talk about laughs take a holiday.


I will be watching the shows but I really don't see how it will be any good because it's not shot in front of a studio audience and they're not trapped on board Red Dwarf which was it's main strength when it was character comedy.

Everything is done by one man (Naylor) and he can't do everything well. Bring back Grant and get a good director (Bye) and it might have stood a chance. And Holly with some good gags of course.


Not one of the cast have got in touch with me which just shows how self centred they are. I'm not bitter just unhappy about the way I have been treated by them. By the way GrantNaylor you still owe me money for the Red Dwarf movie rehearsals.


Happy Easter everyone, Norman





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(Anonymous)
2009-04-20 05:52 pm UTC (link)
I'm not bitter

"Which is why I'm writing this to tell you all just how not bitter I really am."


Also, bonus points for ranting about how the show is nothing without him and seguing neatly into "everybody else is self-centred".


Also also, I hope he has a good editor for that autobiography, because his writing is making my head hurt.

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[info]athersgeo
2009-04-20 05:53 pm UTC (link)
*boggle*

Red Dwarf wank.

I think this makes me boggle even more than the recent rainbow and banana wanks over on OTF...

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(Anonymous)
2009-04-20 05:53 pm UTC (link)
Dammit, and here I was thinking that the new episodes had actually been surprisingly awesome and hadn't upset the fandom waters...

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[info]minibalrogmum
2009-04-20 06:13 pm UTC (link)
Red Dwarf wank! Wow. Ouch, that's bitter. Even more bitter for insisting how bitter it is not.

If you want to make me very happy please go to my website and buy a copy of my new stand-up comedy DVD 'Bags & Biscuits"

So he doesn't take lip gloss then?

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(no subject) - [info]out_bottle, 2009-04-20 06:38 pm UTC

(Anonymous)
2009-04-20 06:15 pm UTC (link)
I don't watch Red Dwarf, and yeah, it sucks that he didn't get invited to return as his former, but if he regularly goes off on coworkers/the show/the MySpace, I can understand why they didn't want him back.

By the way GrantNaylor you still owe me money for the Red Dwarf movie rehearsals.
Yeah, not bitter at all :P.

@Tetra

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[info]out_bottle
2009-04-20 06:36 pm UTC (link)
Awww, Red Dwarf wank! It's so cute!

And what a pleasent co-worker he is! I can't imagine why they don't want to work with him!

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[info]stella_polaris
2009-04-20 06:50 pm UTC (link)
I had no idea about the new episodes, and I dun wanna watch :( I want to keep my memories oF RD as good show, since I never saw the last season.

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mockygogo
2009-04-20 06:59 pm UTC (link)
this is kind of sad. Although I see his point.

Now if he'd gotten pissed because the other Holly was invited and he wasn't, then no mercy upon him, fire and brimstone etc.

Still, bitter dregs at coworkers is Bad Form.

Sad panda.

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[info]queencallipygos
2009-04-20 07:03 pm UTC (link)
Alas, I haven't seen Red Dwarf, but know of its existance -- just not sure who HOlly is. Would a good U.S.-centric translation be "it's as if they aired new X-Files episodes that focused solely on Mulder and Scully, and so Mitch Pileggi had a hissy fit"?

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[info]manny_fish
2009-04-20 07:29 pm UTC (link)
He's not bitter folks! Even if he's going to release a tell-all book about how he was shafted by the RD producers and writers and ranting about all it after all this time, he's definitely not butthurt.

Seriously, I liked him as Holly. I haven't seen the new series, but I heard there has been mixed reactions to it. This worries me.

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[info]mister_terrific
2009-04-20 07:42 pm UTC (link)
I keep thinking that it should be "Red Dwarf Smeg", not wank.

I watched the three-parter and...well, let's just say to me it didn't age well. Very clunky and good lord it needed either a studio audience or a laugh track.

Also, let's be careful when referring to "RD Producers" because the first thing that came to mind was "Russell Davies left Doctor Who for THIS?"

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[info]cheezdanish
2009-04-20 07:47 pm UTC (link)
NORMAN WHAT THE SMEG ARE YOU DOING?! STOPPIT! BAD!

...Also don't slag off Chris, I'll cut you. B|

(And, just for the record, I loved BtE, I got what they were doing with it even if it was ham-fisted, and I'm praying to all the fandom gods that there will now be a proper Series IX. So there.)

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It's a good thing this thread has collapsed, because it's CHRIS BARRIE PICSPAM TIEM NAO. - [info]tarash, 2009-04-22 12:11 am UTC
Thank you ever so much. - [info]singe, 2009-04-22 06:45 am UTC
Re: It's a good thing this thread has collapsed, because it's CHRIS BARRIE PICSPAM TIEM NAO. - [info]quackaquacka, 2009-04-23 03:23 am UTC
Re: It's a good thing this thread has collapsed, because it's CHRIS BARRIE PICSPAM TIEM NAO. - [info]cheezdanish, 2009-04-25 12:21 am UTC
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[info]solelyfictional
2009-04-20 08:03 pm UTC (link)
Honestly, when I realised he was missing I thought it was because he didn't want to be associated with such crap. The third episode almost salvaged it, but he's right about the difference the lack of a studio audience made. The whole thing was on a par with most of Dave's own shows - not terrible taken on its own, but looks pretty bad against all the repeats they keep airing. The absence of Holly really didn't help the dynamic.

In interviews a lot of the Dwarf crew openly admit they didn't get on. Barrie and Charles were similar enough to their own characters that the on screen chemistry continued off screen, so to speak, and Lovett wanted to go back to his stand up.. The cast didn't like each other and they didn't like the directors, but they could see that it was working and stuck with it anyway.

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[info]notjo
2009-04-20 08:17 pm UTC (link)
So, what happened to female-headed Holly?

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(Anonymous)
2009-04-20 08:32 pm UTC (link)
Why is he astonished he is being treated like a hired actor? I'm sure actors often form close relationships and become friends with their collegues especially if the work together over an extended period but but they are still employees and assuming these things are personal slights is self centered.

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(Anonymous)
2009-04-20 08:40 pm UTC (link)
Wow. I've sucked lemons sweeter than this guy's grapes. I'm sorry there's no Holly too, but really, dude, get over it already and stop using your OMGPAIN to make people feel sorry for you and buy your stuff.

Sigh. Even Red Dwarf isn't safe from wank.

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[info]munchkinott
2009-04-20 08:57 pm UTC (link)
I'm not surprised. Hattie was dropped for S7 in much the same way.

Bring back Grant and get a good director (Bye) and it might have stood a chance.

That is a cheap ploy though. He DID know about the big edict in '94: work with Rob and Doug's not going to talk to you; work with Doug and Rob's not going to talk to you. Seriously, I spent 18 months working under those conditions and I was too scared to go down to Shepperton for S7.

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(Anonymous)
2009-04-20 10:35 pm UTC (link)
Red Dwarf wank? Oh my god, I'm so happy! And I haven't even read it yet!

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[info]knightrider
2009-04-20 11:46 pm UTC (link)
I was never much of a Red Dwarf fan, really, but wasn't this guy the "old" Holly anyway? Didn't Holly turn into a woman a few seasons in? I admit, I stopped following it when I moved out of my parents' home and hence away from my brother, who was the fan.

Also, from what I recall reading recently, Holly's role as Captain Exposition could largely be filled by Kryten, so yeah, suck it up.

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[info]ladylauren
2009-04-20 11:52 pm UTC (link)
I love that in my fandom, the slashers are the ones who aren't batshit. This is the first wank I've seen in years.

Poor Norman. I feel sorry for him, but he could have reacted better.

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[info]phosfate
2009-04-21 12:41 am UTC (link)
Oh, Red Dwarf, you were a great show once. Then you got a special effects budget.

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[info]rushikayu13
2009-04-21 01:18 am UTC (link)
I spent most of Easter weekend complaining about Holly not making an appearance, but I never thought there would actually be wank about it.

That's my last bit of childhood gone, I hope you realise. :D

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[info]tarash
2009-04-21 01:32 am UTC (link)
I was expecting Red Dwarf wank between those who thought the Easter specials were entertaining, and those who thought it they were bloody awful, but I will happily take Norman's bitterness :D. Although he REALLY needs to realise that COMMAS DON'T BITE. YOU CAN USE THEM. Seriously, if he wrote the autobiography like he writes his myspace blogs, it'll be unreadable.

Personally, I enjoyed episode 1, went WTF at episode 2, and thought it redeemed itself with episode 3.

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[info]esseilte
2009-04-21 01:44 am UTC (link)
Didn't he also throw a hissy fit when he wouldn't come back for the show one year and they replaced him with Hattie Hayridge? Can't say I'm surprised at his attitude now.

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(no subject) - [info]telegramsam, 2009-04-21 02:05 am UTC

[info]lozenger8
2009-04-21 02:11 am UTC (link)
I'm not bitter! I hate you all and everything you're trying to do, but I'm not bitter! Applaud me in my lack of bitterness and buy my sweet, sweet autobiography --- which has no bitterness at all, not even sour, not even umami!


Not bitter!

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