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Caito Potato ([info]caito) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2009-05-10 20:19:00


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The Russet Doom Saga, Part V
So who's been wondering what's been going on with Lady Sybilla and the Russet Doom Saga? I know I haven't! But here we are regardless.

First there was this May 5 message to FanHistory editor Tikatu on her talk page:

Hi, Tikatu. I noticed you've been the most frequent editor of the Russet Noon article, so I'm sending you an update on the "Blood Roses" image by Charli Siebert. I just received an email from her, informing me that she does not want me to use her image for the cover of the book.

Charli wrote to Sybilla: "Unfortunately, I do not give out permission for use of my work in any way, so you'll have to find another cover for your book."

Charli also added, "All of your advertising and marketing of the book containing the image will need to be removed from any and all publications. This includes all print advertising and websites that display the image. If there are websites that you are aware of that are displaying the book cover in question, it is your responsibility to contact them and inform them that they need to remove the image from their site."

Based on Charli's specific request, I am asking that you please remove the old Russet Noon cover currently on display in the article. And, if it's not too much to ask, please add a note to the article to confirm that Russet Noon will have a new cover image before it gets published. Please let me know if you need me to upload a screencap of Charli's email as proof.

Last part of the update is that Charli and I are in negotiations to have her create a new image exclusively for the new Russet Noon cover.

Thanks very much.

Artistic revolution 07:45, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
Consider also this newly-added apology on the Russet Noon website:
On behalf of AV Paranormal and Russet Noon, we'd like to offer our sincerest apologies to Charli Siebert, the creator of "Blood Roses," the above image. We had used this image for the cover of Russet Noon under the mistaken assumption that it was a royalty-free image. Even though this image will no longer be on the cover of Russet Noon, we are extremely proud to announce that Charli Siebert is in negotiations with Lady Sybilla to design an image exclusively for the cover of Russet Noon. We look forward to revealing the new cover of the novel. Please click on "Blood Roses" to visit Charli Siebert's official site, Unimaginative.org.
As for Wikipedia, it looks like Potato Moon's page is pretty safe from deletion for the moment. The article currently identifies Russet Noon by name, with the explanation, "Stephenie Meyer uses the word "russet" numerous times throughout the Twilight Saga to describe the color of Jacob Black's skin." You will never guess who edited the article to include that superfluous information. The change occurred after this conversational exchange:

Ladysybilla: "Hi, IceCreamEmpress. I was wondering if it would be possible to add a link to the Potato Moon section that acknowledges which fanfic the round robin is satirizing. The entry now only refers to Potato Moon, but it doesn't specify which announcement the round robin is satirizing. The only link listed is to Peter David's blog. Is this okay to do? Thanks."
IceCreamEmpress: "Thanks for your message. It seems to me that the entry has all the sourcing it needs at the moment, but of course if you would like the entry to read differently, you are always free to edit it; be assured that I have no feelings of ownership about it. Enjoy!"

Oh, and how is old PAD's circle jerk parody novel coming er, going? Well, it's up to, like, Part 20, but I haven't read it past the first chapter so I can't tell you whether it's any good.

And now, for funsies! Sybsy's now been namedropped in the Small Name Big Ego article on TVTropes.
Aaaaaand we now have the QUEEN of this trope for Twilight fandom: Lady Sybilla, whom no one had apparently ever even heard of before in the fandom before she became the writer (and attempted publisher) of "tribute sequel" Russet Noon, and convinced the entire internet is made up of one person with a grudge against her after the fandom at large and fandom_wank told her that her understanding of copyright was... flawed at best. She was banned from The Other Wiki after refusing to believe that her "highly controversial" unreleased fanfic wasn't notable enough and continually reinstated its article. Try to read the Russet Doom Saga in all its glory and not boggle.
And for a little added lubrication? Lady Sybilla Apologizes to Stephenie Meyer for Writing Russet Noon. Why yes, that IS another press release, fresh just today! I c&ped it here in case you don't want to contribute to her page views (and she'll probably take it down again as soon as she has another change of universal mind anyway). She's also updated her Twitter for the first time since April as well.

I just returned from a nine-day trip, so I'm playing a bit of catch-up with my supplementary links list and link hub/screencap guide; I appreciate your patience. And you know what else I appreciate? When I got home this morning, you will never guess what I found waiting for me in my mail box. Except that you totally will.

It was lip gloss.

ETA: So I clicked a link back to the Russet Noon site, and found myself in a time warp. It seems Sybilla's reverted to her original format after so long. But before you start thinking she just fuxxored the files, check out the links at the top. She links to: her own Twitter, Comic Mix, Google News, Foforks, Wordpress, her own Myspace, IMDB, Wikipedia, the Wall Street Journal, Twilight Blips, FanHistory, Fanpop, the Small Name Big Ego TvTropes article, Amazon forums, the reupload of her reading the preface on tinypic, Buzznet, ONTD, Fandom Wank, the Twilight Lexicon, and Edward Heart Bella.

Screencaps forthcoming here (thanks ari_o).

Also we may have missed another in-between site version. Did anyone catch a screencap?) You can view the last edit to the Russet Noon site before this latest revamp here, where she had added the "temporary model" for Russet Noon's new cover art.
Below is a temporary model of the new Russet Noon cover image that Charli will be recreating. The copyright information for the artist of this talisman is currently unknown. Hopefully the efficient fandomwankers will help us track down the artist who originally created this talisman so we can give them credit. This is just a sample image of what the final design will look like.
She wants us to do her homework for her. Great.

ETA 2: I'm reasonably certain the Russet_noon twitterer is taking the piss. I quite like the blend of Snacky's and Godwin's Law lobbed our way.

ETA 3: FanHistory has given Lady Sybilla a space to speak her point of view. It's... uhmazing.

ETA 4: She took out her link to the Twilight Lexicon and added a new one to this article from RelateMag.com, which spells the title of the book Russet Moon. Still, I prefer this version of the RelateMag article:
There’s a ‘new’ Twilight words that is dated people to charge alarming waves across the the public. Sure you’ve irrefutably impute to a fraction of fanfiction stories that takes the Twilight psycho we fondness and puts them in bizarre scenes, rewrites parts of the books, adds scenes prospect to be missing. The words is all fustian up to Jacob and what happens after Breaking Dawn. But Lady Sybilla has written an uninjured words entitled Russet Moon and she’s flourishing to advertise it. Some people improvise it is flourishing to be smashing addict fiction. Others imagine it is unconditionally miscarry. To affect the dip on the words button the website.
It's like it went through Babel Fish and crawled back out again, weeping bitterly about its lost messages and implications.


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(Anonymous)
2009-05-10 05:59 pm UTC (link)
Having a proper look at the letter, there are so many faults with it, it's hard to know where to begin.

The language is simplistic, almost childish.

The internet can’t have people all over it. It's a digital construct, not country.

I want to assure you that my only intention was to pay tribute to you and your story by turning Jacob into a superhero.

Whoa! And the Back-handed Compliment Award goes to...

I think Jacob is already a super hero. He's brave and courageous (hero) and he can change shape and heal abnormally fast (super). I'm willing to bet SMeyer feels the same.

I know I had no right to do this, no matter how much I loved your characters.

So she doesn’t love them any more? The way this reads to me is ‘I did like SMeyer's writing but her ending put me off’ OR, the fan reaction, protecting SMeyer and her characters did.

By this means,

What? Speak English woman!

I want to ask if you would please allow me to publish Russet Noon as a paperback.

‘I'm sorry I weally and twooly am, but I’d still like to carry on, k?’

I assure you that I will only print 50 copies to give away to people for free. I will cover all publication costs and will never try to sell it. Let this letter attest to that.

Why does she need printed copies? Why can’t she print it in word and bind it herself and give it to friend and family. This request is very odd. She either desperately wants a book with her name on the cover, or she hopes the demand will be so great once these copies go out that the sequel will just HAVE to be published properly.

What happened to releasing it on the net like the rest of the fanfic authors out there?

However, if you prefer for me to shut down the project altogether, I will understand your position. It is your story, and they are your characters. If you ask me to shut it down, I will do so immediately. All I want to do at this point is make things right.

Is this a competition to see how many different ways she can state the same thing?

Respectfully,
Glorianna Arias


Respectfully? RESPECTFULLY? Not only has she shown no respect at all, the correct way to finish a letter to a named person is Yours sincerely. To a Sir or Madam it's Yours faithfully, between acquaintances/business associates a new trend is Kind regards but it is never ever ever Respectfully.

Founder, AV Paranormal Publishing
Phone: (Omitted)


Yeah, include the phone number 'cos you are SO gonna get a call. NOT!

Sad, petty, poorly educated, delusional idiot.

It’s a sad day when a dyslexic (who still can’t tell the difference between a verb and a adjective, though not for want of trying) can pick your letter writing skills to pieces.

CatChester

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[info]trollprincess
2009-05-10 06:07 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, include the phone number 'cos you are SO gonna get a call. NOT!

The longer she goes on about this, the more I start to think it's some overly complicated ploy to attempt to get to talk to SMeyer.

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(Anonymous)
2009-05-11 12:23 am UTC (link)
Then someone needs to tell her to go to a convention already.

CatChester

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(Anonymous)
2009-05-11 01:23 am UTC (link)
The longer she goes on about this, the more I start to think it's some overly complicated ploy to attempt to get to talk to SMeyer.

Okay, maybe I've been watching too many of those E! True Hollywood Stories about stalkers and Hollywood murders this weekend, but I thought about that possibility, too. And if this IS a ploy to get Smeyer to talk to her......I'd be a little weirded out by that, if I were Meyer. S'all I'm saying. lol

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Wait, what?
[info]tofuknight
2009-05-10 08:09 pm UTC (link)
I thought that Lady Sybsy was going to publish it online? For no charge? Like a normal person? Whatever happened to that idea?

Not that I think SMeyer will notice all the errors in the letter, being the stunning paragon of Enlgish skillz she is...

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Re: Wait, what?
[info]jujubee
2009-05-10 09:25 pm UTC (link)
I think she gave up on that idea almost before she conceived of it. She certainly pretends like she never mentioned it.

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Re: Wait, what?
(Anonymous)
2009-05-11 01:29 am UTC (link)
I think she believes that if the fanfic is in book form, it makes it seem more legitimate. Newsflash: It's still fanfiction, whether it's in book form or not.

Ooooooo, or maybe she thinks that if she has it in book form and gives it to a bunch of people, it'll, like, survive through the ages, and someone, somewhere, a hundred years from now, will see what a little gem it is and publish it, and she'll finally have achieved the infamy that she so desperately craves. And she'll have the last laugh, too. Even though none of us will be here to see it. lol

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[info]sisterelwood
2009-05-10 08:46 pm UTC (link)
Now I know why my law professor would always ended his e-mail replies to me with 'Kind regards.' I was a little confused.

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[info]urpletastic
2009-05-10 10:28 pm UTC (link)
Why can’t she print it in word and bind it herself and give it to friend and family?

No friends, that's why.

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[info]rennyn_alerothi
2009-05-10 11:46 pm UTC (link)
Why does she need printed copies? Why can’t she print it in word and bind it herself and give it to friend and family. This request is very odd. She either desperately wants a book with her name on the cover, or she hopes the demand will be so great once these copies go out that the sequel will just HAVE to be published properly.

The latter, I think. "But once it's properly published and gets out into the public, people will realize what a really really great writer I am, and Stephanie and I will become my bff and declare all my work in canon!" This is what I think is probably going through her head.

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(Anonymous)
2009-05-11 12:21 am UTC (link)
Yes, i fear i must agree with you.

I almost want to read this thing now. I think it's going to be the biggest laugh since 'unicorn' became a twific metaphore for orgasm.

CatChester

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(Anonymous)
2009-05-11 01:30 am UTC (link)
I think it's going to be the biggest laugh since 'unicorn' became a twific metaphore for orgasm.

Wait, WHAT!?

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[info]platedlizard
2009-05-11 02:15 am UTC (link)
Hand to God, unicorns.

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[info]catchester
2009-05-11 02:44 am UTC (link)
I know *pats head*

Try not to think about it and it wont hurt quite so much. Plus, the risk of your head esplodin will be greaty reduced, too!

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[info]mochibuni
2009-05-11 06:18 am UTC (link)
I love unicorns that much more because of that fic!

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(Anonymous)
2009-05-11 09:13 am UTC (link)
I prefer my unicorns to be of the Twelve Kingdoms variety... those just make my head asplody.

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[info]dragonfangirl
2009-05-10 11:51 pm UTC (link)
the correct way to finish a letter to a named person is Yours sincerely. To a Sir or Madam it's Yours faithfully, between acquaintances/business associates a new trend is Kind regards but it is never ever ever Respectfully.

Really? I never knew that. Where are these rules transcribed? I admit I always feel awkward when finishing letters.

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(Anonymous)
2009-05-11 12:17 am UTC (link)
I learnt them in school (except the kind regards bit, thats recent) but i'm sure a google search would bring the correct letter writing etiquete up.

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[info]kookaburra
2009-05-11 08:28 am UTC (link)
Miss Manners says, "Yours Very Truly" for Very Serious Business.

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(Anonymous)
2009-05-11 12:05 am UTC (link)
Thank you for pointing that out. It's been driving me crazy that the woman has the gall to brag about having an MA in English when her writing is on the worse side of intolerable. How you express yourself in everyday communication is very telling about your skills of expressing yourself in fiction, and she cannot write worth a damn.

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[info]catchester
2009-05-11 01:08 am UTC (link)
I agree, all her press releases are awful. Trouble is, while i can usually tell you whats wrong and how i would correct it, i cant usually say why. The technicalities of languge go way over my head, I just know what sounds right or wrong.

Letters, however, i did learn and for some reason, actually remember!

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[info]keri
2009-05-11 02:55 am UTC (link)
If you're interested in learning the "why," I highly recommend English 3200 (amazon link if you wanna see it - it's the most advanced in a series of three). It's amazingly easy because it's repetitive but clear. I thought I had a really good knowledge of English grammar (and I did quite well on the pretest for the book in the class it was assigned), but I still learned a lot of persnickety things as well as the "why" from the book. It breaks grammar lessons into really tiny bits and maintains the same pattern to the lessons so that they stick in your brain.

The format is pretty nice, too. Each page is divided into 6 sections (alternate sections are shaded) and you work front to back, staying in the same section of each page until you get to the very back of the book. Then you go back to the beginning and start on the next row. It's kind of like flash cards, because you get just one bit of the lesson on each page and if it's an exercise, the answer with an explanation is on the next, right before the new bit. So the first frame is
A sentence is a group of words that gives us a sense of completeness.
  1. The barking dog
  2. The dog is barking.
Which group of words is a sentence -- 1 or 2? ____

Then you turn the page and to the left of the frame is the answer (b) while the main part is
The dog is barking.
This group of words is a sentence because it gives us a sense of (completeness, incompleteness).

The next page has the answer to the left, repeats the sentence and follows through "This group of words gives us a sense of completeness because..." and then turns that statement into another exercise.

The first section is pretty simplistic, but it's mainly to set up the format and get you used to it. The book quickly moves to subjects like tricky adverbs, semi-colons and comma splices, verb tenses and agreement, and so on - all useful things for writers to know, but which are easy to be lax about or just never have been taught.


But! When I started to comment, I didn't mean to go into a long post about my favorite grammar book or try to show how it works. I just wanted to say that the puppy in your icon is crazy adorable! (and then I actually read your comment and went "OH!")

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[info]catchester
2009-05-11 03:09 am UTC (link)
The pup is cute, isnt he!

Thanks for the tip. It isnt actually for want of trying that i find language hard. I went to a good school, had extra english lessons in my lunch hours there, had private tuition over the holidays and my family are very knowledgeable on all things language.

My brain just doesnt do language.

But in a few years i'll probably have another stab at it.

In the mean time, when someone gives me a hard time i tell them i'll learn to spell etc when they can tell me what E=MC2 means, not just what the letters stand for. In 10 years, no one has ever taken me up on the challenge.

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[info]irised
2009-05-11 10:30 am UTC (link)
Oooh! I might buy that! I usually know (almost) exactly how sentances should go so they're right, but I'm buggered if I can explain it very well XD I just "know". I can barely remember what an adjective is (or what day it is, to be fair). Thanks for the rec! :D

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[info]honorh
2009-05-11 03:01 am UTC (link)
I think the puppy in your icon is saying, "lol internets!"

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