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Wank: The Final Frontier
As those of you who haven't been living under a rock may know, a new Star Trek movie just came out. Over on fanficrants, roq is upset about this. Apparently, TEENAGERS are now WRITING in HER fandom! Quelle suprise!

She has some choice words to say about it.

The highlights of the rant include:

Star Trek is the second oldest fandom in existence...

Because of this, I honestly don't think you can bring a new idea to the fandom. We've seen it all before, really...So that extraspiffy idea you have? We've probably seen it. What this means is that you'll need more than a gimick to keep our attention. You will need to write well. I'm not asking for Tolstoy but basic sentence structure is nice and maybe a plot or at least good characterization.

There's no such thing as an original idea? She must be right, because even that idea sounds familiar...

Two. Do not talk to me about cannon. Do not come over to my happy little ship and whine that K/S is not cannon because Spock and Uhura have a relationship. You may not be familiar with Trekkies. We are not like the Harry Potter fandom.

Guys, I think we've been told. I dunno why we're talking to her about armoury, but w/e. We are not ALLOWEd to write fanfiction within her ship unless we pass STRINGENT STANDARDS.

Also? K/S has never been cannon and probably never will. You know what? We don't care. It's fanfiction. We're changing the world just enough that K/S happens. That's it. If you have a problem with it, don't fucking read it. Go over to S/U and be happy.

The rant goes on in this vein for a while. And then there's the comments.

At first the comments at the community are overwhelmingly supportive and generally non-combative.

But then someone's fannish entitlement alarm goes off, and the shit hits the fan:

kuromitsu starts: Remember, children, this fandom has been around since before you were born. You must follow all of its ancient conventions, must strive to gain the respect of older members, and most importantly you must. not. have. fun with it your own way lest the older fans not like it.

Fandom = serious business, damn it! God forbid you enjoy yourself!

helen_damnation responds: Thank you. I was starting to think I was the only person annoyed by all the "thou shalt not"s.

I haven't seen the movie yet, though I intend to. I don't intend to watch the series. Know why? Because I don't want to. I want to watch the movie. I might write fic for the movie, I don't know yet. That's my right. I'm also very fond of portmanteaus. That's also my right.

Take your own advice and get over it.

It's all downhill from there.

Some choice bits include a "DAMN KIDS GET OFF MY LAWN!" quote, some accusations that the Star Trek fandom is the angriest and wankiest of all fandoms, some people pointing out how canon is spelt, an indignant Harry Potter fan, and a question on apropriate newbie etiquette.

And it's still going.

This one looks GOOD. I think I've already made Bingo.

ETA: Collateral damage wank on ffrantsrants located here.

Also, links are corrected now. Server is being robust, though, so steady on, folks.

ETA2: roq bites back. Apparently he is a he.

Also:

So, according to the people over at fanfic rants, I'm an arrogant, condescending, hypocritical asshole with a stick up my ass.

Good to know.

Wow, you'd think I wasn't dealing with a rant community or something. Oh, wait.

RANTING COMMUNITIES ARE FOR RANTING! Also, I've forgotten to assume that everyone on the internet has a penis. My inability to remain stuck in the early 90's means that I don't understand a lot of what roq says.

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	(Anonymous) 2009-05-19 10:13 am UTC (link)
	Links to something -- the wiki article, the wank reports, the newspaper articles about a suicide found a week later because of a howling dog (that one alone *had* to make the legitimate press) -- or it didn't happen. In light of the coverage on the MySpace Hoax verdict alone yesterday, news services would be on a similar story in a heartbeat. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

(Anonymous)
2009-05-19 01:14 pm UTC (link)

I keep reading this comment, and it blows my mind. There are an average of 89 suicides every day, one every 16 minutes. Most of them are men in their twenties, like my friend.

None of them make the news. Why would you think his would? Because his neighbors were alerted by his dog? That's not really newsworthy. It's just sad. If he shot up the neighborhood first, that would have made news. But he wasn't that kind of guy.

If his parents went to the media and blamed you, then it would be in the news I'm sure. But they aren't going to do that, because that not what most parents do when they lose their only son.

I don't know why I posted this. I'm just so angry, and I feel so powerless, and I don't understand why you all think it's so funny to single people out for mockery. I don't understand what's wrong with you that you find the need to do that, to take pleasure in other people's suffering or difference or oddity.

I thought maybe if someone said something, it might provoke discussion about the purpose of this site. I thought maybe you just didn't know that what you are doing is cruel and has consequences. But no, you just want me to give up his name, prove to you it happened, because apparently it's very common for people to tell you that your enjoyment of abusing others has lead to someone's death. So common that you don't believe it.

I wonder, have all the previous reports of suicide been proven fake? Were they proven fake by the same weird metric, by the lack of news coverage of something that news almost never covers?

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	phosfate 2009-05-19 01:43 pm UTC (link)
	You are not interested in discussion at all. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

(Anonymous)
2009-05-19 02:08 pm UTC (link)

No, I'm not. I'm not interested in listening to you all explain how it's not your fault that the people you single out for humiliation and mockery get their feelings hurt. That's not a discussion, that's you making excuses for yourself. Frankly, that just make me feel a bit of disgust regarding you.

I'm here because my friend is dead and you need to know that, but since I won't give you his name, the issue is moot. You won't change, you won't even pause to think about what you're doing. Identifying him won't change that.

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	phosfate 2009-05-19 02:11 pm UTC (link)
	An internet anon is disgusted with me for questioning his story and reasoning? I can totally live with that. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	(Anonymous) 2009-05-19 02:26 pm UTC (link)
	No, she is disgusted by your facile attempts to dismiss any consideration of what effect participating in mass public mockery might have on your victims. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	phosfate 2009-05-19 02:27 pm UTC (link)
	Tell us more about how women are evil. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	mister_terrific 2009-05-19 03:21 pm UTC (link)
	Oh, they are, they are! I know one woman who tricked me into marrying her, and then to keep her grubby claws in me she made me have a baby with her! Of course, it has been twenty-four years in two weeks, so I guess I could have found a way to stop her had I really wanted to... (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	phosfate 2009-05-19 03:23 pm UTC (link)
	I've seen her. The way she's, like, nice to you? And enjoys your company? And the bonding? She's a harpy. A HARPY! (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	mister_terrific 2009-05-19 03:37 pm UTC (link)
	She's only nice to me so long as I keep writing her Eureka fic... (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	kamiki_seto 2009-05-19 09:21 pm UTC (link)
	Not true! You get snuggles whenever you want them. And backrubs. I'm a sweetie, really! Now get back to writing about Jack's bone marrow transplant, biatch, while I go out to find if there's more Jack/Nathan/Allison threesies fic in the wild and hot steamy fanfic jungle that is Jack/Nathan.... (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	mister_terrific 2009-05-19 09:48 pm UTC (link)
	... Oh, right! You left early today! (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	kamiki_seto 2009-05-19 10:41 pm UTC (link)
	I love it when we meet like this. :-) (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	arekuru 2009-05-20 12:53 am UTC (link)
	That is, in an odd way, the sweetest thing I've seen all week. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	phosfate 2009-05-19 02:28 pm UTC (link)
	Also, perhaps you have some thoughts on Jews, Asians, and black people you'd care to share. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	mister_terrific 2009-05-19 03:19 pm UTC (link)
	You forgot yaoi. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	serai 2009-05-19 10:11 pm UTC (link)
	And raspberries. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	ajatshatru 2009-05-20 06:16 am UTC (link)
	You missed some epithets (Reply to this)(Parent)

	(Anonymous) 2009-05-19 10:09 pm UTC (link)
	No, she* is disgusted* Yeah, that was pretty obvious. (Reply to this)(Parent)

(Anonymous)
2009-05-19 07:55 pm UTC (link)

>the people you single out for humiliation and mockery get their feelings hurt.

It's a comm about mockery, people come here to mock and to be mocked. Did your friend actually think people were going to be nice as they laughed at whatever wank he caused? BTW: If you are that butthurt, before you leave f_w be sure to fill out the form below telling us about how butthurt you really are, but don't forget to add that you and your "friend" have brought it on yourselves.

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	(Anonymous) 2009-05-19 07:59 pm UTC (link)
	Am feeling kind of butthurt because my link didn't work: http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/426/butthurtform.jpg (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	tetradecimal 2009-05-20 01:39 am UTC (link)
	Delightful ♥ (Reply to this)(Parent)

	platedlizard 2009-05-20 02:13 am UTC (link)
	No, they worked, hyperlinks and images are disabled for anons. Blame the bots. (Reply to this)(Parent)

serai
2009-05-19 10:08 pm UTC (link)

But no, you just want me to give up his name, prove to you it happened, because apparently it's very common for people to tell you that your enjoyment of abusing others has lead to someone's death. So common that you don't believe it.

Oh, you ARE an internet n00bie, aren't you? Pseuicide is not just an FW phenomenon - it happens in chat rooms, message boards, forums, and blogs ALL OVER. It's up there with "my cousin hijacked my blog and posted nasty crap not my fault kthxbi!" for ubiquitousness to the point of inanity.

Really, if you're going to troll trying to do damage, at least have the wherewithal to do a little research first. Because right now, YOU are just sad.

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	reeve 2009-05-20 02:07 pm UTC (link)
	Pseuicide is not just an FW phenomenon - it happens in chat rooms, message boards, forums, and blogs ALL OVER. I think this is the first pseuicide that has occurred on FW itself. Usually we just report on pseuicides that happen at other places. (Reply to this)(Parent)

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