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fern_on_fen ([info]fern_on_fen) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2009-05-17 13:28:00


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Entry tags:baleetion, bannination, community: fanficrants, dead gay headmaster, fandom: star trek, fanfic, isn't it awfully nice to have a penis, misogyny soup, outraged mice, penis, persecution, plucky girl detective, pseuicide, rape is not funny, sci-fi people like to fight, sexism, social experiment, troll, wankers who will not shut up, wanking inside the house, you're all assholes

Wank: The Final Frontier
As those of you who haven't been living under a rock may know, a new Star Trek movie just came out. Over on [info]fanficrants, [info]roq is upset about this. Apparently, TEENAGERS are now WRITING in HER fandom! Quelle suprise!

She has some choice words to say about it.



The highlights of the rant include:

Star Trek is the second oldest fandom in existence...

Because of this, I honestly don't think you can bring a new idea to the fandom. We've seen it all before, really...So that extraspiffy idea you have? We've probably seen it. What this means is that you'll need more than a gimick to keep our attention. You will need to write well. I'm not asking for Tolstoy but basic sentence structure is nice and maybe a plot or at least good characterization.


There's no such thing as an original idea? She must be right, because even that idea sounds familiar...

Two. Do not talk to me about cannon. Do not come over to my happy little ship and whine that K/S is not cannon because Spock and Uhura have a relationship. You may not be familiar with Trekkies. We are not like the Harry Potter fandom.

Guys, I think we've been told. I dunno why we're talking to her about armoury, but w/e. We are not ALLOWEd to write fanfiction within her ship unless we pass STRINGENT STANDARDS.

Also? K/S has never been cannon and probably never will. You know what? We don't care. It's fanfiction. We're changing the world just enough that K/S happens. That's it. If you have a problem with it, don't fucking read it. Go over to S/U and be happy.

The rant goes on in this vein for a while. And then there's the comments.

At first the comments at the community are overwhelmingly supportive and generally non-combative.

But then someone's fannish entitlement alarm goes off, and the shit hits the fan:

[info]kuromitsu starts: Remember, children, this fandom has been around since before you were born. You must follow all of its ancient conventions, must strive to gain the respect of older members, and most importantly you must. not. have. fun with it your own way lest the older fans not like it.

Fandom = serious business, damn it! God forbid you enjoy yourself!


[info]helen_damnation responds: Thank you. I was starting to think I was the only person annoyed by all the "thou shalt not"s.

I haven't seen the movie yet, though I intend to. I don't intend to watch the series. Know why? Because I don't want to. I want to watch the movie. I might write fic for the movie, I don't know yet. That's my right. I'm also very fond of portmanteaus. That's also my right.

Take your own advice and get over it.


It's all downhill from there.

Some choice bits include a "DAMN KIDS GET OFF MY LAWN!" quote, some accusations that the Star Trek fandom is the angriest and wankiest of all fandoms, some people pointing out how canon is spelt, an indignant Harry Potter fan, and a question on apropriate newbie etiquette.

And it's still going.

This one looks GOOD. I think I've already made Bingo.

ETA: Collateral damage wank on ffrantsrants located here.

Also, links are corrected now. Server is being robust, though, so steady on, folks.

ETA2: [info]roq bites back. Apparently he is a he.

Also:

So, according to the people over at fanfic rants, I'm an arrogant, condescending, hypocritical asshole with a stick up my ass.

Good to know.

Wow, you'd think I wasn't dealing with a rant community or something. Oh, wait.


RANTING COMMUNITIES ARE FOR RANTING! Also, I've forgotten to assume that everyone on the internet has a penis. My inability to remain stuck in the early 90's means that I don't understand a lot of what [info]roq says.



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Sorry for the serious rant all...
[info]dragonsong12
2009-05-19 01:16 pm UTC (link)
Okay, honestly? I call troll.
As one of the mods posted, F_W has rules, and they are pretty strictly enforced (look a couple of threads up for a fine example of modly prowess). We're not ED, we're not 4chan, and we're not stupid_free, we're just here to point and laugh at stuff that is legitimately stupid from our own little clubhouse.
The fact that you come here with this story about how the MEAN KIDS WERE MEAN AND THEN YOUR FRIEND DIED to make us out to be the villains fills me with rage because your refusal to provide links just make you (yes you, not us) come off as a arrogant asshat using a very tragic story to get attention.
I read through the F_W wiki and posts for months before getting an account and saw none of what you're talking about.

"You people single out hurt and damaged individuals for mockery and ridicule. I read through these forums and I see nothing but hatred, self-importance, self-righteousness and a callous disregard for others.

Bullshit.
Have you really read any of it? The majority of those posted on F_W are self-important arrogant assholes. Not frail little woobies. Why would we waste our time on Lady Syb, after all, when we can hunt down sad kids and drive them to suicide.
Suicide is a horrible thing, but I'm going to guess that there was more going on there than some mean kids on the internet. Get your priorities in order.

Sorry all, I'll clean up after myself. I just have very strong feelings when it comes to suicide and it's sickening to me that this person would use it this way.

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Re: Sorry for the serious rant all...
[info]major_dallas
2009-05-19 01:36 pm UTC (link)
Totally understandable...

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Re: Sorry for the serious rant all...
(Anonymous)
2009-05-19 01:41 pm UTC (link)
"Have you really read any of it? The majority of those posting on F_W are self-important arrogant assholes."

Fixed that for you.

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Re: Sorry for the serious rant all...
[info]panthea
2009-05-19 01:45 pm UTC (link)
Yes, your level of discourse really impresses upon us the legitimacy of your claims.

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Re: Sorry for the serious rant all...
[info]dragonsong12
2009-05-19 01:54 pm UTC (link)
haha! Wow!
Wait, let me get this straight -
After what I just said in all seriousness (suicide is serious business...not even misspelled, it just is) this is your grand master comeback to put me in my place? This is how you prove to me that I'm wrong and you're really right and tragic and misunderstood?
seriously?

And that, ladies and gentlemen, crosses the 'T' in TROLL.

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Re: Sorry for the serious rant all...
(Anonymous)
2009-05-19 02:04 pm UTC (link)
"After what I just said in all seriousness..."

What you just said "in all seriousness" is that I'm a troll and that being asked to think about the consequences of your actions fills you with rage. Sorry, I didn't think you were being serious. I thought you were being defensive and insulting.

I'm not trying to prove I'm right. That ship sailed. Clearly unless I give you his death certificate most of you will choose not to believe me.

I don't even know why I'm talking to you. I'm just getting angry at being called a liar because I won't offer my friend up so you can resume kicking him.

Its incredibly clear that none of you really care if you are hurting people, and in retrospect I should have known that coming in. You wouldn't be here at all if you were a generally compassionate person. Compassionate people don't entertain themselves by mocking others.

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Re: Sorry for the serious rant all...
[info]snacky
2009-05-19 02:29 pm UTC (link)
Clearly unless I give you his death certificate most of you will choose not to believe me.

Actually any link to any wank or wiki entry where he was proclaimed a rapist and a child molester will do just fine.

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Re: Sorry for the serious rant all...
[info]dragonsong12
2009-05-19 02:49 pm UTC (link)
I'm not trying to prove I'm right. That ship sailed.

That ship was never even at the dock.

Hm...I've typed up two very long and very angry replies to address your issues...but deleted them. I think I let this get a little too personal, and I've never been the most eloquent debater to begin with. Your post smacked of someone using suicide to get attention and that was rage-inducing.
I'm still angry about it, but I'll let it be.

...that being said, I'll never apologize for mocking people like Lady Syb. I don't see anything wrong with calling someone on their crazy (and illegal) BS.

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Re: Sorry for the serious rant all...
[info]lissibith
2009-05-19 02:56 pm UTC (link)
Personally, I just *hope* you're a troll.

Because you're in here using this story not to try to change anything, but to either bait people or just to vent and try to ease your anger by lashing out and IMO abusing your friend's memory to do it. As someone who's lost people she cares about to suicide, it really really sickens me that someone would use suicide in the way you are - as a tool to try to cause pain in others.

It also makes me so angry that someone would trot out the old "if the mean girls weren't so mean, it wouldn't have happened" to cover up that the person had problems and NEEDED HELP. Real or fake, that just lessens a very serious problem and is just one more blow against people who need that help being willing to seek it out themselves or listen to the advice of friends who suggest it.

I'm taking this seriously because whether or not your story is true, suicide IS serious. It's so serious I cannot believe someone would so demean it. So given the choice between just baiting people and the alternative... I really do hope you're a troll

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Re: Sorry for the serious rant all...
[info]ariadne484
2009-05-19 05:10 pm UTC (link)
Well said indeed, and I'm really sorry for your losses.

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Re: Sorry for the serious rant all...
[info]cyndra_falin
2009-05-19 10:22 pm UTC (link)
Clearly unless I give you his death certificate most of you will choose not to believe me

Why should we? You still have yet to provide ANY evidence to prove your claims. You have been told many times what you can do and you refuse. You are just an attention whore, with a great imagination and using an omg so tragic story about your "friend" who died.

I don't even know why I'm talking to you.

We don't know either. There is the door. Use it. Trust me. We will forget you existed soon enough.

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Re: Sorry for the serious rant all...
[info]sisterelwood
2009-05-19 10:57 pm UTC (link)
I'm not trying to prove I'm right.

Oh no. If you were trying to do that then you wouldn't keep replying to us with the same comments over an over instead of offering something tangible to back up your claims. You wouldn't flaunt around a tragedy that affects thousands of people every year just to prove you're right.

Oh, wait...

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Re: Sorry for the serious rant all...
[info]thoms
2009-05-20 02:50 am UTC (link)
You wouldn't be here at all if you were a generally compassionate person.

Oh, screw you. You don't know thing one about me and what I do when I'm not on my computer to be able to make such a judgement of me or anyone else who posts here.

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Re: Sorry for the serious rant all...
[info]sisterelwood
2009-05-20 04:04 am UTC (link)
Amen.

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Re: Sorry for the serious rant all...
[info]thoms
2009-05-20 02:59 pm UTC (link)
Thanks.

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Re: Sorry for the serious rant all...
[info]finchbird
2009-05-20 05:50 am UTC (link)
Thank you so much.

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Re: Sorry for the serious rant all...
[info]thoms
2009-05-20 02:59 pm UTC (link)
You're welcome.

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Re: Sorry for the serious rant all...
[info]bride_of_lister
2009-05-19 02:16 pm UTC (link)
You just went from someone who can't name a JFcomm properly to someone who used a 4chan meme with ease. Hmm.

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Re: Sorry for the serious rant all...
(Anonymous)
2009-05-19 02:42 pm UTC (link)
A what meme?

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Transparent troll is transparent.
[info]acrimonious
2009-05-19 03:44 pm UTC (link)
LOL WAT

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Re: Sorry for the serious rant all...
[info]mister_terrific
2009-05-19 03:22 pm UTC (link)
And your point is?

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Re: Sorry for the serious rant all...
[info]ariadne484
2009-05-19 02:39 pm UTC (link)
I'm over here applauding. I was about to write a similar rant but yours is shorter and better. This is why pseuicides are infuriating, why it's absolutely disgusting to concoct a fake death in the service of guilting people when real ones actually do happen.

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