Log In

Home
    - Create Journal
    - Update
    - Download

LiveJournal
    - News
    - Paid Accounts
    - Contributors

Customize
    - Customize Journal
    - Create Style
    - Edit Style

Find Users
    - Random!
    - By Region
    - By Interest
    - Search

Edit ...
    - Personal Info &
      Settings
    - Your Friends
    - Old Entries
    - Your Pictures
    - Your Password

Developer Area

Need Help?
    - Lost Password?
    - Freq. Asked
      Questions
    - Support Area



fern_on_fen ([info]fern_on_fen) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2009-05-17 13:28:00


Previous Entry  Add to memories!  Tell a Friend!  Next Entry
Entry tags:baleetion, bannination, community: fanficrants, dead gay headmaster, fandom: star trek, fanfic, isn't it awfully nice to have a penis, misogyny soup, outraged mice, penis, persecution, plucky girl detective, pseuicide, rape is not funny, sci-fi people like to fight, sexism, social experiment, troll, wankers who will not shut up, wanking inside the house, you're all assholes

Wank: The Final Frontier
As those of you who haven't been living under a rock may know, a new Star Trek movie just came out. Over on [info]fanficrants, [info]roq is upset about this. Apparently, TEENAGERS are now WRITING in HER fandom! Quelle suprise!

She has some choice words to say about it.



The highlights of the rant include:

Star Trek is the second oldest fandom in existence...

Because of this, I honestly don't think you can bring a new idea to the fandom. We've seen it all before, really...So that extraspiffy idea you have? We've probably seen it. What this means is that you'll need more than a gimick to keep our attention. You will need to write well. I'm not asking for Tolstoy but basic sentence structure is nice and maybe a plot or at least good characterization.


There's no such thing as an original idea? She must be right, because even that idea sounds familiar...

Two. Do not talk to me about cannon. Do not come over to my happy little ship and whine that K/S is not cannon because Spock and Uhura have a relationship. You may not be familiar with Trekkies. We are not like the Harry Potter fandom.

Guys, I think we've been told. I dunno why we're talking to her about armoury, but w/e. We are not ALLOWEd to write fanfiction within her ship unless we pass STRINGENT STANDARDS.

Also? K/S has never been cannon and probably never will. You know what? We don't care. It's fanfiction. We're changing the world just enough that K/S happens. That's it. If you have a problem with it, don't fucking read it. Go over to S/U and be happy.

The rant goes on in this vein for a while. And then there's the comments.

At first the comments at the community are overwhelmingly supportive and generally non-combative.

But then someone's fannish entitlement alarm goes off, and the shit hits the fan:

[info]kuromitsu starts: Remember, children, this fandom has been around since before you were born. You must follow all of its ancient conventions, must strive to gain the respect of older members, and most importantly you must. not. have. fun with it your own way lest the older fans not like it.

Fandom = serious business, damn it! God forbid you enjoy yourself!


[info]helen_damnation responds: Thank you. I was starting to think I was the only person annoyed by all the "thou shalt not"s.

I haven't seen the movie yet, though I intend to. I don't intend to watch the series. Know why? Because I don't want to. I want to watch the movie. I might write fic for the movie, I don't know yet. That's my right. I'm also very fond of portmanteaus. That's also my right.

Take your own advice and get over it.


It's all downhill from there.

Some choice bits include a "DAMN KIDS GET OFF MY LAWN!" quote, some accusations that the Star Trek fandom is the angriest and wankiest of all fandoms, some people pointing out how canon is spelt, an indignant Harry Potter fan, and a question on apropriate newbie etiquette.

And it's still going.

This one looks GOOD. I think I've already made Bingo.

ETA: Collateral damage wank on ffrantsrants located here.

Also, links are corrected now. Server is being robust, though, so steady on, folks.

ETA2: [info]roq bites back. Apparently he is a he.

Also:

So, according to the people over at fanfic rants, I'm an arrogant, condescending, hypocritical asshole with a stick up my ass.

Good to know.

Wow, you'd think I wasn't dealing with a rant community or something. Oh, wait.


RANTING COMMUNITIES ARE FOR RANTING! Also, I've forgotten to assume that everyone on the internet has a penis. My inability to remain stuck in the early 90's means that I don't understand a lot of what [info]roq says.



(Read comments) - (Post a new comment)


[info]bride_of_lister
2009-05-19 01:55 pm UTC (link)
I'm pretty much in the elaborate troll category but maybe pooling the titbits of info someone might ping.
Alright. What do we know about our probably non-existent WankaX?

-A male
-Involved with F_W + Stupid_Free over 3 years ago.
-Apparently has an extremely negative article on the F_W wiki
-Called a racist and a child molester somewhere on the FW comm.
-''Sometimes it was off-putting, especially his theories about why people do bad things, which is why you all attacked him.''
-Fake gravestone on his ED page that has identical text to the Fwiki page. (He died for our lulz)
-Has deleted his own journal and has been outed from two sockpuppets

I think I'm missing a post about a childfree woman and his feeling on that but on my netbook I really can't hope to do this properly.

(Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)


[info]sepiamagpie
2009-05-19 02:00 pm UTC (link)
Only male with sockpuppets was Thornstar(I think). Never called racist or child molester, as far as I recall.

(Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)


[info]bride_of_lister
2009-05-19 02:03 pm UTC (link)
That's what I was thinking. Just the male bit strikes out a lot of stuff and the details rule everything out.

It's either a very elaborate fiction or the wank is so lost to the depths of time it's near impossible to dredge up.

(Reply to this)(Parent)


(Anonymous)
2009-05-19 02:06 pm UTC (link)
*not the OP* Looking through the wiki I thought it might be Nicky the Goth (http://wiki.fandomwank.com/index.php/Nicky_the_Goth), though he's updated his blog within the last week and he seems to have enough, erm, followers that if he was dead I think it'd be coming up on a google search.

(Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)


[info]reeve
2009-05-19 02:13 pm UTC (link)
That, and he doesn't quite fit the profile. For one thing, I don't think anyone here's accused him of molesting anything other than the English language.

(Reply to this)(Parent)


[info]bride_of_lister
2009-05-19 02:23 pm UTC (link)
Yeah I tuned him up on a trawl through ED and FWiki but the apparently important tombstone image isn't there.

(Reply to this)(Parent)


[info]reeve
2009-05-19 02:11 pm UTC (link)
I'm more interested in the mouse's identity, personally. There's a hint of misogyny in their post; that could be our starting point.

(Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)


(Anonymous)
2009-05-19 02:14 pm UTC (link)
And they happened to turn up on a post about an angry Trekkie who's aware of being reported here and who seemed to really dislike being taken for a woman. Hmm.

(Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

(no subject) - [info]phosfate, 2009-05-19 03:12 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]lady_ganesh, 2009-05-19 06:56 pm UTC

[info]bride_of_lister
2009-05-19 02:16 pm UTC (link)
Yeah. It just keeps getting worse as he keeps talking. The was some talk about weird intelligent women breeding thing that might be there too.

(Reply to this)(Parent)


[info]bride_of_lister
2009-05-19 02:46 pm UTC (link)
Newsflash!

The anon is claiming to be female! http://www.journalfen.net/community/fandom_wank/1207878.html?thread=200510534#t200510534

(Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

(no subject) - [info]reeve, 2009-05-19 04:59 pm UTC

[info]tetradecimal
2009-05-19 02:23 pm UTC (link)
Ooh, it's a game!

I think the troll was railing about being called a rapist, not a racist. Although if we're going for racism, too, that'd just be triple word score.

(Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)


[info]bride_of_lister
2009-05-19 02:27 pm UTC (link)
Yeah! I haven't slept in 19 hours but I wanna play the new viral advertising campaign for being a total jerkface!

Err oops. ^^o My Eee PC's key board is not very forgiving to my inch long nails.

(Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

(no subject) - [info]tetradecimal, 2009-05-19 02:35 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]bride_of_lister, 2009-05-19 02:52 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]mister_terrific, 2009-05-19 03:41 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]tetradecimal, 2009-05-19 03:52 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]mister_terrific, 2009-05-19 03:55 pm UTC

[info]tetradecimal
2009-05-19 02:30 pm UTC (link)
I'll just take a wild guess here.

Lovecrafty? His E_D page mentions misogyny and stupids_free. He's got the tombstone. He's got an article on the wiki. And he sounds like a real charmer:

* Lovecrafty's thoughts on f_w:

Reading through the comments, it appears that most if not all of you are women. So then this is what? A gossipy little clusterfuck where you all get to wank each other off while displaying the sort of passive-aggressive cowardice that makes being a girl synomous with being a snippity hypocritical bitch behind people's backs? [1]

* Lovecrafty's thoughts on sex, rape, and evolution:

Females evolved pleasurable response to sex as a survival mechanism to deal with rape, much as males evolved the same to encourage it -- certainly long before humans ever arrived on the scene. [...] It's pretty ugly yes, but it's there. And if you don't understand that men (all men) have that drive to varying degrees, to just take and let the consequences sort themselves out, then you'll never understand why men can get so angry at women that they will beat them to death for not consenting to sexual relations. [2]

(Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)


[info]moljn
2009-05-19 02:37 pm UTC (link)
Isn't he the one with the icon of a brain in a jar that used to frequent scans_daily?

But yeah, pretty creepy guy.

(Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

(no subject) - [info]tetradecimal, 2009-05-19 02:43 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]hallidae, 2009-05-19 02:44 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]reeve, 2009-05-19 05:13 pm UTC
whoops, typo - [info]reeve, 2009-05-19 08:31 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]vzg, 2009-05-19 07:02 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]vzg, 2009-05-19 07:06 pm UTC

(Anonymous)
2009-05-19 02:42 pm UTC (link)
Pretty much fits on every score - I think you may have it. What a charming man.

-Rhube

(Reply to this)(Parent)


[info]sepiamagpie
2009-05-19 02:45 pm UTC (link)
By jove, I think you've got it.

(Reply to this)(Parent)


[info]hallidae
2009-05-19 02:46 pm UTC (link)
Now that I think about it, you've got a better candidate than I came up with. Isn't he active under a new name, though?

(Reply to this)(Parent)


[info]mockygogo
2009-05-19 02:46 pm UTC (link)
except... lovecrafty is not dead. The tombstone is for the dude's suspended accounts. Not for him.

If E_D knew he was dead, and a suicide, then the article would be tagged "an hero."

Which phrase, tellingly, has not come up at ALL in this. Interesting.

(Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

(no subject) - [info]bride_of_lister, 2009-05-19 02:53 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sisterelwood, 2009-05-19 05:07 pm UTC

[info]bride_of_lister
2009-05-19 02:48 pm UTC (link)
Gosh! That does sound just like the creepy wanker we've been talking to too.

(Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

(no subject) - [info]phosfate, 2009-05-19 02:52 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]bride_of_lister, 2009-05-19 02:56 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]vzg, 2009-05-19 07:08 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2009-05-19 08:43 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]lady_ganesh, 2009-05-19 07:04 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]phosfate, 2009-05-19 07:08 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]lady_ganesh, 2009-05-19 07:12 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]phosfate, 2009-05-19 07:15 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]lady_ganesh, 2009-05-19 07:23 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]tetradecimal, 2009-05-19 10:49 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]lady_ganesh, 2009-05-19 11:53 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]mockygogo, 2009-05-19 02:55 pm UTC
Lovecrafty, is that you?
[info]tetradecimal
2009-05-19 02:53 pm UTC (link)
And from this tribute video to him, you can totally see how he's a sweet, innocent guy who just happens to say things that might be misunderstood as completely insane.

He's just a poor li'l guy that was attacked for no reason. No reason, I tells ya!

(Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

Re: Lovecrafty, is that you? - [info]phosfate, 2009-05-19 02:58 pm UTC
Re: Lovecrafty, is that you? - [info]moljn, 2009-05-19 03:05 pm UTC

(Anonymous)
2009-05-19 03:19 pm UTC (link)
I can't say I disagree with his assessment of this forum.

And yes, you did it. I shouldn't have responded to any of this, I shouldn't have kept talking, because you figure out who I was talking about.

His name was Ken, and he wasn't a charmer. He was a weird guy, with a very active mind that was constantly popping out these crazy ideas. He would go off on these extended diatribes about weird semantic issues and hardly anyone could follow along, and sometimes he talked so fast I thought he was doing coke. But most of his crazy ideas were that sort of crazy that made you wonder if he knew something the rest of us don't, and he was a constantly entertaining guy.

That's the only part of him I see online, that crazy motormouth firing on all cylinders. I read the quotes page you have for him and it brought tears to my eyes I was laughing so hard.

Like the quote "The truth is a I read a lot, i mull it over, and sometimes I just ahve flashs of insight. I usually go with them because frequently people say "Wow, that's brilliant." Sometimes they say "You're a fucking loonie!" and I'm like "Ptthpppt, fuckers. This is how Jesus felt.""

That's so Ken. I can hear him saying it. And then I read the little tag you've put on it, "Just like Jesus, in a way:" and I just don't think you get it. It's a joke. He's joking about how people will tell him he's brilliant and tell him he's crazy for ideas that spring from the same place. It was a very witty retort to a very stupid question.

It was also how Ken lived his life, with no censor and no off switch. In real life he didn't talk about feminism and sex that often, he was far more likely to rant for an hour about fascism and George Bush.

More than that though, he was one of the nicest people I ever met. In real life he was so quiet and unassuming, especially arund people he didn't know. I knew him for several years before I actually had a real conversation with him, and I remember he kep throwing really crazy idea ta me to see what I'd do with them. That was he only thing Ken ever cared about when it came to other people, how they thought, and how they dealt with weird ideas.

He was kind of a "Nice Guy," but I think he knew it and didn't care. And with Ken being nice wasn't some trick to get into your pants. He was nice to everyone. Ken would do anything anyone asked of him, male or female. There was never any agenda with Ken, he just wanted the people around him to be happy.

That's what I liked about him. You always knew exactly where you stood with him, and no matter how tough or embarrassing he'd always tell you the truth.

I remember when people started calling him a rapist online. He cried about it, it tore him apart. He couldn't understand it at all. He told me this story about the one time he made out with girl and how she had pushed him away, and so he never tried to make a move with another woman again, because he was terrified he had done something wrong.

He was a virgin til he was 30 something because he thought making a pass at a woman was "sexually aggressive" and he "didn't want to be an aggressor." That was how he talked all the time. He worried constantly that he wasn't doing the right thing, what the right thing was. I've known anyone in my life who was so conscientious of others.

He didn't deserve what you did to him, not at all.

(Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

(no subject) - [info]hallidae, 2009-05-19 03:34 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]tetradecimal, 2009-05-19 03:34 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sistercoyote, 2009-05-19 08:03 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]bride_of_lister, 2009-05-20 01:32 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]platedlizard, 2009-05-20 03:53 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]atropos_lee, 2009-05-20 08:48 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]mister_terrific, 2009-05-19 03:42 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]mockygogo, 2009-05-20 01:17 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2009-05-19 03:57 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2009-05-19 04:33 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]tetradecimal, 2009-05-19 05:07 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]mister_terrific, 2009-05-19 05:17 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]trout, 2009-05-19 07:55 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]tetradecimal, 2009-05-19 10:50 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]trout, 2009-05-19 11:01 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2009-05-19 11:03 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]tetradecimal, 2009-05-19 11:08 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]bride_of_lister, 2009-05-20 01:35 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]tetradecimal, 2009-05-20 01:50 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]miss_padfoot, 2009-05-20 06:40 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]bride_of_lister, 2009-05-20 06:44 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sailorcoruscant, 2009-05-20 06:56 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]bride_of_lister, 2009-05-21 01:30 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]librarianmouse, 2009-05-21 07:14 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]kumquat_of_doom, 2009-05-20 03:38 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]rotten_fish, 2009-05-20 08:27 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]tetradecimal, 2009-05-20 09:43 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]mister_terrific, 2009-05-19 05:24 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2009-05-19 08:45 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]phosfate, 2009-05-19 04:03 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]jupiterpluvius, 2009-05-19 05:49 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]lady_ganesh, 2009-05-19 07:01 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sisterelwood, 2009-05-19 11:00 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]phosfate, 2009-05-19 11:01 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sisterelwood, 2009-05-19 11:31 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]faultypremise, 2009-05-19 04:33 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ari_o, 2009-05-19 04:52 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]jupiterpluvius, 2009-05-19 05:45 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]tetradecimal, 2009-05-19 07:14 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2009-05-19 05:45 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]snacky, 2009-05-19 05:59 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2009-05-19 07:14 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ari_o, 2009-05-19 07:27 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]serai, 2009-05-19 11:38 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]lady_ganesh, 2009-05-20 01:53 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]serai, 2009-05-21 10:25 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]mcity, 2009-05-19 07:27 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2009-05-19 07:29 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]snacky, 2009-05-19 07:30 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]vzg, 2009-05-19 07:32 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]arekuru, 2009-05-20 03:38 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]mockygogo, 2009-05-20 06:43 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sisterelwood, 2009-05-19 11:02 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2009-05-19 07:46 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2009-05-19 09:28 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2009-05-19 09:35 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]foresthouse, 2009-05-20 06:29 pm UTC

[info]mochibuni
2009-05-19 02:33 pm UTC (link)
Limeybean!

(Reply to this)(Parent)


[info]ari_o
2009-05-19 03:47 pm UTC (link)
Was it that Evan dude who left fliers all around running trails or something trying to talk to a "shy girl"? He came here or OTF_Wank or somewhere and it did not go well at all. Also wanker sent me tons of creepy "erotic" poetry, which he wrote about me and my husband. He was called a rapist, but I don't remember anyone calling him a pedo

(Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)


[info]tetradecimal
2009-05-19 03:57 pm UTC (link)
He internet stalked you? And now his sockpuppet is back on fandom_wank trying to get sympathy?

*boggles*

(Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

(no subject) - [info]ari_o, 2009-05-19 04:06 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]tetradecimal, 2009-05-19 04:13 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ari_o, 2009-05-19 04:35 pm UTC

[info]innocentsmith
2009-05-19 06:53 pm UTC (link)
wanker sent me tons of creepy "erotic" poetry, which he wrote about me and my husband

That's. Um. Wow.

I'm really sorry you had to go through that.

(Reply to this)(Parent)


(Read comments) -

 
   
Privacy Policy - COPPA
Legal Disclaimer - Site Map