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fern_on_fen ([info]fern_on_fen) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2009-05-17 13:28:00


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Entry tags:baleetion, bannination, community: fanficrants, dead gay headmaster, fandom: star trek, fanfic, isn't it awfully nice to have a penis, misogyny soup, outraged mice, penis, persecution, plucky girl detective, pseuicide, rape is not funny, sci-fi people like to fight, sexism, social experiment, troll, wankers who will not shut up, wanking inside the house, you're all assholes

Wank: The Final Frontier
As those of you who haven't been living under a rock may know, a new Star Trek movie just came out. Over on [info]fanficrants, [info]roq is upset about this. Apparently, TEENAGERS are now WRITING in HER fandom! Quelle suprise!

She has some choice words to say about it.



The highlights of the rant include:

Star Trek is the second oldest fandom in existence...

Because of this, I honestly don't think you can bring a new idea to the fandom. We've seen it all before, really...So that extraspiffy idea you have? We've probably seen it. What this means is that you'll need more than a gimick to keep our attention. You will need to write well. I'm not asking for Tolstoy but basic sentence structure is nice and maybe a plot or at least good characterization.


There's no such thing as an original idea? She must be right, because even that idea sounds familiar...

Two. Do not talk to me about cannon. Do not come over to my happy little ship and whine that K/S is not cannon because Spock and Uhura have a relationship. You may not be familiar with Trekkies. We are not like the Harry Potter fandom.

Guys, I think we've been told. I dunno why we're talking to her about armoury, but w/e. We are not ALLOWEd to write fanfiction within her ship unless we pass STRINGENT STANDARDS.

Also? K/S has never been cannon and probably never will. You know what? We don't care. It's fanfiction. We're changing the world just enough that K/S happens. That's it. If you have a problem with it, don't fucking read it. Go over to S/U and be happy.

The rant goes on in this vein for a while. And then there's the comments.

At first the comments at the community are overwhelmingly supportive and generally non-combative.

But then someone's fannish entitlement alarm goes off, and the shit hits the fan:

[info]kuromitsu starts: Remember, children, this fandom has been around since before you were born. You must follow all of its ancient conventions, must strive to gain the respect of older members, and most importantly you must. not. have. fun with it your own way lest the older fans not like it.

Fandom = serious business, damn it! God forbid you enjoy yourself!


[info]helen_damnation responds: Thank you. I was starting to think I was the only person annoyed by all the "thou shalt not"s.

I haven't seen the movie yet, though I intend to. I don't intend to watch the series. Know why? Because I don't want to. I want to watch the movie. I might write fic for the movie, I don't know yet. That's my right. I'm also very fond of portmanteaus. That's also my right.

Take your own advice and get over it.


It's all downhill from there.

Some choice bits include a "DAMN KIDS GET OFF MY LAWN!" quote, some accusations that the Star Trek fandom is the angriest and wankiest of all fandoms, some people pointing out how canon is spelt, an indignant Harry Potter fan, and a question on apropriate newbie etiquette.

And it's still going.

This one looks GOOD. I think I've already made Bingo.

ETA: Collateral damage wank on ffrantsrants located here.

Also, links are corrected now. Server is being robust, though, so steady on, folks.

ETA2: [info]roq bites back. Apparently he is a he.

Also:

So, according to the people over at fanfic rants, I'm an arrogant, condescending, hypocritical asshole with a stick up my ass.

Good to know.

Wow, you'd think I wasn't dealing with a rant community or something. Oh, wait.


RANTING COMMUNITIES ARE FOR RANTING! Also, I've forgotten to assume that everyone on the internet has a penis. My inability to remain stuck in the early 90's means that I don't understand a lot of what [info]roq says.



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[info]tetradecimal
2009-05-19 02:30 pm UTC (link)
I'll just take a wild guess here.

Lovecrafty? His E_D page mentions misogyny and stupids_free. He's got the tombstone. He's got an article on the wiki. And he sounds like a real charmer:

* Lovecrafty's thoughts on f_w:

Reading through the comments, it appears that most if not all of you are women. So then this is what? A gossipy little clusterfuck where you all get to wank each other off while displaying the sort of passive-aggressive cowardice that makes being a girl synomous with being a snippity hypocritical bitch behind people's backs? [1]

* Lovecrafty's thoughts on sex, rape, and evolution:

Females evolved pleasurable response to sex as a survival mechanism to deal with rape, much as males evolved the same to encourage it -- certainly long before humans ever arrived on the scene. [...] It's pretty ugly yes, but it's there. And if you don't understand that men (all men) have that drive to varying degrees, to just take and let the consequences sort themselves out, then you'll never understand why men can get so angry at women that they will beat them to death for not consenting to sexual relations. [2]

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[info]moljn
2009-05-19 02:37 pm UTC (link)
Isn't he the one with the icon of a brain in a jar that used to frequent scans_daily?

But yeah, pretty creepy guy.

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[info]tetradecimal
2009-05-19 02:43 pm UTC (link)
I don't know, but I hope I'm right. I've always wanted to have a Rumpelstiltskin moment.

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[info]hallidae
2009-05-19 02:44 pm UTC (link)
That would indeed be him. My other thought was possibly teh_no, but I can't remember if he's been wanked here before or not.

OH! What about that giant clusterfuck with the guy who had the girlfriend with an eating disorder, and they both showed up here after f_w went all bitchy over his comments that had something to do with overweight girls? Anyone remember that one?

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(no subject) - [info]reeve, 2009-05-19 05:13 pm UTC
whoops, typo - [info]reeve, 2009-05-19 08:31 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]vzg, 2009-05-19 07:02 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]vzg, 2009-05-19 07:06 pm UTC

(Anonymous)
2009-05-19 02:42 pm UTC (link)
Pretty much fits on every score - I think you may have it. What a charming man.

-Rhube

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[info]sepiamagpie
2009-05-19 02:45 pm UTC (link)
By jove, I think you've got it.

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[info]hallidae
2009-05-19 02:46 pm UTC (link)
Now that I think about it, you've got a better candidate than I came up with. Isn't he active under a new name, though?

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[info]mockygogo
2009-05-19 02:46 pm UTC (link)
except... lovecrafty is not dead. The tombstone is for the dude's suspended accounts. Not for him.

If E_D knew he was dead, and a suicide, then the article would be tagged "an hero."

Which phrase, tellingly, has not come up at ALL in this. Interesting.

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[info]bride_of_lister
2009-05-19 02:53 pm UTC (link)
Well yes but apparently this whole thing has only been reported here so ED wouldn't know about his tale of angst and woe yet.

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[info]sisterelwood
2009-05-19 05:07 pm UTC (link)
I remember this dude! I also remember the fact that he had multiple accounts. Anyone feel like digging around online for obituaries? I'm curious now to see if he's really dead. I seriously doubt that, though.

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[info]bride_of_lister
2009-05-19 02:48 pm UTC (link)
Gosh! That does sound just like the creepy wanker we've been talking to too.

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[info]phosfate
2009-05-19 02:52 pm UTC (link)
A shame. That would mean lovecrafty isn't dead, then.

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(no subject) - [info]bride_of_lister, 2009-05-19 02:56 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]vzg, 2009-05-19 07:08 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2009-05-19 08:43 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]lady_ganesh, 2009-05-19 07:04 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]phosfate, 2009-05-19 07:08 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]lady_ganesh, 2009-05-19 07:12 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]phosfate, 2009-05-19 07:15 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]lady_ganesh, 2009-05-19 07:23 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]tetradecimal, 2009-05-19 10:49 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]lady_ganesh, 2009-05-19 11:53 pm UTC

[info]mockygogo
2009-05-19 02:55 pm UTC (link)
I had wondered that, too. Pseuicide is painless, as the song goes...

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Lovecrafty, is that you?
[info]tetradecimal
2009-05-19 02:53 pm UTC (link)
And from this tribute video to him, you can totally see how he's a sweet, innocent guy who just happens to say things that might be misunderstood as completely insane.

He's just a poor li'l guy that was attacked for no reason. No reason, I tells ya!

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Re: Lovecrafty, is that you?
[info]phosfate
2009-05-19 02:58 pm UTC (link)
Oh, that's fucking revolting.

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Re: Lovecrafty, is that you?
[info]moljn
2009-05-19 03:05 pm UTC (link)
"SOMETIMES PEOPLE JUST DON'T FUCKING LIKE YOU BECAUSE YOU SUCK AS A HUMAN BEING." - Lovecrafty

By golly, I think he got it!

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(Anonymous)
2009-05-19 03:19 pm UTC (link)
I can't say I disagree with his assessment of this forum.

And yes, you did it. I shouldn't have responded to any of this, I shouldn't have kept talking, because you figure out who I was talking about.

His name was Ken, and he wasn't a charmer. He was a weird guy, with a very active mind that was constantly popping out these crazy ideas. He would go off on these extended diatribes about weird semantic issues and hardly anyone could follow along, and sometimes he talked so fast I thought he was doing coke. But most of his crazy ideas were that sort of crazy that made you wonder if he knew something the rest of us don't, and he was a constantly entertaining guy.

That's the only part of him I see online, that crazy motormouth firing on all cylinders. I read the quotes page you have for him and it brought tears to my eyes I was laughing so hard.

Like the quote "The truth is a I read a lot, i mull it over, and sometimes I just ahve flashs of insight. I usually go with them because frequently people say "Wow, that's brilliant." Sometimes they say "You're a fucking loonie!" and I'm like "Ptthpppt, fuckers. This is how Jesus felt.""

That's so Ken. I can hear him saying it. And then I read the little tag you've put on it, "Just like Jesus, in a way:" and I just don't think you get it. It's a joke. He's joking about how people will tell him he's brilliant and tell him he's crazy for ideas that spring from the same place. It was a very witty retort to a very stupid question.

It was also how Ken lived his life, with no censor and no off switch. In real life he didn't talk about feminism and sex that often, he was far more likely to rant for an hour about fascism and George Bush.

More than that though, he was one of the nicest people I ever met. In real life he was so quiet and unassuming, especially arund people he didn't know. I knew him for several years before I actually had a real conversation with him, and I remember he kep throwing really crazy idea ta me to see what I'd do with them. That was he only thing Ken ever cared about when it came to other people, how they thought, and how they dealt with weird ideas.

He was kind of a "Nice Guy," but I think he knew it and didn't care. And with Ken being nice wasn't some trick to get into your pants. He was nice to everyone. Ken would do anything anyone asked of him, male or female. There was never any agenda with Ken, he just wanted the people around him to be happy.

That's what I liked about him. You always knew exactly where you stood with him, and no matter how tough or embarrassing he'd always tell you the truth.

I remember when people started calling him a rapist online. He cried about it, it tore him apart. He couldn't understand it at all. He told me this story about the one time he made out with girl and how she had pushed him away, and so he never tried to make a move with another woman again, because he was terrified he had done something wrong.

He was a virgin til he was 30 something because he thought making a pass at a woman was "sexually aggressive" and he "didn't want to be an aggressor." That was how he talked all the time. He worried constantly that he wasn't doing the right thing, what the right thing was. I've known anyone in my life who was so conscientious of others.

He didn't deserve what you did to him, not at all.

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[info]hallidae
2009-05-19 03:34 pm UTC (link)
::golf clap::

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[info]tetradecimal
2009-05-19 03:34 pm UTC (link)
Quote:
SOMETIMES PEOPLE JUST DON'T FUCKING LIKE YOU BECAUSE YOU SUCK AS A HUMAN BEING. IT'S NOT ALWAYS ABOUT YOUR PUSSY, SOMETIMES IT'S ABOUT YOUR FUCKING PERSONALITY. GET THAT THROUGH YOUR FUCKING PEANUT BRAIN, YOU VAPID SHIT.


And from this and many similar bits of wisdom, we were supposed to read a nice guy who just wanted everyone to be happy.

In other news...

I DID IT

I'd like to thank the Academy, my parents, and my faithful beagle, Gipper.

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(no subject) - [info]sistercoyote, 2009-05-19 08:03 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]bride_of_lister, 2009-05-20 01:32 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]platedlizard, 2009-05-20 03:53 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]atropos_lee, 2009-05-20 08:48 am UTC

[info]mister_terrific
2009-05-19 03:42 pm UTC (link)
OH MY GOD WE KILLED KENNY!

WE'RE BASTARDS!

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(no subject) - [info]mockygogo, 2009-05-20 01:17 am UTC

(Anonymous)
2009-05-19 03:57 pm UTC (link)
If you are telling the truth and he is really dead, and he really killed himself, and you really aren't him, then I'm sorry but he came off as a creep. He may have only been joking, he may have actually been nice in person, he may have been careful and respectful of women and all that, but the internet is full of people that didn't know him personally and could only judge him by what he said online.

Which was creepy, and worrying, and disconcerting, and did not give the impression of him being a nice guy.

Again, if you are telling the truth and actually knew him, you are percieving him through a filter Fandom Wank, Stupid_Free and Encyclopedia Dramatica don't have. You can be outraged all you like, but you really, really aren't going to get any sympathy here.

Fandom Wank in general does not like sexism and people who appear to make excuses for rape. Sexism is not fucking funny and Fandom Wank is in it for the lulz.

Furthermore, and I know this has been said before, Fandom Wank is not Stupid Free or Encyclopedia Dramatica or Something Awful or anything other than Fandom Wank. We do not troll the wank and if we do we get banned.

So I'm sorry if you're distressed and looking to take it out on someone, but I'd look a little closer to home than Fandom Wank. Or, if you want to go spew outrage at strangers on the internet, I'm sure there are ones that were meaner to him than us.

Of course all that I wrote depends highly on whether or not you're telling the truth and not just being another reality challenged attention seeker with an ego problem, you know, like the people Fandom Wank is really interested in.

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2009-05-19 04:33 pm UTC
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[info]phosfate
2009-05-19 04:03 pm UTC (link)
So now he's dead, his friends to go into vivid and lengthy detail about his sex life in a public place.

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(no subject) - [info]jupiterpluvius, 2009-05-19 05:49 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]lady_ganesh, 2009-05-19 07:01 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sisterelwood, 2009-05-19 11:00 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]phosfate, 2009-05-19 11:01 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sisterelwood, 2009-05-19 11:31 pm UTC

[info]faultypremise
2009-05-19 04:33 pm UTC (link)
Oh Lovecrafty, must be a slow day for you, eh? Not getting enough attention from the wimmenfolks lately?

I bet the thought occurred to you: Hey, I can go bug the girls on FW! Even if they love to hate me, they still love me!

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[info]ari_o
2009-05-19 04:52 pm UTC (link)
Your poor poor friend. It must have been very hard for him to be controlled by fandom_wank retroactively since birth even though f_w wasn't around then and the internet was not really usuable for most people.

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(no subject) - [info]jupiterpluvius, 2009-05-19 05:45 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]tetradecimal, 2009-05-19 07:14 pm UTC

(Anonymous)
2009-05-19 05:45 pm UTC (link)
I'm like "Ptthpppt, fuckers. This is how Jesus felt.

I'd ask if you have a $4000 hat, but you're rather too literate to be *that* particular guy.

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