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polly peachum-wright ([info]wallflower) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2009-06-08 16:46:00


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Entry tags:actors, boo hoo, can't escape the screencaps, cons, cult of nice, entitlement, fandom: torchwood, fandom_wank's thoughts on yaoi, goddammit you guys be funnier!, ianto is crying, isn't it awfully nice to have a penis, mommy make it stop, omg mock people mock, penis, please mommy make it stop, reading comprehension whut?, sci-fi people like to fight, serious business, stop sharing your thoughts, thoughts on yaoi, unfunny business, wanking inside the house, we fail at not being misogynists

Welcome aboard the Torchtanic!
(Be warned: long wank report is LONG. Continuation of this [info]clairvoyantwank post. ETAs are under the third cut.)

This weekend, Torchwood fans flocked to Chicago for TorchSong, a John Barrowman-centric convention with a website that looks like it was modeled after a Geocities page circa 1997, a half-assed commercial that aired on BBC America, and some awfully expensive tickets.

When the con was first announced, the only guests were John, his sister Carole, and Mark Sheppard. When people started emailing the organizers about possible other guests, they were emphatically told while more guests would be coming, there would be no other Torchwood guests because it was a John Barrowman event, not a Torchwood event.

Ticket sales apparently convinced them this was not a good strategy, so over the following months they added Kai Owen, Tom Price, and Gareth David Lloyd. Fans squeed, and despite being not particularly impressed with the organizers' behavior, they willingly plonked down as much as $500 to see John and friends and to see John perform. (Later, 'special' auction packages went for up to $1,410.)

Then things start to go wrong.

On Wednesday, Kai Owen was forced to drop out due to a family emergency. Thursday, the day before the con began, they announced that John Barrowman had torn ligaments in his ankle and he would not be attending.

Aaaaand we're off.



Fans are extremely disappointed, but most are understanding about about John's injury and wished him well. Elsewhere, [info]honky_kong calls Barrowman a douche and gets attacked by anonymice.

Without the headlining attraction, people begin to wonder about partial refunds, because they had paid extra money for photo ops, autographs, and John's cabaret performance. [info]coolwhipdiva emails the organizers, and got back this polite and courteous reply that she posted on the fan community, [info]torchsong_09:

WE CAN NOT GIVE YOU A REFUND SINCE WE HAVE TO PAY for other things. Please do come and be surprised.

MaryLee


Comm members "WTF" over the rudeness of the message.

Then [info]ailurophile6 emails asking for a refund for the cabaret performance and gets another rude reply, now with bonus spelling errors.

[info]joesther reflects on everyone's attitudes, and there is speculation regarding whether or not the convention is insured. (I don't know if it was ever confirmed or not, but the general consensus was "no.")

Meanwhile, the organizers let everyone know that John will be communicating from home via live video feed so he can still participate, and that they have added actor Peter Wingfield of Highlander fame as a last-minute guest.

They also send out a message to attendees regarding the situation that basically boils down to "You'll take what we give you and like it, and if you don't, tough cookies!" They're magnanimous enough to offer TorchSong attendees discounts to their next Barrowman event, though.

Commenters are frustrated. [info]helena14_99 encourages people to file a compaint with the Better Business Bureau. The Doctor Who anonmeme discusses the situation at length, and there's some bitching in the comments here. Most people are trying to remain optimistic.

Things have gotten as bad as they're going to get, right?


On Friday, reports trickle in from fans that Tom Price was hit by a cyclist and broke his wrist (earlier reports were that he broke his arm after being hit by a car; thankfully this did not turn out to be true). People speculate that this con is cursed. (As Gareth David-Lloyd is at this point the only Torchwood cast member left standing, people begin to suspect strange things are afoot.)

At the end of Day 1, convention reports start to trickle in.

[info]condani is not pleased with the behavior of the organizers or the con itself so far. People take issue with her dragging John Barrowman's manager into the fray.

[info]beckster6701 is having fun, but [info]euphrosyne2u thinks that the whole thing is bullshit.

Day 2, more con reports are posted, including lots of information about the Q&A John participated in that day from his home. According to [Screencap of post; comments available upon request] reports [Screencap of post; same deal with comments], John was quite raunchy, with antics including:

- a story of John's sister thinking that John and his partner were having sex in another room while she was staying over when in reality he was having acid reflux
- dry-humping his partner, Scott
- simulating tree sex with Scott
- Scott coming onscreen in a pink Speedo
- ripping off his shirt and "gyrating for the camera"

Elsewhere, more fail from the organizers ensues (such as not having the promised free photographs for premier members, forcing them to buy them in the dealer's room for autograph sessions).

That evening, what was supposed to be John's cabaret was replaced with him being briefly there (since it was 4:30am his time), Gareth David-Lloyd performing karaoke to his own music (they hooked up a con goer's ipod) and singing a song called "Take it Like a Bitch" on the piano, and Peter Wingfield playing his guitar.

While John was there, more raunch ensued, though, including John mooning the camera and telling a story about Gareth David-Lloyd's recreational Viagra use leading to him showing up to work with a massive hard-on.

When these stories start to leak out, the meme gets wanking!

It was skeevy! vs No it wasn't!

People should have known that Barrowman has no boundaries before they went into it! vs It was open to the public! (Barrowman concern troll, party of one?)


Day 3, John apparently realizes that he did some things he probably should not have done, and [info]notsofunnywhen wants us all to know:

FIRST a brief explanation. Some of you may have noticed that some of the pics from my LJ have vanished into the ether. That was at the request of JB. He's concerned about some of the photos being picked up by British media and blown out of proportion, likewise with some of the more colorful episodes. When he chatted with us today via SkyChat he BEGGED people NOT to post that information, that some of it in the wrong hands could hurt him or his family and he wouldn't want to do that. Said he wants to be himself with us, his fans when we're together and he doesn't want to censor his words or actions wants to be himself and hopes we will appreciate and respect that and not share the crazier stuff outside the semi-private forum of the con. He is my Liege, his wish is my command and so, you will see some of my previous posts have been edited. Sorry if this disappoints you, but I'm sure you understand.

Something similar happened at an earlier convention when cast members did a skit that was basically a sendup of their show. They asked people not to film it, photo it, or even talk about it out of fear that it would get back to the BBC and they would get in trouble.

The meme reacts with BITCH, PLEASE:

Give me a fucking break! If he's that worried about his rep, he needs to fucking learn to reign it in and censor himself. He's the only one to blame if people take the pics and stories out of context. It's called being a responsible adult and not counting on the fans to protect your now sullied reputation.


Didn't we get the same old crap from Barrowman at the Hub last year? I'm sick of him wanting to have his cake and eat it. If he doesn't want anyone to publish stories that could get him into trouble with the BBC or his family, HE needs to learn to dial back on the tacky fanservice and not put that kind of material into the public domain in the first place. No sympathy here if any of this comes back to bite him in the ass.


Oh, here we go again. And now all the attendees will be policing each other and wanking all over the web about how special they are and how JOHN ASKED THEM NOT TO SAY ANYTHING!!!

And so on and so forth.

Since that happened, though, people are starting to do as the above mousie predicted and edit reports or put them into lockdown (such as this one, screencapped from a now-locked entry; a cross-posting on [info]barrowmanfans was deleted.) and ask people not to post images from the video feed (the first commenter wants everyone to know that "If someone is a REAL fan of John Barrowman, and RESPECTS him, they will not post any photos they illegally obtained from the Skype video transmission").

John also apparently told the con goers some sort of secret they are not allowed to say anything about. Stay tuned for more wank on that.

Hatred towards the organizers continues to be uniform, from what I can tell. Still no word on them getting their money back, but the answer is still most likely "NO."

Oh, and [info]euphrosyne2u is still really pissed.

ETA: Screengrabs of [info]notsofunnywhen's two now-edited posts (via Google cache) here and here. (Shamelessly stolen from a mousie on who_anon)

ETA2: Mousies bring song parodies. For lulz.

Bonus "I know something you don't know!" quote from a now-deleted post on [info]torchsong_09. If you know who it was, let me know and I'll edit.

Turns out John has quite a few exciting things in line for us. Some of which he asked us not to mention over the internet. I can't recall which ones he wanted us to keep confidential so I guess I'll be safe and not name any. I will say that the most different thing he has planned will benefit his American fans.

ETA3: "UR JUST JELUS!!"

ETA4: Con-goers have now created their own special clubhouse: [info]torch_tanic ([info]torchsong_09 post announcing it. Commenters are not amused, but you'd never know it because she deleted all the wholly negative ones. Raise your hand if you've got a screencap.) (Thank you [info]kaylamds for the heads-up.)



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[info]iceandlime
2009-06-08 10:04 pm UTC (link)
I can't honestly believe people are bitching over him asking people to keep things quiet.

It's nice that he wants to be himself, and he's right that the media would take it and run with it if they could. So what's the problem with him doing something and asking it not to be relayed past the people there.

I don't get how people can call him an asshole for that.

Also, at the Hub he didn't ask people not to talk about the skit, just not to film it because they could get in trouble.

Got fans are entitled at times. Newsflash: You don't deserve to know anything. Suck it up and accept it.

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[info]cjk
2009-06-08 10:17 pm UTC (link)
It was a huge event which everybody could attend. So technically everything he did or said there is out in the open already. Asking people to keep quiet about what he did there (and he did do some rather questionable stuff, but then that's JB) is closing the barn doors after you chased the chickens out yourself.

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[info]iceandlime
2009-06-08 10:21 pm UTC (link)
Don't agree, sorry. Those people are all fans, but it's sad but true that when people start to relay things the media pick up on it and take them and run.

I can see why people would be a bit miffed that they might not get to know the ins and outs of what was said, but they by no means deserve to know.

I agree though that the event organisers themselves seem like total twonks and they deserve all they get for treating people the way they have.

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[info]sisterelwood
2009-06-08 11:05 pm UTC (link)
Those people are all fans, but it's sad but true that when people start to relay things the media pick up on it and take them and run.

I have the perfect solution to this! How about he shouldn't have said anything if he didn't want it repeated in the first place?

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(no subject) - [info]mighty_mouse, 2009-06-08 11:07 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]iceandlime, 2009-06-08 11:07 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]mighty_mouse, 2009-06-08 11:11 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]iceandlime, 2009-06-08 11:12 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]puipui, 2009-06-08 11:21 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sisterelwood, 2009-06-08 11:23 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]puipui, 2009-06-08 11:31 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sisterelwood, 2009-06-08 11:35 pm UTC

[info]phosfate
2009-06-09 01:26 am UTC (link)
Remember that time you didn't go on Maury Povich with your cousin and your babydaddy and your parole officer to discuss whether or not the baby should be circumcized, and, if so, whether it was okay to have it done via an elaborate internet waldo hands hookup on live TV by that guy from americascheapestdiscountmoehls.com?

It's kind of like that.

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[info]napalmnacey
2009-06-13 04:54 am UTC (link)
It's moments like this I want to marry you, do you know that?

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(no subject) - [info]phosfate, 2009-06-15 02:52 am UTC

[info]dawnswalker
2009-06-08 10:26 pm UTC (link)
True as that may be, it was still pretty naive of him/his agent to think that absolutely everyone in attendance would keep all of it under their hats.

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[info]iceandlime
2009-06-08 10:28 pm UTC (link)
Oh yeah, I agree with you there. It's the people who act like they deserve to know what he said that get to me.

If anyone does spill even though he asked them not to well that's tough titties to him really.

Though to be honest, I think it's nice that people don't. Nothing wrong with people having respect for someone's wishes, even if people do want to turn that into them being fag hags.

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[info]sisterelwood
2009-06-08 10:38 pm UTC (link)
Gee, thank you for sharing your FASCINATING thoughts on yaoi Torchsong.

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[info]iceandlime
2009-06-08 10:39 pm UTC (link)
I know how dare I comment on what the post is about.

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[info]sisterelwood
2009-06-08 10:41 pm UTC (link)
Okay!

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(no subject) - [info]arionhunter, 2009-06-09 02:29 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sisterelwood, 2009-06-09 03:49 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]apoplexia, 2009-06-09 08:42 am UTC

[info]ari_o
2009-06-08 11:43 pm UTC (link)
Protip: We don't care.

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[info]sisterelwood
2009-06-09 12:25 am UTC (link)
Why have I not friended you yet on JF? Seriously!

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(no subject) - [info]ari_o, 2009-06-09 01:18 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sisterelwood, 2009-06-09 01:30 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]notjo, 2009-06-09 01:54 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ari_o, 2009-06-09 02:00 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]notjo, 2009-06-09 02:07 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ari_o, 2009-06-09 02:18 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ari_o, 2009-06-09 02:00 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]puipui, 2009-06-09 02:31 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sisterelwood, 2009-06-09 03:36 am UTC

[info]honorh
2009-06-08 11:44 pm UTC (link)
JB is a raunchy kind of guy, yeah, and people should know this. However, if he doesn't want this kind of thing getting around, he needs to NOT SAY IT (or do it). Most of his fans will love him no matter what, but honestly? If you do that stuff in front of 500 people, you ought to know it's not staying put. Bad move, John, bad move. Still love you, but bad move.

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[info]jupiterpluvius
2009-06-09 03:13 am UTC (link)
So what's the problem with him doing something and asking it not to be relayed past the people there.

I don't get how people can call him an asshole for that.


Because he was at WORK. This is his JOB. For which he gets PAID. The people at the con were PAYING CUSTOMERS, not his friends.

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[info]jupiterpluvius
2009-06-09 03:14 am UTC (link)
The "no videos" stuff is reasonable, but the "DON'T TELL ANYONE WHAT I SAID AT THE CON YOU PAID TO ATTEND" is Crazytown.

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(no subject) - [info]mighty_mouse, 2009-06-09 02:12 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]baskinglizard, 2009-06-10 03:30 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]miss_padfoot, 2009-06-10 07:24 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]baskinglizard, 2009-06-10 08:29 pm UTC

[info]zing_och
2009-06-09 04:59 am UTC (link)
I endorse this comment.

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[info]atropos_lee
2009-06-09 10:28 am UTC (link)
> Because he was at WORK. This is his JOB. For which he gets PAID

Alas, this has never stopped him before. If anything it would have encouraged him.

Atropos - shielding her eyes from the Barrowman Bounty since her days backstage at Drury Lane.

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(no subject) - [info]notarose, 2009-06-09 10:57 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]atropos_lee, 2009-06-09 11:16 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]notarose, 2009-06-09 11:36 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]atropos_lee, 2009-06-09 01:46 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]mighty_mouse, 2009-06-09 02:14 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]notarose, 2009-06-09 10:53 pm UTC

[info]mighty_mouse
2009-06-09 02:11 pm UTC (link)
Ding ding ding 500 paying customers =/= to 500 close friends

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[info]elliptic_eye
2009-06-09 03:26 am UTC (link)
It doesn't make him an asshole. It makes him an idiot.

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[info]also_not_a_pipe
2009-06-09 05:00 am UTC (link)
There's also the little thing where he asked everyone not to repeat things he said in a kind of manipulative and dickish way. "You care about me and my career and my family, don't you? If you're really my friend a good fan you'll help me make sure my actions don't have consequences!"

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[info]mochibuni
2009-06-09 08:19 am UTC (link)
*facepalm*

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[info]catchester
2009-06-09 11:10 am UTC (link)
Because you cant tell people something, then after the fact expect other people to keep your secret.

You're right, fans arent entitled to know everything but once they have heard or seen what the "star" chose to say or do, then it's too late then to take it back.

It's hardly wank-worthy, but it does show very poor form and bad judgement on JB's part. Though it was my understanding that 99% of the british public already know he's a sleeze anyway.

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[info]white_tean
2009-06-10 03:58 am UTC (link)
I actually agree with you, I hope I don't get lynched for that. I think someone acting a little raunchy and outrageous in good fun in one situation shouldn't be dragged into an entirely different situation if they don't want it to be. The fact that he's a professional doesn't change that common courtesy.

It's like my going to a friend's 21st the weekend just been. It's one thing for me to act a certain coy and lewd way in that situation, and my friends understand that and unless we're in a comparable situation again those actions won't be brought up because it's the type of rambunctious behaviour that's situational. They're not going to bring my homoerotic innuendo and the fact that the birthday girl had to fetch a card from down my dress during a game up if they're over at my house to visit and my parents are there.

Posting pictures on the internet of humour that was catered to the vibe of a certain situation (however much John Barrowman tends to act up and go above and beyond) onto the internet takes them out of that particular situation and strips away the context and that can change the way people can view them. I think it's perfectly alright for JB to ask that they not be put in a different situation. I mean, it's not like the wrath of the heavens is going to smite anyone who doesn't have the courtesy he wishes because it's not even necessarily wrong for people to repost things, it's just not as polite as they could be. As far as I'm concerned those actions were only intended for those who attended this con and I'm A-OK with that.

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[info]puipui
2009-06-10 05:23 pm UTC (link)
I actually agree with you, I hope I don't get lynched for that.

I think this might be the most annoying part of your completely humorless comment, here. When people get pissed off at someone with a dissenting opinion around here, it's not generally because of the dissent itself, but more because the person doing the dissenting is an oversharing moron who can't manage to disagree and be funny at the same time, often with bonus points for saying things like "I actually agree with you, I hope I don't get lynched for that."

If you're going to agree with her, go for it, but for the love of all that is holy, BE ENTERTAINING. Or at least add something to the conversation that isn't three boring paragraphs that can be summed up as "I agree (boringly)."

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(no subject) - [info]white_tean, 2009-06-10 08:26 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]puipui, 2009-06-10 10:20 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]white_tean, 2009-06-11 01:32 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]mrbimble, 2009-06-12 06:03 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]vasaris, 2009-06-10 09:11 pm UTC

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