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dhole ([info]dhole) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2009-10-07 00:20:00


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Entry tags:apostrophe abuse, bannination, cons, don't make me come back there, fandom_wank's thoughts on yaoi, flouncing, omg mock people mock, please mommy make it stop, sci-fi people like to fight, taking it too seriously, the davinci wank, the mice defend her, wanking inside the house

Banned from Octocon!
Before I get started, a disclaimer: The closest connection I have to Irish fandom is that I've flown over bits of Ireland from time to time. And, when I was a kid, I saw a lot of commercials for Lucky Charms. So I'm probably going to be missing a few subtleties. Also, this is something that happened recently, and recently . . . recently isn't really the decade that I'm best at.

With that said, it seems that there's a guy named Pádraig Ó Méalóid. Who's active in Irish con-going fandom. Or at least, he's active in large parts of Irish con-going fandom. But not Octocon, the Irish National Convention, which is going to be held next weekend. You see Pádraig got a letter the other day, that went a little something like this:


Hello,

I'm writing on behalf of the 2009 Octocon Committee. I am the Co-Chair.

Due to your behaviour at the convention some time ago and your online behaviour earlier this year we have come to the unfortunate decision to ban you from this convention. We believe that your attitude towards us has been far to aggressive both online and in the past at the convention.

This matter is not open for discussion and we will not enter into any online discussion regarding this nor will we discuss this with any other persons. This decision is final.

We are deeply saddened by this as this is the first time a committee has had to ban someone. We will of course will refund your money; if you reply to me with your address I will forward this onto you as soon as possible.

Regards,

Nichola Hannigan


Now, if you're like me, you look at a letter like that, and think "she probably meant 'far too aggressive'." Also, you'd find that third paragraph amusingly repetitive. (I have to warn you, if that was actually your reaction, you're going to want to lay some tarp around your work area, as one of the links that comes later is going to make your head explode. And that's hard to clean up.)

And, if you're someone like Pádraig, you'll go ahead and post the letter to your livejournal. I mean, I'd have done that as well, but with far more mockery.

But Pádraig wasn't the only place in which this news was broken. Cheryl Morgan happened to mention it as well. To quote the seemingly innocuous paragraph:


In less good news my email is currently buzzing with the news that my good friend Pádraig Ó Méalóid has apparently been banned from the convention. I know that Pádraig has been rather critical of the Octocon committee this year, and perhaps rather more aggressive about it than he should have been, but I know my fan history well enough to remember that banning people from conventions rarely ends well. The right way to deal with one’s critics is to prove them wrong by running a great event.


Comment 3 is by one James Brophy, who was, at that point, on the Octocon committee. And he's there to link to the convention's Code of Conduct, and defend the committee's decision. Against all challengers.

The first one he takes on is Pádraig. To his protestations of "I don't know what the hell they're talking about," James replies with "You turned your ignorance of your own actions into a press release." Zing!

Then there's another challenger. Gary Farber replies in his own, inimitable fashion. And at great length. And other people agree with him. Also, Chris O'Shea points out that the code of conduct in question wasn't actually put up on the web last week, which is apparently after whatever happened that made them kick Pádraig out of the convention. It also is in the realm of possibility that the code went up after they sent the letter.

Chris concludes with:

Octocon’s PR has the ears of the world at the moment, it would be a good time to explain what is going on, because in the absence of such, things will only get worse.


James isn't going to take that lying down! In the next comment, he announces his resignation from the con committee, and comprehensively flips his shit. This is where the grammar induced head-explosions are going to start, by the way, as his language skills seem to go at the same time as his temper.

I'm not a hundred percent capable of parsing the claims in the post, but as I understand them, they more or less go as follows: a) Pádraig is a mean guy. b) Also, he says mean things, both to people, and about people. c) One time, he took some prints from a photographer that he shouldn't have.

Rather than do a play-by-play for the rest of the thread, I'll summarize. Gary makes fun of James's difficulties both with the English language and with logic. James explains that one of the lurkers who supports him isn't speaking up, because he's a writer, and fears that Cheryl Morgan will ruin his career. Cheryl gets upset at that, and bans James from her blog, until she's contacted by the guy in question. Which, rather surprisingly, she is, so she un-bans him. Various other members of the committee show up, not so much to explain their actions, as to explain that they wanted this to be kept private, and they are saddened that Pádraig has put his own interests above those of a convention which he's not allowed to attend.

As one might expect, there's some discussion about there elsewhere on the internet; the one bit that jumped out at me as providing useful data was a comment on lj which suggested that one of Pádraig's major sins was founding a convention that's been more successful than Octocon over the last decade or so.

And that's all I've got.



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[info]sparklepuss
2009-10-07 01:38 am UTC (link)
Please forgive my extreme Irish ignorance, but how would one pronounce Pádraig Ó Méalóid?

Also, why are cons always a cesspool of wank?

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[info]happyville
2009-10-07 01:49 am UTC (link)
If he wanted to have the mater settled he would have tried to contact the committee

I read this in a deep southern accent as if in reference to a tomato.

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[info]emiweebee
2009-10-07 01:57 am UTC (link)
and they are saddened that Pádraig has put his own interests above those of a convention which he's not allowed to attend.

...are they new?

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[info]feenix
2009-10-07 01:58 am UTC (link)
So, apparently, some dude was banned from some con because he was like those mean girls in high school.

Anyway.

Is this par for the course, or are you merely at your keyboard in a state of intoxication?

NOT. SAYING. ANYTHING.

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[info]scifantasy
2009-10-07 02:00 am UTC (link)
I came across this on James Nicoll's livejournal, under the heading "Did Moskowitz, Sykora, and Taurasi contend in vain?"

Which is a reference to the "Exclusion Act" of First Fandom. See here for some discussion in Fancyclopedia I.

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[info]dragonfangirl
2009-10-07 02:18 am UTC (link)
This matter is not open for discussion and we will not enter into any online discussion regarding this nor will we discuss this with any other persons. This decision is final.

They won't discuss it with imaginary people or real people.

I do like "you turned your own ignorance into a press release," though.

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[info]blue_penguin
2009-10-07 02:43 am UTC (link)
Why is it called Octocon? That just makes me think of an octopus convention. And then I think of this song.

(I am an Octocon, wow wow, yeah yeah
I am an SF con
I have few attendees
I am considerably wanky
I flame fast with the keyboard
When I become angry, I spurt misspellings
I am an Octocon, wow wow, yeah yeah)

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[info]puipui
2009-10-07 02:44 am UTC (link)
Now, if you're like me, you look at a letter like that, and think "she probably meant 'far too aggressive'."

*hangs head in shame*

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[info]fanpoodlex
2009-10-07 02:47 am UTC (link)
From Gary Farber @13: "...but speaking as someone who has been around fandom since 1971, and has as much knowledge of fandom’s history going back to 1926 as, well, there *is* a reason I created the first institutionalized Worldcon fanhistory display in 1977, and did one or co-did it for a number of years afterwards, and I’d offer the following unsolicited advice to James Brophy, and whomever else on the Octocon Committee may be in a responsible position as regards this decision...

Pompous much?

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[info]fanpoodlex
2009-10-07 02:56 am UTC (link)
Also, only posting the rules after you've banned someone for violating them - a decision made of LOL.

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[info]starlady42
2009-10-07 02:58 am UTC (link)
Did anyone else read the headline as "Banned from Octomom!" ?

...just me, then.

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(no subject) - [info]thoms, 2009-10-07 03:11 am UTC
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[info]lady_ganesh
2009-10-07 03:42 am UTC (link)
There's some seriously failtastic grammar going on there.

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[info]khym_chanur
2009-10-07 04:08 am UTC (link)
So, in summary:

"What did I do wrong?"
"You know what you did."

Is that about right?

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(no subject) - [info]jkefka, 2009-10-07 05:00 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]white_serpent, 2009-10-07 09:36 am UTC
Oh dear
[info]serai
2009-10-07 04:21 am UTC (link)
This can't end well.

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[info]witty
2009-10-07 04:24 am UTC (link)
On the upside, when British Isles people start slagging each other off, they do it in magnficient fashion. No "Yeah, well you're a fuckhead!" for them, oh no. They have thesauri.

Though sadly not grammaries.

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(no subject) - [info]sparkysrevenge, 2009-10-07 11:34 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]youcuntface, 2009-10-07 08:27 pm UTC
(tho on second thought that might make it kinda unfunnybzns)
[info]negativecosine
2009-10-07 04:27 am UTC (link)
:DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD IRISH WANK. PLEASE CAN THERE NEXT BE WANK ABOUT SOMEONE NOT SPEAKING IN IRISH, OR SPEAKING IN IRISH, OR DOING IT IN THE WRONG DIALECT, AND THEN I CAN PRINT IT OUT AND BRING IT TO CLASS AND GET AN A++++ AND A LOLLIPOP


...I mean. Um. I'm not taking a Structure and Sociolinguistics of Irish class right now, no, not at all. My favorite professor totes didn't write the textbook, of course not, don't be silly...

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Re: (tho on second thought that might make it kinda unfunnybzns) - [info]sisterelwood, 2009-10-07 05:21 am UTC
Re: (tho on second thought that might make it kinda unfunnybzns) - [info]negativecosine, 2009-10-07 05:27 am UTC
Re: (tho on second thought that might make it kinda unfunnybzns) - [info]sisterelwood, 2009-10-07 05:29 am UTC
Re: (tho on second thought that might make it kinda unfunnybzns) - [info]negativecosine, 2009-10-07 05:32 am UTC
Re: (tho on second thought that might make it kinda unfunnybzns) - [info]sisterelwood, 2009-10-07 05:35 am UTC
Re: (tho on second thought that might make it kinda unfunnybzns) - [info]nekoneko, 2009-10-07 11:24 am UTC
Re: (tho on second thought that might make it kinda unfunnybzns) - [info]brennalarose, 2009-10-07 03:33 pm UTC
Re: (tho on second thought that might make it kinda unfunnybzns) - [info]aliaras, 2009-10-07 05:43 pm UTC
Re: (tho on second thought that might make it kinda unfunnybzns) - [info]caudipteryx, 2009-10-07 01:00 pm UTC

[info]castellated
2009-10-07 04:54 am UTC (link)
Okay, I'm hooked, I gotta know. What the fuck did he do? Any links to that???

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(no subject) - [info]evanwaters, 2009-10-07 07:37 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]castellated, 2009-10-17 07:02 am UTC

[info]frequentmouse
2009-10-07 05:03 am UTC (link)
Gary Farber's last post in the Cheryl Meyer's blog post is full of links to past fannish nonsense, one ofwhich contains a link which links back to the UFB post about Wiscon vs the Goons... it's the circle of waaaaannnnnnnk!

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(no subject) - [info]frequentmouse, 2009-10-07 05:34 am UTC

[info]sisterelwood
2009-10-07 05:25 am UTC (link)
The wank is funny. Some of the comments to this post- not so much.

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[info]herongale
2009-10-07 06:20 am UTC (link)
I read the entire thread at Cheryl Mewsing's blog... and... Wow.

That was... fucking ORGASMIC level awesome wank.

It TOTALLY met and EXCEEDED BY MULTIPLE INTEGERS my previously stated rule of awesome wank, which is that outrage in inverse proportion to the actual severity of offense is one of the most amazing things ever.

Because.... I just had the most glorious history of fandom convention misdoings in my LIFE and it came about because some probably totally abrasive dick was banned from a convention of FANS OF IRELAND (okay, Irish fiction and media, but basically FANS OF IRELAND) by reactionary, microscopically thin-skinned committee members so drunk on their own power that they don't seem to remember that the default setting of A LARGE NUMBER OF REAL LIFE FANS is "Astounding Dick, Cockishness set to Stun."

If they can't put up with that, WHY ARE THEY ORGANIZING A CONVENTION TO BEGIN WITH?

BUT APPARENTLY, THEY AREN'T REALLY "ORGANIZING," preferring to mysteriously castegate some charismatic and well-liked dude with a Penn Jillette level of apparently affibly assholishness instead of fixing basic problems with their website, or (apparently) tending to problems at their own con as it happens.

THIS IS ALL JUST AMAZING, AMAZING SHIT.

I AM BLOWN AWAY

WHERE IS MY FROSTIN... I MEAN ICING... SHIT

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(no subject) - [info]vasaris, 2009-10-07 09:34 pm UTC

[info]sgaana
2009-10-07 06:23 am UTC (link)
James explains that one of the lurkers who supports him isn't speaking up, because he's a writer, and fears that Cheryl Morgan will ruin his career. Cheryl gets upset at that, and bans James from her blog, until she's contacted by the guy in question. Which, rather surprisingly, she is, so she un-bans him.

Is this actually the first evidence in a wank of "The Lurkers Support Me in Email" actually COMING TRUE?

It's... it's like the rest of Sesame Street finally being able to see Mr. Snuffleupagus! Or something!

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(no subject) - [info]adevyish, 2009-10-07 07:01 am UTC
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[info]doomsday
2009-10-07 06:54 am UTC (link)
As an addendum, what would he have gotten if he skimpily tried to contact the octocon committee if he really was confused as to what he has been doing wrong all these years.

He would have gotten an answer.


So that wouldn't count as discussion, online discussion, or discussion with other persons?

Also, James doesn't sound very saddened by the banning. Maybe they polled all the committee members on their level of sadness and came up with a median of "deeply."

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(no subject) - [info]chaos_theory, 2009-10-07 07:18 am UTC
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[info]chaos_theory
2009-10-07 07:23 am UTC (link)
You go on spelling poorly James, you bad bad naughty speller you. Rawr! Give all us dyslexic girls something to aim for. (Too bad about the lack of basic logic skills.)

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[info]ari_o
2009-10-07 07:41 am UTC (link)
He issued a Press Release! Who does he think he is? Lady Sybilla?

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(no subject) - [info]vorpal_blade, 2009-10-07 09:57 pm UTC

[info]evanwaters
2009-10-07 07:44 am UTC (link)
The appearance of Jo Walton's "The Lurkers Support Me In E-Mail" reminded me that I have to buy all of this woman's books.

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