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dhole ([info]dhole) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2009-10-07 00:20:00


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Entry tags:apostrophe abuse, bannination, cons, don't make me come back there, fandom_wank's thoughts on yaoi, flouncing, omg mock people mock, please mommy make it stop, sci-fi people like to fight, taking it too seriously, the davinci wank, the mice defend her, wanking inside the house

Banned from Octocon!
Before I get started, a disclaimer: The closest connection I have to Irish fandom is that I've flown over bits of Ireland from time to time. And, when I was a kid, I saw a lot of commercials for Lucky Charms. So I'm probably going to be missing a few subtleties. Also, this is something that happened recently, and recently . . . recently isn't really the decade that I'm best at.

With that said, it seems that there's a guy named Pádraig Ó Méalóid. Who's active in Irish con-going fandom. Or at least, he's active in large parts of Irish con-going fandom. But not Octocon, the Irish National Convention, which is going to be held next weekend. You see Pádraig got a letter the other day, that went a little something like this:


Hello,

I'm writing on behalf of the 2009 Octocon Committee. I am the Co-Chair.

Due to your behaviour at the convention some time ago and your online behaviour earlier this year we have come to the unfortunate decision to ban you from this convention. We believe that your attitude towards us has been far to aggressive both online and in the past at the convention.

This matter is not open for discussion and we will not enter into any online discussion regarding this nor will we discuss this with any other persons. This decision is final.

We are deeply saddened by this as this is the first time a committee has had to ban someone. We will of course will refund your money; if you reply to me with your address I will forward this onto you as soon as possible.

Regards,

Nichola Hannigan


Now, if you're like me, you look at a letter like that, and think "she probably meant 'far too aggressive'." Also, you'd find that third paragraph amusingly repetitive. (I have to warn you, if that was actually your reaction, you're going to want to lay some tarp around your work area, as one of the links that comes later is going to make your head explode. And that's hard to clean up.)

And, if you're someone like Pádraig, you'll go ahead and post the letter to your livejournal. I mean, I'd have done that as well, but with far more mockery.

But Pádraig wasn't the only place in which this news was broken. Cheryl Morgan happened to mention it as well. To quote the seemingly innocuous paragraph:


In less good news my email is currently buzzing with the news that my good friend Pádraig Ó Méalóid has apparently been banned from the convention. I know that Pádraig has been rather critical of the Octocon committee this year, and perhaps rather more aggressive about it than he should have been, but I know my fan history well enough to remember that banning people from conventions rarely ends well. The right way to deal with one’s critics is to prove them wrong by running a great event.


Comment 3 is by one James Brophy, who was, at that point, on the Octocon committee. And he's there to link to the convention's Code of Conduct, and defend the committee's decision. Against all challengers.

The first one he takes on is Pádraig. To his protestations of "I don't know what the hell they're talking about," James replies with "You turned your ignorance of your own actions into a press release." Zing!

Then there's another challenger. Gary Farber replies in his own, inimitable fashion. And at great length. And other people agree with him. Also, Chris O'Shea points out that the code of conduct in question wasn't actually put up on the web last week, which is apparently after whatever happened that made them kick Pádraig out of the convention. It also is in the realm of possibility that the code went up after they sent the letter.

Chris concludes with:

Octocon’s PR has the ears of the world at the moment, it would be a good time to explain what is going on, because in the absence of such, things will only get worse.


James isn't going to take that lying down! In the next comment, he announces his resignation from the con committee, and comprehensively flips his shit. This is where the grammar induced head-explosions are going to start, by the way, as his language skills seem to go at the same time as his temper.

I'm not a hundred percent capable of parsing the claims in the post, but as I understand them, they more or less go as follows: a) Pádraig is a mean guy. b) Also, he says mean things, both to people, and about people. c) One time, he took some prints from a photographer that he shouldn't have.

Rather than do a play-by-play for the rest of the thread, I'll summarize. Gary makes fun of James's difficulties both with the English language and with logic. James explains that one of the lurkers who supports him isn't speaking up, because he's a writer, and fears that Cheryl Morgan will ruin his career. Cheryl gets upset at that, and bans James from her blog, until she's contacted by the guy in question. Which, rather surprisingly, she is, so she un-bans him. Various other members of the committee show up, not so much to explain their actions, as to explain that they wanted this to be kept private, and they are saddened that Pádraig has put his own interests above those of a convention which he's not allowed to attend.

As one might expect, there's some discussion about there elsewhere on the internet; the one bit that jumped out at me as providing useful data was a comment on lj which suggested that one of Pádraig's major sins was founding a convention that's been more successful than Octocon over the last decade or so.

And that's all I've got.


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[info]hyeri
2009-10-07 12:07 am UTC (link)
This made me laugh because I actually do live here in Ireland and given the state of most of the towns around here at night...(and being in Dublin at any hour of the day), they don't have a stereotype for nothing. It also makes me headdesk because it really does feel like anyone intelligent left the country years ago and we're left with the stupid.

Of which this post seems to be case in point.

(and of course there would have to be a con when I'm actually not going to BE here. *headdesks* Why do I never hear about these things until it's too late?)

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[info]sisterelwood
2009-10-07 02:19 am UTC (link)
Okay!

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[info]cyndra_falin
2009-10-07 06:34 am UTC (link)
wow

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[info]sophistry
2009-10-07 06:52 am UTC (link)
Um.

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[info]deliciouschaos
2009-10-07 07:07 am UTC (link)
what the fuck did I just read

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[info]sisterelwood
2009-10-07 07:17 pm UTC (link)
A diatribe by a xenophobic idiot?

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[info]puipui
2009-10-07 07:27 am UTC (link)
it really does feel like anyone intelligent left the country years ago and we're left with the stupid

Maybe it just feels like that to you because you hang out with yourself so much?

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[info]kijikun
2009-10-07 07:58 am UTC (link)
Have I ever told you that I love you?

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[info]persona
2009-10-07 10:09 am UTC (link)
Oh, well played.

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[info]spacelogic
2009-10-07 01:19 pm UTC (link)
♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥

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[info]feenix
2009-10-07 09:54 am UTC (link)
So remind me. If you disapprove of the culture of Ireland and actually do think they're a bunch of drunks, why are you living there again?

Though, thanks for taking my mildly offensive comment and replying with something even more offensive! Truly, you seem to enjoy setting yourself up to be a punching bag.

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[info]jkefka
2009-10-07 11:20 am UTC (link)
But what are your thoughts on yaoi scotsmen?

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[info]feenix
2009-10-07 11:49 am UTC (link)
Not only are they drunkards, she also heard they wear kilts so the sheep don't hear them undo their zippers.

I don't know. I'm just guessing.

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[info]sheep
2009-10-08 05:34 pm UTC (link)
D:

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[info]agent_hyatt
2009-10-08 02:02 am UTC (link)
Damn Scots. They ruined Scotland!

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[info]ickle_snowflake
2009-10-07 10:27 pm UTC (link)
...Do you even go here?

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[info]influencethis
2009-10-13 02:58 am UTC (link)
They just have a lot of feelings!

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[info]platedlizard
2009-10-08 10:34 am UTC (link)
Newsflash: every country is filled with stupid, drunk losers.

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[info]kumquat_of_doom
2009-10-20 07:53 pm UTC (link)
Somewhat belated, but I'm just reading this now and oh boy.

Please, tell us more of your relentless quest to apply stereotypes to everywhere and anything that isn't Just Like Home!

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