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The Mad Bishounen ([info]jkefka) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2009-11-19 19:54:00


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Entry tags:i know it because of my learnings, person: john scalzi, person: lee goldberg, person: nora roberts, self-publishing, smart bitches trashy books, stop giving strangers money you idiots, writers are often pompous douches

Harlequin vanity bodice-ripping wank! (Even more awesome than it sounds)
Hang on to your hats, kids, this one's a doozy in several parts. To start off, you might want to catch up on [info]agilebrit's clairvoyantwank writeup. Clairvoyant indeed! To sum up, romance publisher Harlequin Enterprises teamed up with a publisher called ASI solutions to form Harlequin Horizons, a vanity press. Romance Writers of America promptly revoked Harlequin's "recognized publisher" status.

And now for a wank in several parts, involving a goodly number of awesome people in addition to a wanking Cast of Thousands (tm):

As linked above, the news broke on the PubRants blog. Promptly, there was wank. To keep this report from getting too long, I think I can sum up the two sides at work with this comment and one further down. (editied b/c I linked and quoted the wrong comments...whupsie)

1: I'm so proud of RWA right now. I really hope they do not relent.

Self publishing is NOT considered published under the RWA guidelines. The money flows toward the author, not away.

Another thing is this: Harlequin wants a free ride. They want "slush" authors to pay for self-publishing and then Harlequin will monitor the more successful ventures and possibly publish them traditionally. Oh, they also say in their memo that they realize that authors sometimes want bound copies of their own books to show to potential agents!! Um, yeah, I'm sure Kristin would love that. They are completely trying to take advantage of the new, uneducated and desperate author.


2: Publishing insiders know the score. You can put it to music--The Times They Are A-Changin'.
It's a brave, brilliant move by Harlequin and will doubtlessly serve as a model for other publishers.

Solid, agented mss are getting rejected with those "glowing" passes you blogged about, Kristen. A year ago, these same mss would have been pre-empted. The old rules no longer apply: good, publishable books aren't getting picked up. And if some of these authors opt for Harlequin, they won't "tarnish" the brand, they'll inject new life into it.


GOOD TIMES! There is further wank in the comments of said post, but I think that's all we need to see for now.


For our next act:[info]platedlizard dropped these two in the c_w post: Writers Beware and the Absolute Write forums. [info]annathepiper brings us the Making Light entry on the topic, and ensuing commentary, and over here we have Dear Author.

...I'm not even going to bother quoting from these, really, there's plenty to go around on the topic of vanity vs. self-publishing and teh evils of Harlequin for duping their authors, but as neat as it is the really juicy stuff is what pops up next:


Part Three: Wherein SBTB explodes and Nora weighs in.

First off, in this we have a rep from Harlequin itself showing up an explaining their stance. Of course, these reassuring statements about "Oh we'll keep the vanity press stuff away from the real authors" don't work so well when you market like this:

Item three:

“Compete in the marketplace. It’s no secret that the book industry is crowded and competitive. What can you do to set yourself apart? Start by checking out our innovative marketing services such as e-books, online video book trailers, author Web sites and social networking services.”


(And speaking of marketing, how about a "Hollywood book trailer" for a mere 20 grand?)

But enough with this dumbassery, you want Nora, right? Right. Unfortunately, all her comments are on the second page, and for some reason that makes them impossible to link directly. Warning: Huge Block of Text.

To start off, "Emma Wayne Porter" asserts the following:

“Professional” authors are already paying for packaging, editorial, promotion and admin (copyright and such) through the rather huge chunk the publishers take from the revenue pile. FACT: The author gets what… 6 - 8% of the take? That means the traditional publisher gets 92 -94%.

Nora, you know, Nora god-damn Roberts, responds thusly:

Just no.

When a publisher BUYS the rights to your book, they PAY you an advance on royalties. You do not PAY them. You get a check for the SALE of your rights. You have sold your book, you have not paid to have your book published.

The publisher then shells out the money for all the areas of publication, invests considerable time and money into that publication as it has bought the book and paid the author an advance on royalties. When the book is published, the author will receive more money when that advance earns off. The author does not pay, but is paid.

In addition to getting a check rather than giving one, the author receives the support, experience, muscle, editorial input, etc, etc, from the publisher.

Vanity press is called vanity for a reason. You’re paying for your ego. That’s fine, dealer’s choice.

But it’s a different matter when a big brand publisher uses its name and its resources to sell this as dream fulfillment, advertises it as such while trying to claim it’s not really their brand being used to make money on mss they’ve rejected as not worthy of that brand in the first place.


Delightful! It gets better though. A wanker named "Zoe Winters" shows up with gems like this:

The sooner authors realize that ALL publishing routes in some way feed their own vanity, the sooner they can stop wanking over the issue and figure out the best BUSINESS decision for them. For SOME the best business decision is going to be traditional publishing because they either don’t have the time, interest, or skills to start their own business like this.

For some, it’s going to be self-publishing.


And eventually gets into a little back-and-forth with Nora, which I won't bother to reproduce in full but here's one glorious Nora highlight:

~It is perfectly valid for “you” to speak of a writing career~

Zoe, this just pisses me off as it supposes I didn’t come up through the ranks, sweating my way, going through what every other new writer goes through.

It supposes I really don’t know what I’m talking about in today’s publishing arena because I’m somehow removed from it by success.

So I have to stop all this and go back to my privileged career—which for me, is continuing to sweat over the keyboard to write a book.


The sensation is something like hearing Morgan Freeman say "motherfucker" in Wanted. So awesome. Much more to that debate if you go looking, just search page two of the SBTB post for Nora Roberts or Zoe Winters.


This last part came out of fucking nowhere. A blog post was made on the New Yorker website. Yes, that New Yorker. There is wank in the comments, but as these are New Yorker readers it is highly eloquent and always done with the pinky extended. I will translate into terms wankas will find more familiar (note: comments are from the bottom up, because they're better than you):

MyMusings: OMG UR JUST BITTER

lynnmede: THE OP IS HAX

YasmineGalenorn: OMG UR DISSIN MY FRIENDS *FLOUNCE*

heypat: U STOLE THAT ICON AND UR BEING WHINY

The rest of it is actually well-reasoned discourse that uses the quality writing to make valid if slightly barbed points. Entertaining nonetheless.


And finally, THIS JUST IN from PubRants. Watch that post for further fappery developments! Notably, Harlequin has decided to dissociate the "Harlequin" name from their vanity publishing rig in response to the RWA slamming them, and the MWA has weighed in. ETA: And the wank has matured nicely! Here's a couple comments of note: Anon #1, Anon #2, "Harlequin, were not stupid" [sic].

And here come the ETAS!
#1: SFWA tweets a heads-up, and the glorious katamari of wank rolls on!

#2: Coutesy of [info]magnolia_mama, Lee Goldberg drops his two cents from the MWA soapbox. In a shocking turn of events, he seems to be making a cogent, reasonable argument. My world is rocked.

#3: [info]annathepiper links us to SFWA's statement, which is possibly the strongest yet! For a snippet:

...Further, SFWA believes that work published with Harlequin Horizons may injure writing careers by associating authors’ names with small sales levels reflected by the imprint’s lack of distribution, as well as its emphasis upon income received from writers and not readers....Until such time as Harlequin changes course, and returns to a model of legitimately working with authors instead of charging authors for publishing services, SFWA has no choice but to be absolutely clear that NO titles from ANY Harlequin imprint will be counted as qualifying for membership in SFWA. Further, Harlequin should be on notice that while the rules of our annual Nebula Award do not expressly prohibit self-published titles from winning, it is highly unlikely that our membership would ever nominate or vote for a work that was published in this manner....SFWA does not believe that changing the name of the imprint, or in some other way attempting to disguise the relationship to Harlequin, changes the intention, and calls on Harlequin to do the right thing by immediately discontinuing this imprint and returning to doing business as an advance and royalty paying publisher.

Count on the pew-pew lasers genre to bring the burn!

#4: Found by [info]pariforma, someone named Jackie Kessler has an excellent (and amusing) summary of the whole mess on their blog. The pricing breakdown (with reference links to the Harlequin price-sheets themselves) is particularly well-done.

#5, which should be like #3 but I missed it the first time: via [info]lady_ganesh, Mr. Scalzi has spoken. Does anyone else smell something...burning?

Or in other words: Hey, prospective writers! Harlequin cordially invites you to take nearly as much money as the company gives its first-time romance writers as an advance and give it to them instead, in the foolish and ill-advised hope that by doing all the work the publisher is supposed to do for you, you might get the attention of the company who is already putatively publishing your work. At which point the publisher will reach down from its lofty perch in the clouds, wave its magic wand at your wooden toy of a novel and make it a real boy, and then say to you, “yes, you actually are a writer, not just some foolish chump who has just spent hundreds or thousands of dollars to slap the word ‘Harlequin’ on your self-published work.”

...

After mentioning all the ways Harlequin has helped the RWA conference in the past (read: “you are nothing without us!!!!”), Hayes writes:

"It is disappointing that the RWA has not recognized that publishing models have and will continue to change. As a leading publisher of women’s fiction in a rapidly changing environment, Harlequin’s intention is to provide authors access to all publishing opportunities, traditional or otherwise."

Let me translate that last paragraph for you:

"It is disappointing that the RWA has not recognized that in a recession, our company’s commitment to its bottom line trumps any ethical or moral consideration when it comes to the treatment of writers who haven’t figured out that we’re supposed to be paying them, not the other way around. Harlequin’s intention is to suck money off these rubes in every way possible, so there."


Mmm, PR barbecue. As a bonus, there's a lovely herd of teal deer in the comments, including some truly lovely wanking by one Diana Peterfreund and a few others. Scroll on through, it's a good time.

Blooper reel: We, uh, may have played a part in crashing SBTB for a while there. please don't kill meeeee

#6: Zoe Winters continues her wanking in the comments of an article at the Examiner. Thanks [info]dreamworld!




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[info]swordmage
2009-11-20 04:14 am UTC (link)
I...

yeah...

*goes off to read it all*

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(no subject) - [info]breecita, 2009-11-20 06:26 am UTC

[info]da_angel729
2009-11-20 04:17 am UTC (link)
I love Nora Roberts so much. Classy responses to asshats FTW.

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(no subject) - [info]jupiterpluvius, 2009-11-20 05:37 am UTC
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[info]kitesareevil
2009-11-20 04:45 am UTC (link)
Every time La Nora beats someone to death with her words, I buy at least 3 of her books with the money I don't have.

*raises glass* La Nora, I go into more debt for you!

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(no subject) - [info]seanchaigirl, 2009-11-20 05:58 am UTC
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[info]lady7jane
2009-11-20 04:57 am UTC (link)
As such, we are changing the name of the self-publishing company from Harlequin Horizons to a designation that will not refer to Harlequin in any way.

Well, that was quick.

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(no subject) - [info]jkefka, 2009-11-20 05:02 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]lady_ganesh, 2009-11-20 03:59 pm UTC

[info]keri
2009-11-20 05:01 am UTC (link)
Oh man I'm loving this wank. Whenever SBTB, Nora Roberts, or the RWA are involved, you know that there's going to be some popcorn-worthy happenings going on.

I think RWA-related stuff ranks right behind plagiarism/self-publishing wank on my list of Favorites Ever. (And, in fact, this particular one looks like it's going to slide right into the #1 spot, thanks to the self-pub angle. Now if only we can get some accusations of plagiarism or copying or otherwise not-doing-the-work, my week will be complete.)

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(no subject) - [info]seanchaigirl, 2009-11-20 05:59 am UTC
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[info]kayla
2009-11-20 05:06 am UTC (link)
The entire Zoe Winters/La Nora exchange boils down thusly:

Zoe Winters: I need to be validated because I can't get published!
La Nora: CRY MOAR

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(no subject) - [info]msilverstar, 2009-11-20 07:29 am UTC

[info]keri
2009-11-20 05:07 am UTC (link)
Also, lol at the BAWWWWW in the New Yorker comments:

I just cancelled my subscription because of this. I'm a paranormal romance author. I don't write for HQN but have plenty of friends who do--and for you to use the cover of a legitimately published author who has NOTHING to do with Harlequin Horizons appalls me. Next time, you should get your facts straight.
Posted 11/19/2009, 12:13:42pm by YasmineGalenorn


Note that the offending cover image has since been removed, with a comment from the blogger that it was simply meant to illustrate a romance novel, blahblahblah.

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(no subject) - [info]jupiterpluvius, 2009-11-20 05:38 am UTC
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[info]magnolia_mama
2009-11-20 05:23 am UTC (link)
#1: SFWA tweets a heads-up, and the glorious katamari of wank rolls on!
All this wank needs now is commentary from John Scalzi.

Lee Goldberg's already weighed in from the MWA side of things.

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(no subject) - [info]jkefka, 2009-11-20 05:35 am UTC
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[info]palabradot
2009-11-20 05:35 am UTC (link)
DANGIT. I am out of wine and popcorn. Anyone got an extra bottle in the fridge?

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(no subject) - [info]kitesareevil, 2009-11-20 06:25 am UTC
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[info]witty
2009-11-20 06:02 am UTC (link)
Keyword sets I love:
Keywords: Christianity; Masturbation; [&c.]

(From the New Yorker blog post.)

Now, if it were about how best to masturbate in a Christian fashion, it would be even more hilarious. However, then it would require pictures. Or at least cute little line-drawings in the margins.

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(no subject) - [info]footsie, 2009-11-20 09:58 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]blue_penguin, 2009-11-20 10:38 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]rhosyn_du, 2009-11-21 01:02 am UTC
Ghastly's is always relevant - [info]dragonfangirl, 2009-11-22 06:52 am UTC
Re: Ghastly's is always relevant - [info]tofuknight, 2009-11-25 10:19 pm UTC

[info]annathepiper
2009-11-20 06:20 am UTC (link)
Wait what I'm actually source in a wank post? Awesome!

Here, let me follow up on that with SFWA weighing in!

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(no subject) - [info]tez, 2009-11-20 06:35 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]msilverstar, 2009-11-20 07:31 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]deliciouschaos, 2009-11-20 07:41 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]khym_chanur, 2009-11-20 11:43 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sistercoyote, 2009-11-20 10:02 pm UTC
Coming late to the kerfluffle... - [info]sumire, 2009-11-22 07:30 am UTC

[info]notjo
2009-11-20 06:26 am UTC (link)
Oh hey, maybe Russett Moon can be published by Harlequin! That will show the haters!

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(no subject) - [info]ghostmaster, 2009-11-20 03:05 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]reeve, 2009-11-20 04:16 pm UTC
My favorite comment in the entire SBTB thread . . .
[info]duraniedrama
2009-11-20 06:59 am UTC (link)
Tick Tock Man said on...
11.19.09 at 05:40 PM

REPENT, HARLEQUIN!!

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Re: My favorite comment in the entire SBTB thread . . . - [info]msilverstar, 2009-11-20 07:33 am UTC
Re: My favorite comment in the entire SBTB thread . . . - [info]deliciouschaos, 2009-11-20 07:41 am UTC
Re: My favorite comment in the entire SBTB thread . . . - [info]sokudoningyou, 2009-11-20 08:03 am UTC
Re: My favorite comment in the entire SBTB thread . . . - [info]librarianmouse, 2009-11-20 08:05 am UTC
Re: My favorite comment in the entire SBTB thread . . . - [info]ravenbell, 2009-11-20 09:12 am UTC
Re: My favorite comment in the entire SBTB thread . . . - [info]brennalarose, 2009-11-20 09:14 am UTC
Re: My favorite comment in the entire SBTB thread . . . - [info]palabradot, 2009-11-20 01:34 pm UTC
Re: My favorite comment in the entire SBTB thread . . . - [info]baskinglizard, 2009-11-20 02:33 pm UTC
Re: My favorite comment in the entire SBTB thread . . . - [info]pariforma, 2009-11-20 06:51 pm UTC
Re: My favorite comment in the entire SBTB thread . . . - [info]cmdr_zoom, 2009-11-20 07:14 pm UTC

[info]argylespy
2009-11-20 07:37 am UTC (link)
Apropos of nothing in particular except for the whole Harlequin romance novel thing, all this is just reminding me of that one issue from the Batman: The Animated Series tie-in comic series where Harley Quinn gets released from Arkham and, in order to turn a new leaf and make an honest living, decides to write a romance novel (GET IT?) all about a bubbly clown-themed villainess falling in love with a handsome, mysterious, nocturnal animal-themed hero and then going on a crime spree to woo him.

I forget why the Joker decided to not kill her (well, aside from it being pretty PG rated for the most part) but as it turns out Harley is a terrible author and the book tanks. So to drum up sales she decides to reenact the crime spree in the book and she gets away with it thanks to having laced the pages of every copy of the book with one of Poison Ivy's mind control concoctions and she goes unchallenged until she comes face to face with Batman who knew her next target is complete unaffected. Which leads to a short but hilarious exchange between the two of them about the fact that he read her romance novel. While wearing leather gloves. Okay, maybe it's a little PG-13 in places.

. . . oh. Right. Wank. I adore Nora Roberts to itty bitty bits and pieces. Zillions of them. And if I could remember what day it was that FW officially convinced me to give her books a try I would celebrate it every year. At least I remember which book it was.

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[info]sevendeadlyfun
2009-11-20 08:03 am UTC (link)
OMG. Zoe Winters is killing me ded with her wanktastic powers of internet tomfoolery. Her learnings, let her show them to you. And yes, she did get them from the internets but if it's on the internets, it must be true. Also, please stop trying to constrain her with PC BS like showing due respect to someone with experience and credentials. That just makes communication UNPOSSIBLE.

SRSLY.

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(no subject) - [info]librarianmouse, 2009-11-20 08:12 am UTC
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[info]librarianmouse
2009-11-20 08:27 am UTC (link)
See, now, I read the title of this post and thought "Hooray, my favorite kind!" I read the subtitle and thought "How can it possibly be more awesome than it sounds?"

And now, I am in awe. I am a happy, happy little wanka. :)

Also, to quote Emma Wayne Porter's comment:
The author gets what… 6 - 8% of the take? That means the traditional publisher gets 92 -94%.

This may well be true, but publishing with an actual publisher increases the likelihood of actually selling books. So the question is, would you like 6% of a boatload of money, or would you like to give Harlequin 20 grand?

It's a tough decision.

*Reposted because antihistamines and logic don't mix*

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(no subject) - [info]agilebrit, 2009-11-20 08:30 am UTC
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[info]doomsday
2009-11-20 08:54 am UTC (link)
I love excuses to use this icon.

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[info]mcity
2009-11-20 09:29 am UTC (link)
>ALL publishing routes in some way feed their own vanity,

I love it when people come up with strange, new definitions for words.

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(no subject) - [info]mcity, 2009-11-20 09:29 am UTC

[info]wankismyfandom
2009-11-20 09:37 am UTC (link)
I think Zoe Winters must have an internet filter that changes everything Nora Roberts says to "There is no god but traditional publishing, and I am its prophet."

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(no subject) - [info]ghostmaster, 2009-11-20 03:15 pm UTC

[info]lindra
2009-11-20 10:22 am UTC (link)
Also, I think my favourite summation of the conversation between Zoe Winter and La Nora is from the comments at SBTB, by beverly jenkins:

"As the old folks used to say - you can have a discussion at the kitchen table, but not with the kitchen table."

FTW!

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[info]moosecharmer
2009-11-20 10:34 am UTC (link)
I love that the agent blogs (like Janet Reid and Kristin Nelson, WHO I LOVE OMG) have been so pissed about this, possibly because they're the ones who're gonna be fielding queries and, y'know, actual physical books from Harlequin wannabes. They are classy ladies! Who do not suffer fools!

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[info]squeakthemouse
2009-11-20 11:09 am UTC (link)
What a glorious wank on which to end my day. A++ write-up as well!

*Settles in to read*

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(no subject) - [info]jkefka, 2009-11-20 02:11 pm UTC
Self publishing vs vanity publishing
[info]khym_chanur
2009-11-20 12:26 pm UTC (link)
Reading some of the (off-JF) comments, I see that some people claim that there's a difference between self publishing and vanity publishing, with Harlequin Horizons being the latter. So what's the difference? The vanity publisher gets the copyrights, but a self-publishing house doesn't? Reading the articles I've Googled has made the difference entirely clear to me.

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Re: Self publishing vs vanity publishing - [info]anatsuno, 2009-11-20 12:44 pm UTC
Re: Self publishing vs vanity publishing - [info]issendai, 2009-11-20 04:55 pm UTC
Re: Self publishing vs vanity publishing - [info]cesare, 2009-11-20 12:52 pm UTC
Re: Self publishing vs vanity publishing - [info]anatsuno, 2009-11-20 12:56 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]cesare, 2009-11-20 12:58 pm UTC
Re: Self publishing vs vanity publishing - [info]issendai, 2009-11-20 05:15 pm UTC

[info]cesare
2009-11-20 12:56 pm UTC (link)
Do not miss this glorious highlight from Zoe Winters, regarding Nora Roberts:

I understand Nora once struggled, but she struggled in a different publishing climate in which her odds for success going the “traditional route” (read: the same way we’ve always done it) were significantly higher than they are for an author now.

It’s like going back in time to when automobiles started becoming popular and talking to an old horse and buggy seller and the horse and buggy seller teaching you how to make it in that business. Well, that business stopped really existing.


Oh my GOD. *makes popcorn*

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(no subject) - [info]ari_o, 2009-11-20 01:04 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]ari_o, 2009-11-21 02:58 am UTC
The lurkers support Zoe Winters in email. - [info]cesare, 2009-11-20 01:29 pm UTC
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[info]ari_o
2009-11-20 01:01 pm UTC (link)
I thought it was kind of scary when Harlequin teamed up with NASCAR to publish a series of novels, but I could sort of see it was a valid niche market.

But this... Oh, Nora Roberts. Stop making me want to read your novels. Someone tell me where to start?

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