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seiberwing ([info]seiberwing) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2009-12-06 12:31:00


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Entry tags:baleetion, dungeons and dragons, fantasy, interrogating from the wrong perspective

Your game is bad and you should feel bad.
On the Rpg.net forums, a review by Louis Catchet of Dungeons and Dragons, 4th edition is posted. The review has since been pulled (EDIT: [info]reeve has found us a copy, but going by the comments it seems to have been pretty negative and badly written. Some of it may be replicated here. Both his grammar and his ideas are criticized until the man himself shows up on page 2. And that's where the crazy starts.



I do not have a simulationist bias. I think games should be balanced, between playability and realism, and a game like MERP did that well, I think - to give You an example.

The imaturity bit; I think D&D is a tasteless product when it comes to the content. Besides, the authors are taking real mythic creatures and turning them into silly looking cartoons that does not resemble the myths whatsoever. This is an insult to the cultures from whence these myths comes. Now, that's my opinion.

You should differ between "simulation" and "feasible". Big difference. Magic is by the way feasible; our forefathers believed in it for tens and thousands of years.

For the "you" not "You" part. In most languages one addresses strangers with in a polite form, German "Sie" rather than "du", Danish "De" rather than "du", and so forth. I am sorry if my use of this politeness is a problem to the English speaking world.


Realism in the pretendy fun time magic games is also at stake here.

My point was that magic is feasible because intelligent human beings believed in it for a very long time. They believed in spirits, and that they could manipulate these spirits by the help of sorcery (spells, basically). This belief was very intellignet (reasonable), actually, but of course built on ignorance.

A flying eye, like the beholder, is not feasible. Spirits are, because there is no way to know they don't exist. We don't see them. Nor do we see any beholders, but we know that we never will, because we are familiar with the laws of nature. Therefore they are not feasible.


The thread continues in a likewise fashion, with posters protesting his opinions and Mr. Cachet coming up with some extremely random responses. Claims include the traditional get a life fallacy, claims that the sky is not actually blue, some bizarre infatuation with capitalizing You, claims they are interpreting the text from the wrong perspective and fantasy monsters not being called by the right names.

Then around page sixteen things take a weird diversion.


Well, mainstream showing does not drive me nut, but it did make me write a crappy review of D&D...

I think I already was a nut, by the way, even before fantasy was made mainstream by Peter jackson... :-p

When it comes to vampires; sure, I can argue that "vampires are not like that", but I have never bothered to play vampire games. It is too gay for me, really. I think the vampire thing is a lesbian thing. It's like an exchange of bodily fluids without involving any male body parts, so to speak. Colours are usually black and red = feminine colours.

The belief in vampires is indeed ancient, by the way, from Antiquity, and we can actually find remains of bodies in Northern Europe that are nailed to the ground in their graves with wooden poles. Not to kill the vampires, but to prevent the dead from rising from the graves (if possessed by trolls =evil spirits) to drink the blood of the living. The modern vampire myth on the other hand is... just a lesbian fantasy, I guess.


Oh deary me. So in between the wild claims that mythical creatures are only realistic if they cling to the original myths (and Christian myths don't count), we have red as a feminine color. Always. Throughout history.

In addition to laying extreme doubts that he's ever slept with a woman, he seems to have some very strange beliefs about what is real.

You are right, and I feel like a guy who left the cave, in the analogy of the cave. I know the shadows we are watching (in D&D and other games) are just shadows, and I have seen what created these shadows, but when I return to tell the others about what I saw, I face only mockery.

A game with a beholder.

Why not? But not a game with a beholder and mythic creatures, unless it was made perfectly clear that "a" is not a mythic creature, but "b" is. Please don't mix fact and fiction without letting us know what is fact and what is fiction.

Personally I play RPGs for the atmosphere, and need -- or want -- the atmoshpere to be authentic (whatever I mean by that...). My narrow mind refuses me to stay thrilled and excited when anacronisms occur all the time, when soemthing is plain wrong or stupid, and I am sure one can (easily) create an RPG without such problems. Our (not my own only) home brew does it well. (But creating everything from scratch is kind of time consuming, so I'd prefer it if some professionals were doing it instead).


The wrong continues and continues until the inevitable personal attack, the flounce, and the banning. Such is the cycle of wank.

Varyar

You don't have a clue do you?

Hey! I am speaking to ignorant fools... I don't know why I bother.

I thought RPGers were more intelligent than others. Maybe they are too, but certainly many of you aren't...

Thanks to those who had the brains and will to understand what I was saying.

Farewell.


Godspeed, you silly silly person.




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[info]roachspit
2009-12-06 09:02 pm UTC (link)
Vampires are a lesbian fantasy? (Boy, will those Twilight fans be surprised!) Traditional myths are Totally Real, you guys, but stuff made-up by geeks within the last thirty-odd years is Totally Fake and Uncool?

Get out of my hobby! You are making my hobby look bad!

On the other hand, if someone wanted to run a campaign with nothing but traditional monsters instead of made-up ones, that might be sort of cool. Then again, so would the reverse. But since the No Non-Traditional Monsters Campaign would have beholders, I'd rather play that one. :-D

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(no subject) - [info]seiberwing, 2009-12-06 09:06 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]caffeine_fairy, 2009-12-06 09:15 pm UTC
Ooh hey I have a vampire icon for this! - [info]gusty, 2009-12-06 10:43 pm UTC
Re: Ooh hey I have a vampire icon for this! - [info]ekaterinv, 2009-12-07 01:03 am UTC
Vampires are totally for lesbians, see! - [info]sddalek_inc, 2009-12-07 05:08 am UTC
Re: Vampires are totally for lesbians, see! - [info]seiberwing, 2009-12-07 05:09 am UTC
Re: Vampires are totally for lesbians, see! - [info]sddalek_inc, 2009-12-07 05:23 am UTC
Re: Vampires are totally for lesbians, see! - [info]nekoneko, 2009-12-07 01:15 pm UTC
Re: Vampires are totally for lesbians, see! - [info]blue_penguin, 2009-12-07 10:41 pm UTC
Re: Vampires are totally for lesbians, see! - [info]brennalarose, 2009-12-08 01:19 am UTC
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The backpack that wasn't - [info]issendai, 2009-12-07 09:00 am UTC
... - [info]brennalarose, 2009-12-08 01:22 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]puipui, 2009-12-07 10:15 am UTC

[info]reeve
2009-12-06 09:04 pm UTC (link)
Wow. Especially on the vampires and colors thing.

Also, I found the original review. I'll copy-pasta here as well in case the Google cache disappears later on (all formatting intact):

Artwork

You can tell just by looking at the artwork on all the D&D 4e products that Wizards of the Coast (WotC) uses professional artists. You can however also tell that the art in these products is aimed at a young and still immature customer, my guess is around age 12-14. That is; a kid old enough to afford the D&D products, but still too young to have begun wasting his money on drugs, alcohol, mopeds, girls or something like that. From a capitalist point of view this is brilliant, but from a conservative gamer's point of view it reeks. I want mature games; deep, fantastic, yet feasible, faithful to the myths all fantasy is based upon and so forth. I don't want a cartoonish looking fantasy setting (like WoW) that is obvioualy made for immature kids.

With that said; WotC know what they are doing, and for a 12-14 year old kid, their target customer, D&D has great artwork and everything looks really "cool". The armours pictured would be suicide to wear in real life, some of the weapons would be completely unusable in real life, and so forth, but... I guess that's what immature kids want. I don't.

Layout

The layout in the D&D products is fine. It works well and I like it very much. This is professional work.

Readability

There is a book called "D&D for Dummies", and when I saw it in the bookstore my initial thought was; "I thought D&D was a RPG for dummies as it is? Why would anybody need this book?" Now, that might be a bit cruel to say, but really; the D&D core books are written so that even their target customer, the 12-14 year old kid, can grasp it all fairly easily. If written for even a slightly older customer, these books could have lost 50% "weight", at least, without loosing any valuable content. In fact; if 50% of the text was gone, it would have been easier to read and to grasp. More is not always better.

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D&D Review, continued (repost for small correction) - [info]reeve, 2009-12-06 09:06 pm UTC
Re: D&D Review, continued (repost for small correction) - [info]seiberwing, 2009-12-06 09:12 pm UTC
Re: D&D Review, continued (repost for small correction) - [info]reeve, 2009-12-06 09:53 pm UTC
Re: D&D Review, continued (repost for small correction) - [info]seiberwing, 2009-12-06 09:55 pm UTC
Re: D&D Review, continued (repost for small correction) - [info]lyssa, 2009-12-06 10:08 pm UTC
Re: D&D Review, continued (repost for small correction) - [info]seiberwing, 2009-12-06 10:56 pm UTC
Re: D&D Review, continued (repost for small correction) - [info]eleutheria, 2009-12-07 06:15 am UTC
Re: D&D Review, continued (repost for small correction) - [info]lyssa, 2009-12-07 06:26 am UTC
Re: D&D Review, continued (repost for small correction) - [info]funwithrage, 2009-12-07 03:47 pm UTC
Re: D&D Review, continued (repost for small correction) - [info]istaerlus, 2009-12-06 09:50 pm UTC
Re: D&D Review, continued (repost for small correction) - [info]istaerlus, 2009-12-06 10:47 pm UTC
Re: D&D Review, continued (repost for small correction) - [info]anonyrat, 2009-12-07 02:31 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ayala_atreides, 2009-12-06 10:44 pm UTC
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[info]dragonfangirl
2009-12-06 09:07 pm UTC (link)
A flying eye, like the beholder, is not feasible.

That's really what we're worried about here?

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(no subject) - [info]ari_o, 2009-12-07 12:06 am UTC
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[info]deliciouschaos
2009-12-06 09:09 pm UTC (link)
In before 'eye of the beholder' puns.

Also, this is oddly extra-hilarious to me since one of the campaigns I'm in not only has had serious trouble with beholders in the past, but is currently rocking one as a party member.

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[info]quietladybirman
2009-12-06 09:12 pm UTC (link)
.. on second thoughts, no. Actually I don't want to know about his views on Gelatinous Cubes.

Reposted to fix glaring spelling error. Seriously, how do you even manage to misspell 'his'?

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(no subject) - [info]rennyn_alerothi, 2009-12-07 01:28 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sukeban, 2009-12-07 01:55 am UTC
my thoughts on gelatinous cubes. let me show you them. - [info]tianxiaode, 2009-12-07 04:10 am UTC
Re: my thoughts on gelatinous cubes. let me show you them. - [info]omnicrom, 2009-12-07 08:45 am UTC
Re: my thoughts on gelatinous cubes. let me show you them. - [info]lady_jafaria, 2009-12-07 05:38 pm UTC
Re: my thoughts on gelatinous cubes. let me show you them. - [info]tofuknight, 2009-12-07 07:15 pm UTC
Re: my thoughts on gelatinous cubes. let me show you them. - [info]msmanna, 2009-12-08 12:34 am UTC
Re: my thoughts on gelatinous cubes. let me show you them. - [info]omnicrom, 2009-12-08 06:56 am UTC
Re: my thoughts on gelatinous cubes. let me show you them. - [info]cmdr_zoom, 2009-12-08 12:58 am UTC

[info]jkefka
2009-12-06 09:17 pm UTC (link)
Bahaha, D&D has the best wankers.

My point was that magic is feasible because intelligent human beings believed in it for a very long time.

Really? Awesome, does that mean that scientology is feasible too? Or are we restricting "intelligent" to people who play tabletop RPGs here? Also, Beholders? Really? That's the most improbable thing you could think of in D&D? Clearly you play with very uncreative DMs.

Realism? In an RPG? Classic font of good wanky bullshit. Good news: No-one's mentioned FATAL yet.

...oops

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Also - [info]lillyv, 2009-12-06 09:59 pm UTC
Re: Also - [info]b_jellybean, 2009-12-06 11:06 pm UTC
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... - [info]ianthefira, 2009-12-08 05:27 am UTC
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... - [info]ianthefira, 2009-12-07 07:37 pm UTC
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[info]the__ivorytower
2009-12-06 09:26 pm UTC (link)
Ooh, I wonder if my friend's in that, she hangs out on rpg.net and actually likes 4th edition. I'll admit, while I hear a lot of negative things about it, it sounded pretty neat to me (though apparently it needs cards, or something, but that may just be to make things easier).

Also, did he refer to fucking Plato?! Caves and shadows, oh boy...

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(no subject) - [info]victoria_wayne, 2009-12-06 10:18 pm UTC
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[info]ardath_rekha
2009-12-06 10:15 pm UTC (link)
When I googled "Louis Cachet," the results were amusing. So far as I can tell, this fella has no prior experience reviewing (something I suspected in light of the huge number of typos and word-misuses). And the first thing Google pulls up is the announcement of his banning for abusive behavior.

I'm also amused by the notion that anyone who has always disliked a gaming system would believe that they could produce an objective review on the merits and shortcomings of its latest iteration.

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(no subject) - [info]ari_o, 2009-12-07 12:13 am UTC

[info]istaerlus
2009-12-06 10:16 pm UTC (link)
The beholder is one of my least favorite monsters but I still don't see how he could have picked that out as the number one worst thing about the game. And he seems to have a very low mythology insult threshold if he thinks mythology monster and original monster appearing together is so horrible. I'd love to see his reactions to most post-Tolkien fantasy fiction, or Shadowrun for that matter.

And when did red and black become feminine colours? If I can squint I can almost see red as being feminine, as being connected with blood shed during child birth or something. But I would have to completely ignore all the instances where red has been referred to as a masculine color. And black just came out of left field.

Also, if he thinks monsters, including vampires, have to stay exactly the same as they originally were in mythology I'd love to send him a copy of Twilight and watch his head explode.

Our (not my own only) home brew does it well.
Is this entire wank about him insisting his home-brew game is better then D&D, seriously?

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[info]gusty
2009-12-06 10:35 pm UTC (link)
Besides, the authors are taking real mythic creatures and turning them into silly looking cartoons that does not resemble the myths whatsoever.

Pokemon must really piss this guy off, then.

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KoL tangent
[info]keri
2009-12-06 10:47 pm UTC (link)
And my appreciation for the He-Boulder has just increased tenfold.

I knew it was based on the beholder, but having this little bit of wank to remember every time I point my Hebo at an opponent and use its yellow eye to disintegrate the monster, leaving behind phat loots? It's fantastic.

(I'm a horrible Hebo owner and only use its yellow ray. It comes out twice in a run, then goes back into the terrarium until later.)

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[info]keri
2009-12-06 10:49 pm UTC (link)
Also L O L at the 'You' vs. 'you' thing - because English is exactly like German and Dutch and the rules for capitalization are the same!

That was a beautiful little insert into the wank, I must say.

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[info]stella_polaris
2009-12-06 10:59 pm UTC (link)
Whatevs but is the topic line a reference to Futurama?

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[info]damnedsolovey
2009-12-06 11:16 pm UTC (link)
So magic is feasible, but vampires are just a lesbian fantasy.

Huh. I feel like I should be taking notes or something.

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(no subject) - [info]damnedsolovey, 2009-12-06 11:21 pm UTC

[info]doctor_x
2009-12-06 11:49 pm UTC (link)
Colours are usually black and red = feminine colours.

Yeah I literally stared at this and went O RLY because I wasn't aware that red or black were considered "feminine colors."

& someone should tell the Twilighters about vampires being a lesbian fantasy just to see how they'd respond.

- chasethesiness @ lj

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[info]poisonyoulove
2009-12-07 12:25 am UTC (link)
You are right, and I feel like a guy who left the cave, in the analogy of the cave. I know the shadows we are watching (in D&D and other games) are just shadows, and I have seen what created these shadows, but when I return to tell the others about what I saw, I face only mockery.

When I made a shadow on my window shade
They called the police and testified
But they're like the people chained up in the cave
In the allegory of the people in the cave by the Greek guy

No one understaaaaaaands
NO ONE KNOWS MY PLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!

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(no subject) - [info]blue_penguin, 2009-12-07 07:51 pm UTC

[info]mercutia
2009-12-07 12:26 am UTC (link)
From the "fantasy monsters not being called by the right names" link above:

A KOBOLD is a German name for GOBLIN.

A HOBGOBLIN is not larger, but smaller than the GOBLIN.


Does anyone else get a mental image of him with a yardstick and a tape measure? In a theme park? Saying, "OK, Lars, you're a goblin, so you can ride the log flume. Sorry, Hans, but you're only a hobgoblin, I'm afraid you have to stick to the carousel"?

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(no subject) - [info]rennyn_alerothi, 2009-12-07 01:34 am UTC

[info]chikane
2009-12-07 12:27 am UTC (link)
I think the vampire thing is a lesbian thing. It's like an exchange of bodily fluids without involving any male body parts

Like kissing? Well...it's nice to know that we have the monopoly on all the nice things, I guess.

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[info]msilverstar
2009-12-07 12:30 am UTC (link)
That's one of the more faily reviews I have ever read, pretty misses every possible point. D&D started the whole genre of RPGs, as he'd have known if he took a tiny little look, and the words 4th Edition indicate it's not just a newly invented game. Sure, Gygax stole his monsters from everywhere: remember when he tried to trademark "Orc"?. Sure, it's aimed at teenagers, but is flexible enough to be usable by everyone.

In conclusion: DUH.

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[info]ianthefira
2009-12-07 01:03 am UTC (link)
I admit, I'm not-that-happy about 4th ed (hi, been playing since mid-2nd ed run) but... uh. That is highly silly.

...In conclusion, beholders are awesome because they eat adventurers.

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(no subject) - [info]rennyn_alerothi, 2009-12-07 01:31 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ianthefira, 2009-12-07 01:33 am UTC
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[info]cmdr_zoom
2009-12-07 01:03 am UTC (link)
MY fantasy is MORE MATURE and HISTORICALLY ACCURATE than YOURS, which is brightly colored and intended for adolescent boys. I know this because of my learnings. (Let me show you them.)

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(no subject) - [info]rennyn_alerothi, 2009-12-07 01:33 am UTC
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[info]rennyn_alerothi
2009-12-07 01:29 am UTC (link)
I'm sure that Strahd Von Zarovich would be very gratified to know that he's a lesbian fantasy.

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(no subject) - [info]harukami, 2009-12-07 02:28 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]cmdr_zoom, 2009-12-07 04:52 am UTC

[info]anonyrat
2009-12-07 02:04 am UTC (link)
I love beholders, mostly because it's pretty much impossible to draw them without a stupid expression on their face. Old editions made them look like they were grinning, 3rd ed introduced the Angry Beholder, and there's one picture in the recent 4e monster manual where it looks like the beholder has gotten some bad acid and is about to freak out at the bugs climbing his walls.

But, yeah, quite frankly I'm surprised RPGnet isn't featured here more often. Between the Edition Wars and the "where all the women at?" flamewars that crop up every month or so...

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(no subject) - [info]ianthefira, 2009-12-07 07:07 pm UTC

[info]harukami
2009-12-07 02:06 am UTC (link)
This gentleman appears to hate fun.

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[info]risha
2009-12-07 02:20 am UTC (link)
Actually, I've seen the traditional vampire myth described as a metaphor for heterosexual sex. The woman is penetrated by the male's fangs, which places her in his power.

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