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insignificant other (snacky) wrote in fandom_wank,
@ 2009-12-14 13:52:00

Entry tags:

animals, bitter so bitter, crazy people, enormous clusterfuck, i want to be a hero on the internets, lying liar that lies, magic relatives, mistaken identity, mod wank, not very subtle at all, not you again, passive-aggression with tags, person: turimel, person: victoria bitter, potter fandom will not be outwanked!, stop giving strangers money you idiots, thinks we're fandom police

The Not So Triumphant Return of Victoria Bitter, aka thanfiction, part 2
Just some links that might have got lost in the faily shuffle of the last post:

cesare finds thanfiction's icons interesting.

Guess the celebrity in thanfiction's "original" artwork.

~~FW's nemesis old friend~~ FanHistory owner and Fandom's Public Enemy #1, Laura Hale joins the circus.

His son? A bird. (PROOF!)

Turimel updates her LJ with screencaps.

Famous last words. :( :( :(

ETA:

HOLD THE PHONE, IT JUST GOT BETTER! BLAME IT ON HIS EVIL TWIN SISTER!

Can this get any more ridiculous? I can't even imagine, but I'm sure VB will think of something.

ETA, again: Link courtesy of

sockpuppeteer and

luvscharlie: Witness Andrew Blake dressed up as Bill Weasley!

Reminder: please use male pronouns when referring to VB/thanfiction, and leave the transfail in the other post, thanks.

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abharding
2009-12-16 06:39 pm UTC (link)

Thinking about it, and thinking about where ThanFiction lives maybe the "twin sister" is not a new lie. Making "her" evil, that might be new, but "her" existence? She might be something he came up with a while ago to explain why he knows about things a little girl would know about or maybe to explain who the little girl in family photos are. If TF is trying to pass a cismale, then he would need something. A twin sister would be a good lie.

As to why he would do that? Well I can't imagine that be trans anywhere, but in southern part of Va? That is where you start to get into the South and with all the military bases there? I can see why he would be reluctant to admit to being trans even if he wasn't a liar in every other way.

Just a thought.

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	vasaris 2009-12-16 10:43 pm UTC (link)
	Yet, there would be no pictures of the two of them together... I can see making it up, but it's not well thought out for long-term. Of course, the odds of bringing someone home to mummy and daddy while claiming to be a cismale seem pretty low to me, unless mummy and daddy are in on it. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	moonjaguar 2009-12-17 05:32 pm UTC (link)
	That's peacuz Andy was taking the picture, you silly billy! ^_^ (Reply to this)(Parent)

urpletastic
2009-12-16 10:45 pm UTC (link)

Totally agree with this; I also suspect that the 'evil twin sister' is not a new creation at all - it has a real smack of a childhood excuse to it. In fact it's not totally impossible that we're dealing with somebody who potentially has multiple personalities in the clinical sense and genuinely believes that Personality A and Personality B are quite separate individuals and not responsible for one another's actions.

This is not by way of excusing the criminality, you understand, but it may go a long way towards explaining the compulsive element and the transparency of some of the stories told. If you were knowingly making stuff up, wouldn't you do a better job?

I have to admit, I'm oddly fascinated by the whole scenario.

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	vasaris 2009-12-16 10:55 pm UTC (link)
	Everyone who thinks that Amy/Jordan/Andrew could use some in-patient therapy, raise your hands! raises hand (I could care less about the gender thing, but the compulsive new identities and crazyass backgrounds? Someone needs to get to the bottom of that.) (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	napalmnacey 2009-12-17 02:27 am UTC (link)
	You couldn't care less. (Sorry, I'm just totally OC about that one. And I'm not being facetious or joking, I have OCD! LOL). (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	kumquat_of_doom 2009-12-17 04:24 pm UTC (link)
	I don't have OCD, but that one really fucking annoys me too, so ta. ;) (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

napalmnacey, 2009-12-17 07:44 pm UTC

abharding
2009-12-16 11:43 pm UTC (link)

I am not sure I would go that far. I think Andy is well aware that he is/was Amy. At most I think he (Andy) sees Amy as who he was and someone he no longer wished to be. (Female, a con artist, a thief)

As for why the story is coming apart? It could be because he never considered that the past would catch up with him. And it looks like he has gotten away with it for a number of years, so it is not completely crazy for him to think he could continue to get away with it. Now that his fannish past has caught up with him he is scrambling to find away out.

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lady_ganesh
2009-12-17 12:18 am UTC (link)

I wonder if it's not as well-developed as a multiple personality but is something of a persona he made up-- he's a boy, he's always been a boy, this 'girl' is just an evil twin of his that doesn't really have anything to do with him.

Shit, now I'm starting to feel sorry for him again. Good thing all I have to do is remember 'his son is a sparrow' to cheer right back up....

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	eleutheria 2009-12-17 12:21 am UTC (link)
	Every time I start feeling sorry for him, I remember how many victims he's left behind. That's usually enough to cure me of it. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	cmdr_zoom 2009-12-18 10:29 pm UTC (link)
	Same here. (Reply to this)(Parent)

issendai
2009-12-17 06:01 am UTC (link)

If you were knowingly making stuff up, wouldn't you do a better job?

I don't think so. It's textbook behavior for pathological liars to NOT do a better job. Because they lie all the time, compulsively, unstoppably, they tell too many lies to keep straight. They also seem to lose track of what's believable; they toss out so many tall tales, and get so many people to believe them for a little while (or at least politely refrain from calling them out), that their own bullshitometer goes out of whack. Add in a touch of narcissism, as with VB, and you have a liar who will say anything as long as he can make it fly for a minute or two.

Also note that VB is excellent at creating inner circles of people hand-picked for their gullibility. That's a sign of boundary-testing of the sort that con men and abusers do; it's not typical of people with dissociative disorder.

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urpletastic
2009-12-17 07:48 am UTC (link)

It's textbook behavior for pathological liars to NOT do a better job. Because they lie all the time, compulsively, unstoppably, they tell too many lies to keep straight.

Not to nit-pick, but I think that counts as 'unknowingly' or 'unconsciously' making stuff up, i.e. when you can't actually help it. I was thinking more of deliberate criminality, which is often better crafted. I'm leaning to the view that the person involved just can't stop the lies even if they try, even if they really mean to, even if they actually want to, so that kind of makes it less intentional in my book - if no less objectionable.

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issendai
2009-12-17 09:12 am UTC (link)

I never got the impression that pathological/compulsive liars lied unconsciously, or that the compulsion was as uncontrollable as, say, Tourette's symptoms. I agree with you that Andy probably can't stop lying for long. However, the content of his lies doesn't seem to be out of his control. He wants to project a definite image of himself, and his lies build toward that; he lost coherence when he panicked, but his lies are still running along the same track. If he wanted to not exploit other people, he could create a different persona--but he doesn't, and that's where the intentionality comes in.

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duraniedrama, 2009-12-17 05:39 pm UTC

	es_ 2009-12-17 09:35 am UTC (link)
	Ugh, thank you. This person is not suffering from DID/MPD. People need to stop playing internet psychologists. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	You know it's true. issendai 2009-12-17 09:56 am UTC (link)
	(I am the only competent Internet psychologist.) (Reply to this)(Parent)

	urpletastic 2009-12-17 10:26 am UTC (link)
	Okay, I thought the language I used had made it clear that I was speculating on the basis of no actual direct knowledge, but maybe not. Obviously you have more information on the subject. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	theorclair 2009-12-17 03:57 pm UTC (link)
	There's actually a name for this sort of lying: pseudologica fantastica. (Reply to this)(Parent)

ekaterinv
2009-12-16 11:10 pm UTC (link)

Erm, southern Virginia is not exactly some hugely dangerous right-wing nutbar area. At all. Virginia has a ton of colleges, and Williamsburg itself is in southern VA. I've spent a lot of time in Virginia, and it's one of the few places I could see myself living if I had the chance to move. Also, I live near a HUGE military base in the south at the moment, and I think anyone who doesn't "fit in" regarding gender or sexuality is a lot safer here than they would be in the small northern town where I grew up.

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	panthea 2009-12-17 02:35 am UTC (link)
	I'm always kind of amused, in a rather irritated sort of way, how so many people automatically assume The Entire South = 100% NO QUEERS ALLOWED. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

puipui
2009-12-17 02:53 am UTC (link)

Yeah, a lot of people tend to think it's red state / blue state, when almost every state is somewhere on the purple spectrum, if you average everywhere out. It depends a lot on the town, especially the size of the town and the average age of the residents there.

Which reminds me that Houston, TX just elected an out lesbian for mayor. She has a partner! They have three adopted children! This is only tangentially related to the point, I just like talking about it because it makes me happy. Yay, gay mayor! :D

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alcesx2, 2009-12-17 04:09 am UTC

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puipui, 2009-12-17 06:58 am UTC

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jupiterpluvius, 2009-12-17 06:14 am UTC

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theorclair, 2009-12-17 03:58 pm UTC

panthea, 2009-12-17 05:36 pm UTC

dico, 2009-12-17 08:40 am UTC

	artimusdin 2009-12-17 04:25 am UTC (link)
	Yes. This. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	ekaterinv 2009-12-17 04:27 am UTC (link)
	And the converse would be The Entire North = happy huggy funtimes for all! I get this picture of all the Mennonites and Quakers who went to my grandparents' church in the Shenendoah running around looking for people to repress. It amuses me. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

ekaterinv, 2009-12-17 04:28 am UTC

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dico, 2009-12-17 08:44 am UTC

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dico, 2009-12-17 12:46 pm UTC

	uldihaa 2009-12-17 05:22 pm UTC (link)
	This. I live in VA Beach,with it's Marine base and Naval Air Station, and can say I haven't seen more 'OMG Teh Ghey! Burn It!' than I've seen anywhere else. I realize it's meant to be a joke, but it's kinda annoying to keep running into that particular sweeping generalization. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

panthea, 2009-12-17 05:35 pm UTC

	paladin 2009-12-18 12:12 am UTC (link)
	This x 10^15. (Reply to this)(Parent)

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