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bacon_lover
2009-12-17 09:22 am UTC (link)

OMG Turimel let it go! I get it. This person stole your money, dicked you over, and is now maybe doing the same with others. You want them out of fandom, you're still mad, you hate the outlandish claims, and it's the focus of your life now.

What the hell am I saying, this wank is gold.

Turimel, I still have my doubts. I need fingerprint comparisons. DNA analysis. Bloodtypes. Weight charts. I won't be convinced until you write another book about this and turn it into a movie starring Nicholas Cage.

WHERE'S YOUR PROOF YOU WINGNUT?!

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cesare
2009-12-17 09:40 am UTC (link)

Whaaaa. "Let it go" is great advice when a con artist disappears from sight and you have to move on with your life. But people are potentially, right now, getting snookered into giving VB/Andrew Blake more money and help. All that proof Turimel's collected over the years could possibly stop someone else from being conned.

I'm lolling at the idea that after six years of Turimel harping on VB and OB, now is the moment when she should let it go. This is when the fixation is finally coming in handy!

--Unless you were just setting up your joke, in which case, disregard.

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	bacon_lover 2009-12-17 06:01 pm UTC (link)
	Just goin' for the joke. I do think turimel made her point a long time ago, and is now beating beating ~~her wife~~ this horse to death--which is fantastic, and I hope she keeps going. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	urpletastic 2009-12-17 10:21 am UTC (link)
	Don't you have a fire somewhere you could be pouring petrol on? For everyone saying 'let it go' there's another one saying 'ogod I wish someone had warned me'. On that basis alone, turimel should certainly keep going. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

bacon_lover
2009-12-17 05:55 pm UTC (link)

Don't you have a fire somewhere you could be pouring petrol on?

See, that's what I'm hoping for! I want to fan the flames of this wank, cause I'm here to point and laugh. I don't really care if a bunch of people get robbed, or if they use that cash to actually go to a con for fanfic. I guess I'm happy that someone's saying 'watch out,' but it wouldn't bother me if nobody said anything. I guess I have apathy and compassion for these people.

If it was just a warning, turimel wouldn't seem ridiculous to me. But she posted a grudgewank, deleted it/got the banhammer, and I love her for it. All these pictures, and a birth cirtificate? Wanky and great. She's bitter, so bitter--and it warms the cold stone that is my heart.

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	ardath_rekha 2009-12-17 11:11 am UTC (link)
	Maybe this'll help? http://wweek.com/story.php?story=5307 I'd probably be a little obsessed if a sociopath stuck me with a $10,000 debt, too. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	kuromitsu 2009-12-17 11:43 am UTC (link)
	Yeah... if someone betrayed my trust and my friendship, and scammed me of so much money and left me in debt ($10k it's ~2 million in my currency, of course my currency sucks but it's a lot of munnies), sure, I'd get on with my life sooner or later but I'd probably hold the grudge forever. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	es_ 2009-12-17 01:26 pm UTC (link)
	I think it doesn't really help that she is still saddled with their debts. It's a little hard to move on when you keep getting bills at the door because they used your personal information to purchase 300 bucks' worth of talk time, or used your name to rent an apartment and bailing without paying. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	kuromitsu 2009-12-17 02:30 pm UTC (link)
	Wow. That's just low. She may be overreacting but she has every reason to. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

bacon_lover
2009-12-17 09:26 pm UTC (link)

You had me at "VB". But there's something kinda funny about someone waiting and snarling for 6 years(?!), and then pouncing in with a whole bunch of transfaily, wanktastic overreacting.

I love this wank. I want more grainy photos of VB in pajamas, or eating a burger, or standing next to Bigfoot or Nessie. I want to hear that thanfiction's move to Sac-town is just because that's where the launching pad is for the moon shuttle, or that's where he'll meet up with the subterranean lizard rulers of the world after pseudiciding--and I want to hear it from another unsubstantiated, anonymous source.

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vasaris
2009-12-17 10:27 pm UTC (link)

It's the oddest thing -- for the last few years the most Turi has done, really, is report Amy/VB/Jorda/now-Andrew sightings, or put up a quick report of things that others have told her about, since she's kind of VB central.

It's weird to me to call that 'snarling.' I mean, if you're looking at the journal in one go, I suppose.

*feels need to disclaim the above statement as a general observation that isn't particularly aimed at anyone*

/puzzled

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	lady_ganesh 2009-12-17 08:33 pm UTC (link)
	And this, kiddos, is why you never co-sign for a loan you're not prepared to pay off yourself. I mean, I feel bad for her, I understand why she's still angry, but...man. I hope I never fall for something like this. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

phosfate
2009-12-17 10:19 pm UTC (link)

You never buy (or, for that matter, sell) anything in fandom unless you're prepared to eat the money -- convention membership, fanzine, art commission, anything. Outright con jobs like this are thankfully uncommon, but as a group we often have more enthusiasm than common sense or planning ability, and even the most carefully planned and executed project can turn into a fiasco. A hotel double-books a convention and a huge wedding on the same weekend. Somebody's car fails, and the only resource that will enable them to fix the thing and continue making a living is the $300 in the zine printing account. A family member's illness or death makes finishing that illustration a lot less of a priority. An accounting hitch means that all the convention art show checks bounce.

It doesn't happen often, but it does happen, and it will happen to each of us at least once.

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lady_ganesh
2009-12-18 03:57 am UTC (link)

One of my fandom friends put a zine together and lost her partner-- who was getting them the printer-- just as the thing was ready to go to press. I fortunately knew a girl who knew a girl, as they say, but there was a lot of work put into something that almost didn't go into print. And then she had to pre-pay, of course, and hope that people would actually buy it.

It's a lot of gambling, even when it's not huge amounts of money.

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vasaris
2009-12-17 10:30 pm UTC (link)

Amen. I know where she got her undegrad (I went there) and it's a place full of very smart people who often lack the streetwise skill. I have these moments of 'why the fuck would you do that?' and then remember 'You went to HMC. Like the rest of us, you probably lack some fairly important life skills ~~which is totally made up for by being forced to learn elementary forms of engineering, I tell you!~~'

Not all of us are real world social idiots, but a lot of us are.

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	cmdr_zoom 2009-12-17 11:28 pm UTC (link)
	Brilliant people who have to be reminded to wear warm clothes when it's cold? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	turimel 2009-12-17 11:32 pm UTC (link)
	Exactly. Or not to prepare Egg Salad on top of the brand new billiards table. What can I say, we're a bunch of Poindexters. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	vasaris 2009-12-19 10:37 pm UTC (link)
	snorts So, true. On the other hand, the cannon incident is inspired -- and did I ever tell you about the time South built one, just for the hell of it? Okay, the engineers did. The rest of us were sort of staring at them, because, dude, what? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	turimel 2009-12-19 10:44 pm UTC (link)
	SOUTH? As in Apathy Dorm? I can see North Dorm building a cannon and using it to fire vile things at East. But South? lived in South for 2 years, tried to throw a corridor party once, only Westies showed up... (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

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vasaris, 2009-12-19 10:52 pm UTC

vasaris
2009-12-18 09:56 am UTC (link)

Essentially. And while the composition of the student body may have changed, there were a fair number of geniuses who were also freaking naive about people.

(As my mom was a parole officer for most of my life, I admit I *mostly* don't have that problem... Mine comes from trying to deny the 'people are selfish assholes' reaction so hard that I'll trust because otherwise I'd live in a complete vacuum... and then get bit, 'cause my instinct were right on. Ah, well.)

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	lady_ganesh 2009-12-19 06:34 am UTC (link)
	Her journal also indicates that she has something of a history with people she cares about dicking her around, so that may have been part of it too. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	vasaris 2009-12-19 10:34 pm UTC (link)
	Oh, that too. I was just noting that she might have trusted/cared a titch too easily. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

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	cesare 2009-12-18 11:46 pm UTC (link)
	Turimel did win the fight over the $10,000 eventually and didn't have to pay it, but she had that hanging over her head for years. That's the kind of thing that makes for a lot of sleepless nights. No one's going to forget that kind of experience in a hurry. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	white_serpent 2009-12-18 02:08 am UTC (link)
	I think I love you. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	rotten_fish 2009-12-19 12:26 am UTC (link)
	I definitely need at least an episode based on this from Cold Case, Criminal Minds and America's Funniest Home Videos before I believe any of it! (Reply to this)(Parent)

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