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kaen ([info]kaen) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2010-03-15 16:57:00


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Yesterday over at rvb_slash (a community for Red vs. Blue slash) one of the mods makes a post saying, basically, I know I don't do much active modding, so are there any suggestions you all have for improving the community?

It should have been clear this wasn't going to go well when the first comment is from somebody saying how they've left the community because it's gotten so awful, and then snarking at the next commenter when she says she's happy with it.

Other people show up agreeing that it's gone downhill and there's a decent amount of wank in the first post, but it really takes off when the mod makes a second post addressing some of the concerns that came up.

So, what's made the community become so awful that it's apparently driven off a bunch of old-timers and made one of the biggest wanker in the posts "[decide] the fandom needed saving" and feel like he's been holding the fort until things improve? Have oodles of trolls shown up while the mod wasn't paying attention? Has the community been flooded with off-topic posts?

No, it's because everyone who's joined since October '08's fanfiction is bad and they should feel bad. They don't say exactly why October '08 (mid-October '08 to get even more specific) is so clearly the start of it's downfall, but they're very certain that's it.

While there's wank scattered all over the place in the two posts, my personal favorite part would have to be [info]lvsinsanity insisting that fanwork about Freelancers shouldn't be allowed in the community unless those Freelancers have been seen interacting with the Red or Blue team, because clearly "Red vs. Blue Slash" refers to the teams instead of the name of the series. When people point out that it is named after the series, and any character that appears in it is fair game, lvsinsanity's response is that they're interrogating the text from the wrong perspective her way of viewing things makes perfect logical sense and Freelancers still don't belong there.

Another thing to keep an eye out for is [info]primalreligion insisting all over the place that a certain character (York) should never be in slash fic because even though it never came up in canon there was an interview somewhere, he can not remember where, that says he was married.


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[info]jkefka
2010-03-17 06:41 pm UTC (link)
Another thing to keep an eye out for is [info]primalreligion insisting all over the place that a certain character (York) should never be in slash fic because even though it never came up in canon there was an interview somewhere, he can not remember where, that says he was married.

We're talking like astral-plane married here, aren't we.

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[info]cmdr_zoom
2010-03-17 06:41 pm UTC (link)
Serious business indeed.

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[info]jupiterpluvius
2010-03-17 08:01 pm UTC (link)
Here are some people who have been married to someone of the opposite gender:

Oscar Wilde
Elton John
Rock Hudson

I say no more.

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[info]jupiterpluvius
2010-03-17 08:05 pm UTC (link)
Although Gyles Brandstreth's Oscar Wilde-as-detective novels are kind of the opposite of slash: he puts great emphasis on the idea that Oscar Wilde is really interested in sex with ladies, whom he finds hot and sexy and he wants to sex their ladyness, and the reason people think that Wilde is interested in sex with gentlemen is that he doesn't judge those who like sex with gentlemen, even though it is less interesting to Oscar Wilde than the hot ladysexing.

Now, yeah, it does seem like Wilde was interested in sex with ladies (not just his wife, but other ladies before and during his marriage), but depicting Oscar Wilde as not interested in sex with gentlemen at all--let alone even more interested in sex with gentlemen than in sex with ladies--does not seem to me to be an accurate depiction of the historical record.

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[info]cmdr_zoom
2010-03-17 08:30 pm UTC (link)
Sexual preference: yes, please

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[info]re_weird
2010-03-17 09:10 pm UTC (link)
Wait, what? Was he bisexual then? Or is that totally the wrong question to ask?

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[info]kuromitsu
2010-03-17 10:32 pm UTC (link)
Well, he did have two sons...

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[info]phosfate
2010-03-17 11:47 pm UTC (link)
Goin by his actions, yes. As for how he felt about the whole business, hard to say. He certainly liked his wife, but whether he, er, really dug her or was just closing his eyes and thinking of England...perhaps it's best to say it's none of our business.

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[info]phosfate
2010-03-17 11:49 pm UTC (link)
Going. I can spell good.

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[info]jupiterpluvius
2010-03-18 05:43 am UTC (link)
He had extramarital affairs with ladies as well as with men, so the "lay back and think of England" thing is unlikely. Also, he seems to have loved his wife a lot--it was just that he also liked to have sex with lots of men and some other ladies.

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[info]jupiterpluvius
2010-03-18 05:44 am UTC (link)
"Lie back and think of England" obviously. My migraine apparently has a poor grasp of English grammar.

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[info]enrythe8th
2010-03-18 05:36 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, I'd heard somewhere along the line that Wilde was bisexual, but then a lot of other people said he was gay, and Teleny kind of made me say "Umm, yeah, probably." But it's good to know. Bisexuals: Team Fabulous.

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[info]jupiterpluvius
2010-03-18 05:49 pm UTC (link)
He didn't write all of Teleny, though. Maybe he wrote some of it (I doubt) but it's obvious to everyone except John MacRae that it was written by several people, one of whom perhaps was Oscar Wilde.

MacRae's arguments that Wilde was the sole author of Teleny remind me of the "Chewbacca Defense" bit from South Park.

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[info]enrythe8th
2010-03-18 05:53 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, I know. I heard somewhere that he just edited it. But some bits of it are just so him that it's not even funny.

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[info]lissibith
2010-03-18 12:36 am UTC (link)
Another thing to keep an eye out for is primalreligion insisting all over the place that a certain character (York) should never be in slash fic because even though it never came up in canon there was an interview somewhere, he can not remember where, that says he was married.

As far as I'm concerned, poor York can use all the love he can get. In a show full of unfortunate characters, he never seems to get a break.

You know, I can't imaging the RvB guys don't end up hearing about this stuff. I wonder if they're more amused at the stupid of the internet or just hope never to see it...

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[info]yanderelove
2010-03-18 05:45 am UTC (link)
I do recall a possibly-true-story about the guys who did the voices of Grif and Simmons finding a Grif/Simmons fanfic and one of them reading it to the other in a hotel room, or something similar. I wish I could remember where it was to link it.

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[info]felinephoenix
2010-03-18 08:13 am UTC (link)
Awwwww. I love it when creators/actors/etc have fun with slash. (For another example, see the steamy Hot Fuzz slash tweets.)

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[info]kaen
2010-03-18 09:20 am UTC (link)
The RvB guys definitely like having fun with the slashers. For instance, check out last year's Valentine's Day short.

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[info]lissibith
2010-03-18 01:54 pm UTC (link)
Ahaha! I forgot completely about that. Oh RvB... man, now I want it to be April 1. Start the new season already!

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[info]kaen
2010-03-18 02:38 pm UTC (link)
I've never really been able to ship the pairing myself, due to a combination of Caboose being too incredibly stupid for me to trust that he's capable of informed consent and liking Church too much to want to inflict a relationship that would probably make his head explode on him, but things like that make me fully believe that at least Caboose loves that man.

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[info]lissibith
2010-03-18 05:57 pm UTC (link)
I pretty much agree with that. I cannot even conceive of how that would work. Still, it was cute, and better than a great many similar things from other series, so I chalk it up to rule of funny and remind myself that I don't hold the PSAs to be canon.

Huh. You know, this wank and these comments are actually making me want to go to this community and read some of the work there. :-/

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[info]lady7jane
2010-03-18 01:15 am UTC (link)
Personally, I can say for the last year and a half that I've still been here, and honest to someone's God I haven't enjoyed a single thing.

Who are these people who can afford to spend their free time on being miserable? And why aren't they hiring themselves out as punching bags?

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tetradecimal
2010-03-18 03:48 pm UTC (link)
I've read a year and a half's worth of your revolting, hot, sexytimes slash.

BUT I DIDN'T ENJOY A MINUTE OF IT.

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[info]dragonfangirl
2010-03-18 01:24 am UTC (link)
You sort of have to feel sorry for that mod.

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[info]kahrohseh
2010-03-18 04:49 am UTC (link)
I watched this as it unfolded, being my main fandom and all. All I could think was that it seemed like baby's first wank. Needs more macros.

I heard from someone involved they did indeed end up making a Freelancer comm, though, but that it had some absurdly bad name (pfl_ficplus or something? I can't even remember). My friends and I all agree it should have been freelancerpower.

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[info]rotten_fish
2010-03-18 05:03 am UTC (link)
Freelancer power ACTIVATE! Shape of - tiny talking bomb guy!

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[info]kaen
2010-03-18 06:02 am UTC (link)
Yeah, when the announcement for the Freelancer comm popped up on my friends list I had to stop and squint at it for awhile, wondering why in the world someone would think that was the best possible name for a community.

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[info]lissibith
2010-03-18 01:56 pm UTC (link)
pfl... what does that even stand for? (and why do I keep reading it as rofl?)

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[info]kaen
2010-03-18 02:02 pm UTC (link)
Project Freelancer. It took me kind of ridiculously long to figure it out what the name had to do with Freelancers. "Is Pennsylvania/Florida/Louisiana a popular OC OT3 I've somehow missed noticing? But there is no Florida! Man, poor Florida."

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[info]tofuknight
2010-03-18 03:33 pm UTC (link)
As someone living in Pennsylvania, I think Penn/Florida/Louis threesome is HILARIOUSLY out of character.

I also have no idea what this Red v Blue is.

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[info]kaen
2010-03-18 03:58 pm UTC (link)
Hee, well the state names are just codenames for characters who don't actually need to be from those places (at least one of them isn't even an American), so they could go ahead and do things that would be completely mortifying to the citizens of their namesakes.

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[info]lissibith
2010-03-18 06:00 pm UTC (link)
OHHHHH!

Now I feel like a dumbass. And I also now wonder if "poor Florida" isn't a commentary on a love triangle that went HORRIBLY WRONG.

And I also think there's part of me that would read that and laugh.

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[info]rotten_fish
2010-03-18 05:02 am UTC (link)
I had no idea there was a fandom for this internet show and it excites me beyond all reason!

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[info]yanderelove
2010-03-18 05:42 am UTC (link)
Oh my gosh, RvB slash!! I used to draw so much terrible animu Tucker/Church fanart for that comm! I'm kinda sad to see them here, I have such fond memories :C Actually there seems to be a lot more members now. It was relatively pretty quiet back then.

This wank is like standing outside a school reunion and watching through a window as my old classmates argue. I'm actually kinda surprised Kaid is still around. She was lovely and awesome from what I remember.

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[info]kaen
2010-03-18 06:16 am UTC (link)
Ha, Tucker/Church was the only reason I even joined the community, though I've developed a weird liking for Church/Grif too. So, like the people wanking away in there I'm not interested in the vast majority of fic that gets posted in the community, but unlike them I realized going in that them's just the breaks of only liking a few pairings when you join a comm that isn't pairing-specific.

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[info]yanderelove
2010-03-18 06:52 am UTC (link)
Hi five, Tucker/Church buddy! (: But yeah, it seems Tucker has never been one of the most popular in slash. I'm not sure why, I speculate maybe because he has less tendency to angst than the other characters. Even back when I was still posting I only saw him pop up in like a 3rd of fics at most. It's silly to get stroppy about it though!

It's so weird, I actually got my bi-monthly urge to draw that pairing again a couple of hours before I saw this entry. They are a really tough OTP to shake, the buggers!

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[info]kantayra
2010-03-18 06:16 am UTC (link)
Another thing to keep an eye out for is [info]primalreligion insisting all over the place that a certain character (York) should never be in slash fic because even though it never came up in canon there was an interview somewhere, he can not remember where, that says he was married.

Married people are never gay. TRUFAX!

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[info]kaen
2010-03-18 06:45 am UTC (link)
And the person he's supposed to be married to isn't even alive by the time he shows up in the series, so it's not like he'd even be breaking his wedding vows if he preferred/was equally interested in men but was a big believer in the sanctity of marriage.

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[info]re_weird
2010-03-19 10:27 am UTC (link)
Or bi!

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[info]stella_polaris
2010-03-18 08:50 pm UTC (link)
So since I have no idea what fandom R vs B is, for my own amusement I'm going to pretend it's Republicans/Democrats slash.

Shipnames:

Democlicans.

Republicats.


Pubecrans.


(So would Palin/Clinton be... Hilton? Or Salary?)

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[info]cyndra_falin
2010-03-19 07:47 am UTC (link)
Another thing to keep an eye out for is [info]primalreligion insisting all over the place that a certain character (York) should never be in slash fic because even though it never came up in canon there was an interview somewhere, he can not remember where, that says he was married.

This person is not familiar at all with how slash goes, are they?

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[info]kaen
2010-03-19 09:12 am UTC (link)
Seriously, if the posts hadn't been large enough when I woke up and saw them that I never I was going to end up writing them up here I don't know that I would have been able to hold back the urge to ask if he's ever been in a fandom before this. I mean, it's not just slash that will ignore canonical love interests and hook characters up with people they've never shown any interest in, it's all over shipping in general!

Not to mention the tons of people who don't feel like they need to pay attention to supplementary canon like that even if they did dislike slashing people who have het love interests in canon.

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