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sailorjpg ([info]sailorjpg) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2010-04-27 22:54:00


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Current mood:Nosy
Entry tags:fanart, fandom: sailor moon, flouncing, oppression

Moooon....Cooosssmiiic....Leaving Deviantart FOREVAAR!!!
So, BNF artist Drachea Rannak was accused of tracing. The SailorSenshi-Unite DeviantArt group has a discussion about it (Now deleted, but a comparison image is here).

Apparently people trolled Drachea's DA, even though Drachea did indeed cite his source on the image.

Drachea ragequit's DA. Fans BAWWW.

But it gets more fun, people! There's an impostor in their midsts! So what does SailorSenshi Unite do? Declare war, of course.

Get this one while it's hot, I expect that things will vanish.

EDIT: Drachea's GOODBYE FOREVAAA! message:

"Guys... I am just being real.

I DON'T WANT THIS.

Trying to make things right just wont do apparently. So I give up. Coward much?

Perhaps.

But I am simply tired of being bashed and trolled and called names non stop.
Its not fun to spend most time flagging spam messages and reporting trolls than interacting with you guys. Even if I wanted to, it got to a point where it is impossible. Interface wise, its impossible.

I am sorry to disappoint you... but this is not healthy.

I don't want all this negativity for the name of a character I love so much, I don't want to not to be able your messages because of the spam flood. DA was supposed to be fun, a place I like to come to, and its been a while since I felt that way.

So I am leaving.

My reports were never answered and DA would just keep silence and keep allowing all this to happen. So I bet DA is trying to tell me I am not wanted here. Even though guys I know thousand of you want me to stay, I just cant.

So PLEASE don't write me comments telling me how awesome I am... I know that and its all because of you. For your constant support and love, fanart that Ive been saving for the last three hours so I can keep it with me, to remind me the good times.

Also, I don't want you to tell me how they win, what I coward I am, how I gave up, how I am proving them right... Its really for a practical reason that I am living. Not because of them, but because of Deviant Art. They just don't want me here. PERIOD

I sent notes already for the commissioners that already paid me, and I plan to do so for the commissioners that are on my waitlist as well.

Also, I contacted people I still owe prizes and the judges for the Sailor Dwarf contest so we can keep it going even though I wont be here. I trust them to manage them well

Will I create another account? Not by now, not here, but who knows? Perhaps somewhere else. YET, I have a lot to take care to worry about that. In any case, I will allow my most trusted people here to inform you where to find me.

I will leave this journal for the next hours as a signal of respect for you, to let you know my motives and not just plain leave with no explanations.

Please save your energy of writing long comments. If you want to do something for me, copy and paste this journal for all the fans that are not going to be able to read this after I close my account.

Its been a pleasure you all. I will never forget how much I learned here And I will miss you all... for real

I will" (c)

Also as a public service, someone is displaying Drachea's art.
OBJECTION!!!

EDIT II: Oh so much more!
I have found the original accusations my wankas!
Post the first.
"Also a filthy liar"
"Good riddance" complete with livestream.

The whole situation made The News! DA News that is.
Possible sock account.




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[info]sylvacoer
2010-04-28 01:35 pm UTC (link)
OOOOoooooohhhh, so that's what all that was about! Huh. *head-tilt* He sent me a note about the commission I paid him for a couple months ago, and I just thought he was being courteous about the time delay. There was nothing in the note about him leading, it was quite businesslike and to the point, without any indication of drama. Sounds quite different from everything I'm reading from the links.

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tetradecimal
2010-04-28 02:20 pm UTC (link)
"There is a little less color in my world..."

"If its a 'traced' image which supposedly he admitted (I could be wrong I'm learning this second hand) it was... he was better off not posting it online. You should never post material that's gonna set you up to get flack from a group of folks with an 'agenda'. "

Pfffaaaahhhhahhahahahahahaha

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(no subject) - [info]cyndra_falin, 2010-04-28 10:55 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]seiberwing, 2010-04-29 06:31 pm UTC
Go kitty! - [info]syncopation, 2010-04-30 12:02 am UTC

[info]dragonfangirl
2010-04-28 02:40 pm UTC (link)
Hmmm, I'd kind of like "Moon power FLOUNCE" as well.

It's always nice to see wanking in the classic fandoms as well. These Bleach and Twilight wanks are nice, but do they have continuity?

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[info]dragonsong12
2010-04-28 02:53 pm UTC (link)
So, is he going to return as a leveled-up super version of himself, with 20% more sparkles and an even longer transformation sequence?

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(no subject) - [info]meagenimage, 2010-04-28 03:26 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]missdeep, 2010-04-28 03:32 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]meagenimage, 2010-04-28 03:45 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ladyofviolets, 2010-04-28 04:56 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]meagenimage, 2010-04-28 04:57 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]tehrin, 2010-04-28 05:21 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]mochibuni, 2010-04-28 05:36 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]librarianmouse, 2010-04-28 05:43 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]cmdr_zoom, 2010-04-28 05:57 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]meagenimage, 2010-04-28 06:43 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]melkahb, 2010-04-28 08:00 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]mochibuni, 2010-04-28 08:03 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]paladin, 2010-04-29 09:16 pm UTC

[info]hylidae
2010-04-28 04:27 pm UTC (link)
Good to see the grand tradition of creating new sailors, by tracing old ones is still going on.

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(no subject) - [info]ecchaniz0r, 2010-05-01 02:50 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]judyhazeleyes, 2010-05-01 06:49 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ecchaniz0r, 2010-05-05 12:17 am UTC

[info]tehrin
2010-04-28 05:16 pm UTC (link)
Is that another fanartist or official merchandise artwork that they traced over? It reminds me of a phone card I saw in the nineties.

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(no subject) - [info]alexa, 2010-04-28 05:38 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]tehrin, 2010-04-28 09:33 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ecchaniz0r, 2010-05-01 02:51 am UTC

[info]alexa
2010-04-28 05:44 pm UTC (link)
Oh, I wish someone had gotten caps of the seven or eight journal entries he posted addressing the issue, pre-flounce. One of them had a line that went something like, I'm not sure you know but I kinda have, like, a huge army of followers on dA. If I was copying art [without credit], don't you think one of them would have said something?

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(no subject) - [info]alexa, 2010-04-28 05:57 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]alexa, 2010-04-28 08:14 pm UTC
(no subject) - tetradecimal, 2010-04-28 08:24 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]alexa, 2010-04-28 08:28 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]seca, 2010-04-28 11:02 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]randomsome1, 2010-04-28 06:01 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]mcity, 2010-05-01 04:30 am UTC

[info]mochibuni
2010-04-28 05:46 pm UTC (link)
I'm not entirely surprised Drache has been accused of tracing considering how the style for their SM artwork is nearly identical to the more recent SM World images (though that's really not a difficult style to emulate). Buuuut, it's obvious that they can draw, sooo...

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(no subject) - [info]seca, 2010-04-28 06:17 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]mochibuni, 2010-04-28 07:14 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]luxshine, 2010-04-28 07:45 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]mochibuni, 2010-04-28 08:00 pm UTC
(no subject) - tetradecimal, 2010-04-28 08:29 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]willywanka, 2010-04-28 09:15 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]singe, 2010-04-28 09:22 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]mochibuni, 2010-04-28 09:33 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]beejium, 2010-04-29 05:33 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]willywanka, 2010-04-29 01:31 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]brennalarose, 2010-04-28 09:22 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]kaen, 2010-04-29 12:54 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]mochibuni, 2010-04-29 01:09 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]kaen, 2010-04-29 04:12 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]alexa, 2010-04-29 12:36 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]tofuknight, 2010-04-29 04:32 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]luxshine, 2010-04-29 06:04 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]visp, 2010-05-01 03:18 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]mochibuni, 2010-05-01 03:31 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]seca, 2010-04-28 11:07 pm UTC

[info]frau_eva
2010-04-28 07:26 pm UTC (link)
This really brings up an ethical question for me. Fanart is already copyright infringement of the characters, even if it's accepted to the point where you can sell it openly. If he's not making money on the image, isn't he just infringing on the same entity he was by making fanart in the first place? I mean, if he'd ripped off another artist on DA or was selling it, I'd think this was terrible.

Besides the fact that this is the most obvious tracing pretty much ever. I haven't been a fan of Sailor Moon for years, but I didn't need that reference to think "Oh, yeah, that really nice pic of Jupiter."

Um, yeah, sorry for not bringing the funny. D: I just wanted to know if anyone else wondered this.

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(no subject) - [info]hector_rashbaum, 2010-04-28 09:19 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]alexa, 2010-04-28 09:36 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]frau_eva, 2010-04-28 09:40 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]hector_rashbaum, 2010-04-28 10:16 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]kuromitsu, 2010-04-28 10:23 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]kuromitsu, 2010-04-28 10:22 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]dragonsong12, 2010-04-28 10:23 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]frau_eva, 2010-04-28 10:48 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]dragonsong12, 2010-04-28 10:57 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]greenling, 2010-04-29 01:59 am UTC
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(no subject) - tetradecimal, 2010-04-29 04:43 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]mcity, 2010-05-01 04:33 am UTC

[info]varethane
2010-04-28 08:19 pm UTC (link)
Wank?! On deviantart!?!?? Whhooooooaaaa.


Why do people do that kind of shit? It's morally and socially wrong, and it hurts others' feelings most of all! I think it should be illegal to post comments criticizing or hurting someone, unless the criticizm is constructive!

Take the high road, Sailor Lightning Rod! Don't stooop to their level! It's only a matter of time before the law is on our side...

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(no subject) - [info]nounbeast, 2010-04-28 08:27 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sylvacoer, 2010-04-28 08:55 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]dragonfangirl, 2010-04-29 04:42 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]tofuknight, 2010-04-29 04:33 pm UTC
(no subject) - tetradecimal, 2010-04-28 08:46 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]kita0610, 2010-04-28 09:19 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]cmdr_zoom, 2010-04-28 10:23 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]cinnamonical, 2010-04-29 01:20 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]tofuknight, 2010-04-29 04:33 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]phasmas, 2010-04-29 09:53 pm UTC

[info]seca
2010-04-28 09:08 pm UTC (link)
Have a couple of links that could be added to the report.

First off he had and still does so far a fan club on DA and his flounce message has been posted up there: http://drachearannak-fc.deviantart.com/

And this one is pretty optional but someone found a site that has some of his other artwork up for those not familiar with his work: http://e-shuushuu.net/search/results/?page=1&tags=11304

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(no subject) - [info]alexa, 2010-04-28 09:13 pm UTC
Reposted for botched html - [info]tehrin, 2010-04-28 09:20 pm UTC
Re: Reposted for botched html - [info]mochibuni, 2010-04-28 09:35 pm UTC
Re: Reposted for botched html - [info]bigbigtruck, 2010-05-02 09:35 pm UTC
Re: Reposted for botched html - [info]frau_eva, 2010-04-28 09:59 pm UTC
Re: Reposted for botched html - [info]tehrin, 2010-04-28 10:02 pm UTC
Re: Reposted for botched html - [info]alexa, 2010-04-28 10:03 pm UTC
Re: Reposted for botched html - [info]cmdr_zoom, 2010-04-28 10:25 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]cinnamonical, 2010-04-29 01:26 am UTC
And another link for consideration. - [info]seca, 2010-04-29 08:05 am UTC
(no subject) - tetradecimal, 2010-04-29 07:24 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]farmercuerden, 2010-05-01 11:03 am UTC

[info]sailorjpg
2010-04-28 09:30 pm UTC (link)
My reports were never answered and DA would just keep silence and keep allowing all this to happen. So I bet DA is trying to tell me I am not wanted here.

He hasn't a clue how long it takes DA to answer reports, does he? No. Clearly it's a plot against him personally.

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(no subject) - [info]dragonsong12, 2010-04-28 09:56 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]cmdr_zoom, 2010-04-28 10:23 pm UTC

[info]moljn
2010-04-28 09:47 pm UTC (link)
Maybe I'm ignorant, but why would you need to trace *that*? Shouldn't a decent artist be able to draw that on their own? Nice pic, but I don't see anything tricky about it, is what I'm saying.

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(no subject) - [info]white_tean, 2010-04-29 08:55 am UTC

tetradecimal
2010-04-28 09:52 pm UTC (link)
I like how one of the reasons drachea could never be an art thief is because he possesses FECOGNIZABLE DRAWING STYLE.

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(no subject) - [info]nounbeast, 2010-04-28 10:07 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]kuromitsu, 2010-04-28 10:08 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]varethane, 2010-04-28 11:22 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]worstangel, 2010-04-28 11:38 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]tehrin, 2010-04-29 05:45 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]bobafeis, 2010-04-29 09:12 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]tofuknight, 2010-04-29 04:36 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ivalice, 2010-04-29 09:27 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]bobafeis, 2010-04-29 09:17 am UTC

[info]kuromitsu
2010-04-28 10:40 pm UTC (link)
This reminds me of the people who blindly defended Nitta Youka when she was caught plagiarizing fashion ads (among other things - there was an extensive catalogue of stuff she'd traced with no credit whatsoever but I've lost the link). Her defense was "I didn't know it was a crime."

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(no subject) - [info]solesakuma, 2010-04-28 11:15 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]mochibuni, 2010-04-29 12:03 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]alexa, 2010-04-29 12:46 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]kuromitsu, 2010-04-29 12:40 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]solesakuma, 2010-04-29 12:52 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]kuromitsu, 2010-04-29 01:35 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]kuromitsu, 2010-04-29 01:36 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]palabradot, 2010-04-29 02:46 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]kuromitsu, 2010-04-30 09:43 am UTC
(no subject) - tetradecimal, 2010-04-29 04:14 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]cmdr_zoom, 2010-04-29 07:55 am UTC

[info]chienne
2010-04-29 05:13 am UTC (link)
My reports were never answered and DA would just keep silence and keep allowing all this to happen. So I bet DA is trying to tell me I am not wanted here. Even though guys I know thousand of you want me to stay, I just cant.

"Since DeviantArt didn't make banning all of my trolls their number one priority, they must HATE ME. Therefore, I am LEAVING FOREVAR."

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(no subject) - [info]melkahb, 2010-04-29 10:50 pm UTC

[info]maximuski
2010-04-29 05:57 am UTC (link)
PLEASE don't write me comments telling me how awesome I am... I know that

lol, okay!

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(no subject) - [info]zumie_ashlen, 2010-04-29 09:49 pm UTC

[info]white_serpent
2010-04-29 06:27 am UTC (link)
I'm the only person who's still stuck on the fact that he named himself after Drachea Rannak, aren't I?

He seems to be doing his level best to live up to the name.

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(no subject) - [info]cmdr_zoom, 2010-04-29 07:53 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]seca, 2010-04-29 08:07 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]white_serpent, 2010-04-29 02:46 pm UTC
(no subject) - tetradecimal, 2010-04-29 04:37 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ahiru, 2010-04-29 04:58 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]cmdr_zoom, 2010-04-29 11:43 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]khym_chanur, 2010-04-30 01:57 am UTC
Anyone playing bingo for this?
[info]seca
2010-04-29 08:41 am UTC (link)
Apparently it has been discovered that he may have another DA account, here: http://luisazo.deviantart.com/

And it does look to be a sock puppet account, seeing that the art style, as well as what he draws (x-over Sailor Scouts and hunks) for the work in the journal is so eerily similar with Drachnea's. Also the recent 26APR journal entry reads a lot like Drachnea, especially with the "but that feeling is really because this site... this comunity doesn't care about us..." line. I think the only thing that work against it being a sock puppet account is that it's 4 years old, but seeing as the journal is picking up with updates since Drachea's flounce I think that's not going to help prove that it's not very well.

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Re: Anyone playing bingo for this? - [info]sailorjpg, 2010-04-29 08:50 am UTC
Re: Anyone playing bingo for this? - [info]luxshine, 2010-04-29 06:00 pm UTC

[info]demonbean
2010-04-29 01:42 pm UTC (link)
So I bet DA is trying to tell me I am not wanted here. Even though guys I know thousand of you want me to stay, I just cant.

Understandable. I often list to the side myself when someone fails to solve my problems for me.

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(no subject) - [info]melkahb, 2010-04-29 10:54 pm UTC

[info]laerwen
2010-04-29 02:40 pm UTC (link)
From the "news" page:

And the fact that DA has yet to instigate some kind of humanitary protection for these people is beyound me.

"Humanitary"? Is this moron somehow really comparing an "artist" flouncing off a website to actual IRL political refugees? Someone call a waaambulance and Hillary Clinton! It's an international emo-gency!

constant flamming from out of control "artists" this great and precious soul, was FORCED to leave.

"flamming"? D:

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(no subject) - [info]acrimonious, 2010-04-29 03:55 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]laerwen, 2010-04-29 05:06 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]melkahb, 2010-04-29 10:58 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]laerwen, 2010-04-30 06:55 am UTC

[info]acrimonious
2010-04-29 03:54 pm UTC (link)
I don't get these people. Even if they defend Drachea to the death, he will (probably) not become their boyfriend. He probably wouldn't draw their frilled-out palette swaps of Venus, either.

Actually, even if they paid him for an actual commission, he still wouldn't draw it for them, or at least not the important bits like the pose or the face. He'd dig up an obscure piece of anime paraphernalia and trace it in Photoshop, then draw in the frills and send it in.

I admit, jealousy probably plays a role in it -- personally, I'd love to be able to get wildly popular and pull in loads of commission work by duping a horde of drooling, ignorant fanbrats that would rather look like an idiot defending me than admit that they were wrong.

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(no subject) - tetradecimal, 2010-04-29 04:32 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]melkahb, 2010-04-29 11:06 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]dragonfangirl, 2010-04-30 12:52 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]mcity, 2010-05-01 04:37 am UTC

[info]kuromitsu
2010-04-29 05:04 pm UTC (link)
From the News page comments:

"there really needs to be a policy specifically to protect "popular" artists, for this very reason, b/c they are put up on a pedistal, they are more prone to cyber bullies."

WON'T SOMEONE THINK OF THE BNFS ;___;

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(no subject) - [info]cmdr_zoom, 2010-04-29 08:57 pm UTC

[info]sokudoningyou
2010-04-29 05:13 pm UTC (link)
Just because I can, I'm just going to toss in that Takeuchi herself has copied from other people's work. Not that it excuses anything, and I don't think she traced the image, but I know she basically copied her picture of Black Lady in her second artbook directly from a perfume ad. (Except, obviously, the pink hair and upside down crescent). So...I don't know what my point is. I guess that it's not as uncommon as we think?

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(no subject) - [info]sokudoningyou, 2010-04-29 05:27 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]kuromitsu, 2010-04-29 06:21 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sokudoningyou, 2010-04-29 06:49 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]kuromitsu, 2010-04-29 07:40 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]mochibuni, 2010-04-29 09:40 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]mochibuni, 2010-04-29 09:44 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sokudoningyou, 2010-04-29 10:38 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]tehrin, 2010-05-01 03:19 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]acrimonious, 2010-04-29 05:52 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]alexa, 2010-04-29 06:26 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]cmdr_zoom, 2010-04-29 08:56 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]seca, 2010-04-29 09:51 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]kuromitsu, 2010-04-30 01:02 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]waterfall8484, 2010-04-30 02:19 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]kuromitsu, 2010-04-30 02:27 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ecchaniz0r, 2010-05-01 02:53 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]mochibuni, 2010-04-30 01:12 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]tehrin, 2010-05-01 03:24 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]alexa, 2010-05-01 03:33 am UTC

[info]syncopation
2010-04-29 08:47 pm UTC (link)
That DA News post reads like a eulogy.

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(no subject) - [info]skypirate, 2010-04-29 10:32 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]melkahb, 2010-04-29 11:09 pm UTC
Right? - [info]syncopation, 2010-04-29 11:59 pm UTC
Re: Right? - [info]cmdr_zoom, 2010-04-30 01:06 am UTC
Re: Right? - tetradecimal, 2010-04-30 05:34 pm UTC
Re: Right? - [info]laerwen, 2010-04-30 06:56 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]catremistrae, 2010-04-30 01:41 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]irised, 2010-04-30 02:42 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]catremistrae, 2010-05-01 08:43 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]tofuknight, 2010-05-02 08:06 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]irised, 2010-05-04 02:00 am UTC
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