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insignificant other ([info]snacky) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2010-05-03 10:09:00


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Entry tags:author entitlement, authors, creator wank, doesn't mean what you think it means, fanfic, suck it up and deal, writers are often pompous douches, your kink is not okay

Diana Gabaldon, author of the wildly popular Outlander series, has an opinion on fan fiction: I think it’s immoral, I _know_ it’s illegal, and it makes me want to barf whenever I’ve inadvertently encountered some of it involving my characters.

Highlights include:


  • Writing fanfic is just like breaking into someone's house.
  • Fanfic is WAY WAY WAY TOO PORNY omg ick people have sexual fantasies!*
  • What to do about an auction offering fanfic to raise money for a cancer patient? She doesn't want to "seem heartless"! So she seeks advice in the comments. Which are mostly full of "Fanfic? I have never heard of such a despicable load of garbage! Also, CRUSH THAT CANCER PATIENT!"



ETA: Unpublished author Eddie Louise (who cannot write the word "shit" and seems to fail spectacularly at reading comprehension) offers fanfic writers A CHALLENGE! Accept it if you dare, sniveling pedo thieves!

ETA 2: Previously, Ms Gabaldon has said fanfic is like selling your children into white slavery. Well. Now. I don't even know what to do with that.

ETA 3: Smart Bitches, Trashy Books has some discussion on the topic.

ETA 4: And bookshop on LJ/DW has a rebuttal.

ETA 5: See what happens when I leave the sweet embrace of the internet for a few hours? Ms. Gabaldon updates her blog!

ETA 6: Evidently Ms. Gabaldon deleted all evidence of her hissyfit, but some wankas have screencaps in this thread.

ETA 7: [info]kate_nepevu has screencaps and the text of Gabaldon's posts here. And via [info]alchemynerd, more screencaps available here:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/tiz4vp
http://www.sendspace.com/file/ibidpj
http://www.sendspace.com/file/r6zik6
http://www.sendspace.com/file/hlknqo
http://www.sendspace.com/file/d9alsh

Thanks for all the links! :)




MOD REMINDER: Remember, my little wankas, we DO NOT troll the wank. Nor do we write fanfic after the author has specifically requested people not and post it in the comments here, no matter how tempting it may be. Carry on. oh god my inbox ow ow



*Just as a point of interest, I was a bookseller for 12 years, and had several customers tell me about the sex scenes in her books. Some were pro ("My friend told me to read these books for the sex scenes, and she was totally right, they are so hot, this is best thing to happen to my sex life in years!") and some were con ("What is up with all the sex all the time? Where's the story?"), but one thing you can't say about her books is that they're sexual-fantasy free. :D


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[info]pariforma
2010-05-03 04:38 pm UTC (link)
So searing touches, silky thighs, and ecstasy are bad, but Jack Randall nailing Jamie Fraser's hand to a table, then orally and anally raping him are okay? Thanks, Diana, glad to know that.

I used to like her novels--until she got so interested in showing off her historical research that she lost track of little, minor details like PLOT.

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[info]lady_ganesh
2010-05-03 04:40 pm UTC (link)
but Jack Randall nailing Jamie Fraser's hand to a table, then orally and anally raping him

...wow I'm suddenly glad I never read these books. Wow.

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[info]pariforma
2010-05-04 04:46 pm UTC (link)
You are not alone, apparently.

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[info]dqbunny
2010-05-05 08:07 am UTC (link)
WHAT????? Well there went any enjoyment that I ever derived from that series - which granted that in and of itself didn't last the first book.

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[info]snarkhunter
2010-05-06 03:40 am UTC (link)
I didn't know about the hand-nailing, but I knew about the rape. And it's only *one* of the reasons I have absolutely no desire to read this series.

(Also, Gabaldon claims she's not writing romance. Also, she's full of shit.)

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[info]sepiamagpie
2010-05-03 04:41 pm UTC (link)
...terror.

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[info]cleolinda
2010-05-03 04:42 pm UTC (link)
Say what?

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[info]pariforma
2010-05-03 04:58 pm UTC (link)
No, seriously. Follow me closely here: Jack Randall, who happens to be the forefather of heroine Claire's 20th-century husband, has captured her and... has some reason to turn her over to the authorities, I forget. Her 18th-century hubby Jamie offers himself to Randall in exchange for Claire's freedom, knowing that he will be sexually tortured because Randall is a bisexual sadist with a particular yen for Jamie. Some weeks after his (of course) rescue (which IIRC involves letting a herd of Highland cattle into the prison), Claire wrings the story out of him. There's penetration, hand-nailing, branding, and the extra humiliation of being made to climax.

I Am Not Making This Up. And there's weirder if less hard-core porn in later books.

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[info]lady_ganesh
2010-05-03 05:07 pm UTC (link)
And again I say: Wow.

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[info]quantumreality
2010-05-03 05:22 pm UTC (link)
I think my icon says it all here.

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(no subject) - [info]pariforma, 2010-05-03 05:23 pm UTC

[info]atom_bunny
2010-05-03 05:51 pm UTC (link)
D:

*Makes note to avoid these books like the plague.*

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[info]randomsome1
2010-05-03 05:52 pm UTC (link)
Wasn't his admission of all this immediately followed by healing sex?

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(no subject) - [info]pariforma, 2010-05-03 05:53 pm UTC
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[info]khym_chanur
2010-05-03 06:18 pm UTC (link)
Porn-heavy romance that involves time travel? Sign me up!

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(no subject) - [info]pariforma, 2010-05-03 06:19 pm UTC
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Sorry-- - [info]pariforma, 2010-05-04 04:49 pm UTC
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[info]sgaana
2010-05-03 10:01 pm UTC (link)
Everything Pariforma says is true, true, true.

Except she forgot the part where Randall ALSO branded Jamie (on the thigh?) with his signet ring, and after Jamie was rescued, pretty much the first thing he did was take a knife and just cut out that whole area.

(Also the part where Claire was threatened with rape by some freakishly large minion if Jamie didn't take her place.)

... Yeah. To say that those parts of the book stuck with me would be an understatement. You know how every once in a while, something (and why is it always a kind of questionable something that you wouldn't WANT stuck?) gets stuck in your head so that years later, YEARS, at random times, the wording and the images of that thing will just pop up out of nowhere, vivid as the day after you read them?

WHYYYYY? I could be using those perfectly good brain cells for SO many other things! (I think it's the same part of the brain that long-term stores Oldies songs, advertising jingles from the 70s, and humiliating moments from junior high school.)

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[info]morwyn
2010-05-05 09:14 am UTC (link)
Outlander also means never having to say you're kidding, apparently.

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[info]oxfordcomma
2010-05-03 05:03 pm UTC (link)
Aren't her sex scenes fairly florid, too?

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[info]pariforma
2010-05-03 05:04 pm UTC (link)
Oh yes--at least R-rated, and two major characters (at least) get raped.

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(no subject) - [info]quantumreality, 2010-05-03 05:22 pm UTC
More like four, actually. - [info]lotus79, 2010-05-05 04:14 pm UTC
Re: More like four, actually. - [info]pariforma, 2010-05-05 04:20 pm UTC
Re: More like four, actually. - [info]magistera, 2010-05-05 06:59 pm UTC
Re: More like four, actually. - [info]mockingbird, 2010-05-06 02:23 am UTC

[info]randomsome1
2010-05-03 05:51 pm UTC (link)
I think her losing the plot was a cunning plan to shift over from the romance novel section to literature.

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[info]dejla
2010-05-03 06:00 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, I got to that point and never read another word.

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[info]pariforma
2010-05-03 06:05 pm UTC (link)
I made it through Voyager and struggled with Drums of Autumn before giving up. At first I seriously thought that reading fanfic had shortened my attention span too much; I used to love big novels (LOTR, Mists of Avalon). Eventually I realized it wasn't me, for pity's sake. Why do so many series go downhill after the first book or two? (Jean Auel, Jacqueline Carey, you bet I'm looking at you.)

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[info]sylvacoer
2010-05-04 05:43 am UTC (link)
That bit shocked me, but what really made me put the book down was the clunky historical exposition and the time-space travel that was harder for me to keep track of than A Wrinkle in Time or That Hideous Strength. Bleh.

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[info]irised
2010-05-04 06:52 am UTC (link)
Oh my god, did I seriously read all that? Holy shit, I'm remembering that now now. I think I might have read all that. I may have flipped forward through some of it. Either way, wow. I guess I had a higher threshold for horrible disturbing shit 6-7 years ago @_@ and to think that my strongest memory of the series, apart from the historical research, was that I liked it for it's humour ...

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[info]theelusiven
2010-05-04 03:01 pm UTC (link)
If this is how uptight she gets when someone writes fanfiction of her husband completely fictional hero having sex with her his completely fictional wife, I'd hate to see the kind of batshit she'd spin if someone married him on the astral plane.

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[info]kirsten
2010-05-04 06:47 pm UTC (link)
I actually kind of want to read that series now. At least that scene. Oh, fandom... you have desensitized me so. :'(

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[info]dropdeadred
2010-05-07 06:49 pm UTC (link)
I've tried to read the fourth one a couple of times now, but it's just blah blah blah. The first was great, then they just got more and more unnecessarily wordy. 1600 pages each, really?

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