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Laurie ([info]knitmeapony) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2010-05-14 09:22:00


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Entry tags:author entitlement, authors, can't escape the screencaps

Second verse, same as the first: Katherine Kerr hates your fanfic.
Katherine Kerr, editor of Weird Tales of Shakespeare and author of Celtic myth and Dungeons and Dragons 'inspired' novels decides to create another derivative work: her thoughts on yaoi.

A number of people on LJ have been expressing their views on fanfic, so I thought I'd add mine. I despise it.

http://aberwyn.livejournal.com/181755.html Deleted!

Caps of first post:
via alchemynerd on LJ: http://www.sendspace.com/file/7ovake
via alchemynerd on LJ: http://www.sendspace.com/file/nsjfzd
Perhaps you'd prefer PDF: http://knitmeapony.com/fw/kerr_kerfuffle_page1.pdf
Or HTML, via maneman on LJ: knitmeapony.com/fw/katherine_kerr_career_suicide.html


And this includes the professional transformative works:

If someone can think of no better idea than to take a classic kid's book series and try to wring a few more bucks out of it, like the whole 'Wicked' series, then they should get a real job.


Comment #2 is fellow author Jim Hines getting a bit snarky with the idea. She backpedals mightily in the face of a professional author.

There are disappointed fans! She replies to her own post rather than editing it!

Not to mention mocking, accusations of trolling, and weird discussions of how fanfic is like embroidery or other crafting.

First post deleted, with explanation: Because people got "offensive": http://aberwyn.livejournal.com/182244.html Also deleted, cap of this, courtesy of [info]zulu http://tinypic.com/r/akzz1d/5

Then there was a third post, which I missed entirely, dubiously titled "what's wrong with talking about quality?" Cap, courtesy of [info]woodenleg http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/5620/swrongwithtalkingaboutq.png


And when the second and third posts were deleted, a martyrish post went up here: http://aberwyn.livejournal.com/182619.html

Lordy, yet another post, preserved below. Edit: Post deleted, but thankfully preserved.

And one (final?) post, this time with comments turned off:

Summing up
1. 3 or 4 of the posts in the mobbing stage were interesting and intelligent; they made a nicely reasoned defence of fanfic. Good for you! You might have changed my mind if it weren't for the others.

2. The rest of the 200 or so posts actually proved my points about poor writing skills, lack of cultural knowledge, and lack of imagination, since they repeated each other's thoughts in varying degrees of inarticulate language. One person, in a post I screened by disallowed, even used a toilet reference that was supposed to embarrass me. He also seemed to think I'm man, oddly enough.

3. A sloppy syllogism for those who didn't get the B'rer Rabbit point:
A. I dislike fanfic and don't want anyone writing it about my work.
B. If you don't read my work, you can't write about it.
C. Therefore threatening to ignore my work does not injure me in any way. Rather, I'm relieved that you won't.

4. The mobbing was not merely rude to me. We can agree on the point that the flip tone of my original post deserved the response it got. However, the mobbing was rude to all the regular readers of this space. It bored them, it cut off their right of discussion, and I suspect it convinced some of them that my original post's opinion of fanfic writers was in the main correct.


Personally, I think this fanfic of the Diana Gabaldon kerfuffle has a paucity of imagination. And relatively dull.


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[info]rodo
2010-05-14 05:53 pm UTC (link)
Well, she's concise, at least. I much prefer this rant to Diana Gabaldon's passive-aggressive tl;dr posts.

They are in the same boat as embroiders who buy pre-cut yarn, pre-painted canvas needlepoint kits.

And my grandmother was so proud of me when I'd finished one of those (I was the only one of her granddaughters who utterly sucked at everything that had to do with needles). I guess my family shouldn't have encouraged such hobbies as paint by numbers.

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[info]naive_wanderer
2010-05-14 05:59 pm UTC (link)
How dare you partake in any craft that gives such guidelines! You're only allowed to embroider if you make your own patterns! And spin your own yarn!

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[info]dez_chan
2010-05-14 07:24 pm UTC (link)
And raise your own sheep! And card your own wool!

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[info]naive_wanderer
2010-05-14 07:28 pm UTC (link)
We'll have no frivolity here! Hobbies should be work, after all!

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[info]dez_chan
2010-05-14 07:45 pm UTC (link)
What are we, Puritans?

...I'd have more to say, but the boyfriend started playing Brutal Legend and I'm a little distracted (speaking of mindless frivolous fun).

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[info]tehrin
2010-05-15 01:38 am UTC (link)
Unrelated to the wank, but has to do with carding and wool, I love this and I thought I'd share.

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[info]alana
2010-05-14 06:10 pm UTC (link)
They are in the same boat as embroiders who buy pre-cut yarn, pre-painted canvas needlepoint kits.

... MY DEAD GRANDMOTHER USED PRE-PAINTED CANVAS FOR HER EMBROIDERY. THE HELL.

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[info]bobgenghiskhan
2010-05-14 06:13 pm UTC (link)
Mine too. IT IS NOW ON.

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[info]tofuknight
2010-05-14 06:34 pm UTC (link)
Joining the head count.

*RAEG*

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[info]lady_ganesh
2010-05-14 06:14 pm UTC (link)
My mom's one and only cross-stitch project was one of those and it took her forever. It's really pretty too.

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[info]sylvacoer
2010-05-14 08:07 pm UTC (link)
I couldn't even manage to do one of those. ^^; (It was the needles! They had it in for me, I swear!)

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[info]firebird308
2010-05-14 11:03 pm UTC (link)
Ditto. I couldn't get the fucking thread through the eye of the needle and eventually gave up. It's not like the needle was tiny either. -_-

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[info]adevyish
2010-05-15 07:47 am UTC (link)
I have those feed-the-thread-into-the-needle things (don't know what they're called in English). Can't live without them.

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[info]judyhazeleyes
2010-05-16 01:17 am UTC (link)
I've tried, but my hands are really, really sweaty, so they always wind up staining the yarn. Same with knitting, crotcheting, sewing - i hate my sweaty hands :/

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[info]zumie_ashlen
2010-05-15 12:04 am UTC (link)
Wha-buh--BUT THAT'S ALMOST ALWAYS HOW KIDS GET STARTED OFF LEARNING NEEDLEPOINT?!

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[info]jess_d_ripper
2010-05-15 01:59 am UTC (link)
Hobbies are evil!

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[info]anonyrat
2010-05-15 03:03 am UTC (link)
I tried embroidery free-hand once. It kinda sucked.

I also use pre-built findings for my jewelry, because the effort involved in, say, making my own ear wires and headpins is way higher than the actual return.

One could probably say the same about basing your novel off of a D&D campaign, what?

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Beware the wrath of the cross stitcher
[info]librarianmouse
2010-05-15 07:33 am UTC (link)
Using the pre-painted canvases is harder than just the plain white or cream. They never print the image on the fabric so that it lines up with the little holes you're supposed to stitch in, so you have to decide where to end one color and start the next, and if it's a dark color on the canvas and a light color of thread you can still see it through the stitch and it looks like you messed up EVEN THOUGH YOU TOTALLY DIDN'T!

Sorry. I apparently have more invested in my hatred of pre-painted canvases than I had previously realized. I'll just be mopping up.

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Re: Beware the wrath of the cross stitcher
[info]rodo
2010-05-15 10:35 am UTC (link)
They never print the image on the fabric so that it lines up with the little holes you're supposed to stitch in,

Yes. It's incredibly frustrating. Not to mention that the colours on the canvas sometimes look so different from the yarn that you're not really sure which yarn to use and sometimes they don't give you enough yarn of one colour and then you have to improvise ...

I'll help with the mopping.

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Re: Beware the wrath of the cross stitcher
[info]librarianmouse
2010-05-15 08:05 pm UTC (link)
Then, they call one color "goldenrod" and another color "medium gold" and you have absolutely no idea which is supposed to be which.

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Re: Beware the wrath of the cross stitcher - [info]rodo, 2010-05-15 08:12 pm UTC
Re: Beware the wrath of the cross stitcher
[info]jonquil
2010-05-15 09:12 pm UTC (link)
And you have to figure out how to manage the borders so that they don't have horrible jaggies; in a cheap canvas they've just cheerfully printed curves everywhere with *no* thought given to how they'll translate into squares or even quarter-squares.

I think I shall go cut out some soothing soothing bias now.

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Re: Beware the wrath of the cross stitcher
[info]yattara
2010-05-16 12:26 am UTC (link)
My sister and I learned to stitch on that. Until Mum took it away and gave us proper fabric to practise on. We were struggling with it, she says. I don't remember, it's been 20 years.

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[info]jonquil
2010-05-15 09:09 pm UTC (link)
That one amused me because needlework (I do counted cross-stitch) is my favored analogy for why fanfic is a hobby. The idea that all hobbies are meaningless unless they are pursued to professional levels as Art -- why?

Do we demand that model railroaders aspire to being engineers and yard controllers?

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[info]napalmnacey
2010-05-17 12:00 pm UTC (link)
This. I'm a professional artist. Being a professional artist is hard, hard work. But I get a lot of joy out of painting, and I love helping people who just want to paint for fun. I'm all for it. I don't care if not everyone is Leonardo Da Vinci. All I care about is that people enjoy being creative, because to be creative is to be human. I don't care if their work isn't at a professional level.

I just don't get why people don't appreciate the inherent joy in that.

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[info]funwithrage
2010-05-18 03:15 pm UTC (link)
It's the Stop Having Fun Guys thing.

I mean, there are people out there who feel offended by Rock Band because OMG PLAYING REAL MUSICAL INSTRUMENTS IS WAI HARDER GUYZ, like we didn't know that.

It's like there's some kind of stigma against just enjoying yourself. Can we blame the Puritans? Because I like blaming the Puritans.

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