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Laurie ([info]knitmeapony) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2010-05-14 09:22:00


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Entry tags:author entitlement, authors, can't escape the screencaps

Second verse, same as the first: Katherine Kerr hates your fanfic.
Katherine Kerr, editor of Weird Tales of Shakespeare and author of Celtic myth and Dungeons and Dragons 'inspired' novels decides to create another derivative work: her thoughts on yaoi.

A number of people on LJ have been expressing their views on fanfic, so I thought I'd add mine. I despise it.

http://aberwyn.livejournal.com/181755.html Deleted!

Caps of first post:
via alchemynerd on LJ: http://www.sendspace.com/file/7ovake
via alchemynerd on LJ: http://www.sendspace.com/file/nsjfzd
Perhaps you'd prefer PDF: http://knitmeapony.com/fw/kerr_kerfuffle_page1.pdf
Or HTML, via maneman on LJ: knitmeapony.com/fw/katherine_kerr_career_suicide.html


And this includes the professional transformative works:

If someone can think of no better idea than to take a classic kid's book series and try to wring a few more bucks out of it, like the whole 'Wicked' series, then they should get a real job.


Comment #2 is fellow author Jim Hines getting a bit snarky with the idea. She backpedals mightily in the face of a professional author.

There are disappointed fans! She replies to her own post rather than editing it!

Not to mention mocking, accusations of trolling, and weird discussions of how fanfic is like embroidery or other crafting.

First post deleted, with explanation: Because people got "offensive": http://aberwyn.livejournal.com/182244.html Also deleted, cap of this, courtesy of [info]zulu http://tinypic.com/r/akzz1d/5

Then there was a third post, which I missed entirely, dubiously titled "what's wrong with talking about quality?" Cap, courtesy of [info]woodenleg http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/5620/swrongwithtalkingaboutq.png


And when the second and third posts were deleted, a martyrish post went up here: http://aberwyn.livejournal.com/182619.html

Lordy, yet another post, preserved below. Edit: Post deleted, but thankfully preserved.

And one (final?) post, this time with comments turned off:

Summing up
1. 3 or 4 of the posts in the mobbing stage were interesting and intelligent; they made a nicely reasoned defence of fanfic. Good for you! You might have changed my mind if it weren't for the others.

2. The rest of the 200 or so posts actually proved my points about poor writing skills, lack of cultural knowledge, and lack of imagination, since they repeated each other's thoughts in varying degrees of inarticulate language. One person, in a post I screened by disallowed, even used a toilet reference that was supposed to embarrass me. He also seemed to think I'm man, oddly enough.

3. A sloppy syllogism for those who didn't get the B'rer Rabbit point:
A. I dislike fanfic and don't want anyone writing it about my work.
B. If you don't read my work, you can't write about it.
C. Therefore threatening to ignore my work does not injure me in any way. Rather, I'm relieved that you won't.

4. The mobbing was not merely rude to me. We can agree on the point that the flip tone of my original post deserved the response it got. However, the mobbing was rude to all the regular readers of this space. It bored them, it cut off their right of discussion, and I suspect it convinced some of them that my original post's opinion of fanfic writers was in the main correct.


Personally, I think this fanfic of the Diana Gabaldon kerfuffle has a paucity of imagination. And relatively dull.


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[info]lady_ganesh
2010-05-14 06:07 pm UTC (link)
Jim Hines is so awesome.

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[info]cat_mcdougall
2010-05-14 06:16 pm UTC (link)
+1

I love it when he gets snarky at people. (Jim Hines icon used because it's appropriate, dammit)

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[info]lady_ganesh
2010-05-14 06:18 pm UTC (link)
I need to read Mermaid's Madness so I can read Red Hood when it comes out. I am such a slacker.

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[info]cat_mcdougall
2010-05-14 06:25 pm UTC (link)
Me too. My 9yo daughter (she's a fan of his, and has read the goblin books too) read it and said it was awesome. Of course, she stole it from my "to be read" pile to read it, but I can forgive her. ;)

(Another Hines icon!)

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[info]lady_ganesh
2010-05-14 06:35 pm UTC (link)
Awesome!

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[info]mer1973
2010-05-14 08:33 pm UTC (link)
I love Smudge.

That is all.

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[info]sadisticferret
2010-05-14 11:27 pm UTC (link)
Smudge and the Nyar!-spiders from Girl Genius are the only arachnids in the history of ever that don't make me want to reach for something heavy and blunt, because they are just that awesome.

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[info]havocthecat
2010-05-14 08:04 pm UTC (link)
Do it! It's so good! And there are things I can't spoil you about but OMG ACK FLAIL AWESOME.

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[info]sistercoyote
2010-05-15 12:25 am UTC (link)
I agree with [info]havocthecat up there -- you do need to read it.

I thought Mermaid's Madness was much better than Stepsister Scheme, personally, and am really looking forward to Red Hood's Revenge.

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[info]lady_ganesh
2010-05-15 01:47 am UTC (link)
Shiny!

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[info]evilsqueakers
2010-05-15 10:18 am UTC (link)
(I just like him because he donated shit to Brenda Novak's auction.)

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[info]sistercoyote
2010-05-16 04:05 am UTC (link)
I adore Jim because he seems to be one of those people who just generally Gets It, you know? He's not any more or less perfect than any other human being, of course, and he's just as likely to say or do something dumb as the rest of us, but.

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[info]evilsqueakers
2010-05-16 04:40 am UTC (link)
I was surprised to find out he was diabetic. So he's awesome with women issues (as showcased during of the UnFunny crap) and he's a diabetic. I bid on one of his books, actually, because of the rape thing he did awhile back.

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[info]librarianmouse
2010-05-16 07:38 am UTC (link)
That was him? Oh my goodness, I love him!

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[info]evilsqueakers
2010-05-18 05:47 am UTC (link)
Right? That's totally why I bid. I've never read a thing he's written, bookwise, but I am inspired.

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[info]sithwitch13
2010-05-14 08:35 pm UTC (link)
This makes me so thrilled, because I'm about to start The Stepsister Scheme this weekend.

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[info]lady_ganesh
2010-05-14 08:44 pm UTC (link)
It's really good. IMO, the beginning is a little clunky but after it takes off it's really fun.

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[info]emily_goddess
2010-05-17 02:19 am UTC (link)
I gave up after the first couple of chapters, but I really wanted to like it. Your comment makes me feel like giving it another try.

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[info]arachnejericho
2010-05-17 02:35 am UTC (link)
I had the same feeling; stumbly beginning, but then it works. It possibly helps that I identify a bit with Cindy's abusive childhood and continuing problems recovering thereof. I think the turning point is when the tree gets killed.

The second book is pretty exciting all the way through.

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[info]lissibith
2010-05-17 10:59 pm UTC (link)
Glad to have the advice as well - I just bought it last week and it's next in the queue. And I desperately want to like it because I already like him from what I've seen and want to support with the moneys :)

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[info]sadisticferret
2010-05-14 11:25 pm UTC (link)
He seriously is. I can't wait until Red Hood comes out, and I'm dying to get my hands on the rest of the Goblin Quest books.

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[info]librarianmouse
2010-05-15 08:12 pm UTC (link)
My library has nothing that he's written. I'll have to make sure that gets corrected.

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