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Laurie ([info]knitmeapony) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2010-05-14 09:22:00


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Entry tags:author entitlement, authors, can't escape the screencaps

Second verse, same as the first: Katherine Kerr hates your fanfic.
Katherine Kerr, editor of Weird Tales of Shakespeare and author of Celtic myth and Dungeons and Dragons 'inspired' novels decides to create another derivative work: her thoughts on yaoi.

A number of people on LJ have been expressing their views on fanfic, so I thought I'd add mine. I despise it.

http://aberwyn.livejournal.com/181755.html Deleted!

Caps of first post:
via alchemynerd on LJ: http://www.sendspace.com/file/7ovake
via alchemynerd on LJ: http://www.sendspace.com/file/nsjfzd
Perhaps you'd prefer PDF: http://knitmeapony.com/fw/kerr_kerfuffle_page1.pdf
Or HTML, via maneman on LJ: knitmeapony.com/fw/katherine_kerr_career_suicide.html


And this includes the professional transformative works:

If someone can think of no better idea than to take a classic kid's book series and try to wring a few more bucks out of it, like the whole 'Wicked' series, then they should get a real job.


Comment #2 is fellow author Jim Hines getting a bit snarky with the idea. She backpedals mightily in the face of a professional author.

There are disappointed fans! She replies to her own post rather than editing it!

Not to mention mocking, accusations of trolling, and weird discussions of how fanfic is like embroidery or other crafting.

First post deleted, with explanation: Because people got "offensive": http://aberwyn.livejournal.com/182244.html Also deleted, cap of this, courtesy of [info]zulu http://tinypic.com/r/akzz1d/5

Then there was a third post, which I missed entirely, dubiously titled "what's wrong with talking about quality?" Cap, courtesy of [info]woodenleg http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/5620/swrongwithtalkingaboutq.png


And when the second and third posts were deleted, a martyrish post went up here: http://aberwyn.livejournal.com/182619.html

Lordy, yet another post, preserved below. Edit: Post deleted, but thankfully preserved.

And one (final?) post, this time with comments turned off:

Summing up
1. 3 or 4 of the posts in the mobbing stage were interesting and intelligent; they made a nicely reasoned defence of fanfic. Good for you! You might have changed my mind if it weren't for the others.

2. The rest of the 200 or so posts actually proved my points about poor writing skills, lack of cultural knowledge, and lack of imagination, since they repeated each other's thoughts in varying degrees of inarticulate language. One person, in a post I screened by disallowed, even used a toilet reference that was supposed to embarrass me. He also seemed to think I'm man, oddly enough.

3. A sloppy syllogism for those who didn't get the B'rer Rabbit point:
A. I dislike fanfic and don't want anyone writing it about my work.
B. If you don't read my work, you can't write about it.
C. Therefore threatening to ignore my work does not injure me in any way. Rather, I'm relieved that you won't.

4. The mobbing was not merely rude to me. We can agree on the point that the flip tone of my original post deserved the response it got. However, the mobbing was rude to all the regular readers of this space. It bored them, it cut off their right of discussion, and I suspect it convinced some of them that my original post's opinion of fanfic writers was in the main correct.


Personally, I think this fanfic of the Diana Gabaldon kerfuffle has a paucity of imagination. And relatively dull.


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[info]singe
2010-05-14 06:59 pm UTC (link)
Now some authors may have whatever attitude with fanfic, and that's fine. But in my mind that's a huge indicator of their work's quality.

Which authors? Give examples as I'd like to do a compare and contrast myself.




Seriously, I would! Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?

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[info]becktionary
2010-05-14 07:13 pm UTC (link)
In the Naomi Novik v. GRRM battle, Novik's writing comes out on top pretty handily, imo.

And here's a list of various authors' stances on the subject.

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[info]issendai
2010-05-14 07:30 pm UTC (link)
Neil Gaiman, Lois McMaster Bujold, Ellen Kushner... Yeah, we're scraping the bottom of the barrel there. Clearly.

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[info]sistercoyote
2010-05-15 12:28 am UTC (link)
Wait!

Kushner weighed in on Fanfic? Really? When? Where can I read this?

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[info]enrythe8th
2010-05-16 03:19 am UTC (link)
And CS Lewis! He even actively encouraged it, and I think I love him all the more for it.

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[info]izzy_the_hutt
2010-05-14 07:31 pm UTC (link)
"[W]ith all the retellings I've written, and the secret history series (read: historical fanfic, especially Midnight Hever Come, which has almost no invented mortal characters in it), I'd be a hell of a hypocrite if I spat on fanfic."

I officially love whoever this woman is. Way to sum it up.

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[info]beccastareyes
2010-05-14 07:50 pm UTC (link)
Marie Brennan/swan_tower @ LJ? Her books are pretty good. (She's got a fantasy duology and the aforementioned fairy historical fantasy.)

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[info]anonyrat
2010-05-15 04:22 am UTC (link)
I was in a LARP with her once.

She was a bright star in that otherwise drama-filled and generally bewildering experience. She's a wonderful storyteller in any medium :P

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[info]singe
2010-05-14 08:06 pm UTC (link)
Thank you! Mmmm, Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, Terry Pratchett, J.K. Rowling, C.S. Lewis, Neil Gaiman and many more of my favorite authors are on the pro side, I see, and on the con side there's...a great many people I wouldn't know if they bit me and Anne Rice.

Huh. Personally I think the writers FOR fanfic can beat up the writers AGAINST fanfic any day of the week. And I'd love to see it.

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[info]sylvacoer
2010-05-14 08:12 pm UTC (link)
*is currently envisioning C.S. Lewis meeting Anne Rice* Oh, he wouldn't even have to DO anything but look at her and express his opinion of her Jesus fanfic, and... *glee*

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[info]watersword
2010-05-14 08:25 pm UTC (link)
I will pay cold hard internet cash (ie, porn) for that fic. Wait, is Anne Rice RPF okay? I get confused.

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(no subject) - [info]sylvacoer, 2010-05-14 09:18 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]watersword, 2010-05-14 09:21 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sylvacoer, 2010-05-14 09:59 pm UTC

[info]beccastareyes
2010-05-14 08:59 pm UTC (link)
This makes me cackle with glee.

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[info]cmdr_zoom
2010-05-14 09:00 pm UTC (link)
The British do cold, hard contempt very well.

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(no subject) - [info]sylvacoer, 2010-05-14 09:16 pm UTC

[info]singe
2010-05-14 09:05 pm UTC (link)
Ohhhh, if only I could see that.

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[info]lydiabell
2010-05-14 08:58 pm UTC (link)
Ooh! Can we have Battle of the Network Stars: Published Author Version? With the team that loses the tug-of-war getting pulled into a giant mud pit?


(And did I just totally date myself by making that reference?)

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[info]miera_c
2010-05-14 09:00 pm UTC (link)
You did but it's awesome. Knee socks with green stripes mandatory!

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(no subject) - [info]cmdr_zoom, 2010-05-14 09:01 pm UTC

[info]singe
2010-05-14 09:04 pm UTC (link)
Sounds like a plan! And, yes, you've dated yourself. I will now date MYSELF by recognizing said reference. (I loved that show!)

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[info]evilsqueakers
2010-05-15 10:32 am UTC (link)
To be fair, wasn't there a remake of that in the past decade or so? So you're not totally dating yourself to me.

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[info]beccastareyes
2010-05-14 08:59 pm UTC (link)
And, heck, a few of the 'antis' are at least 'sorry, but I'm worried about my copyright, so I have to say no' which... well, indicates they don't think it's a moral wrong, just responding to the confusing legal state of derivative works. (And isn't too different from a lot of 'pros' who just add '... so if I don't see it, it's fine'.)

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[info]librarianmouse
2010-05-15 08:18 pm UTC (link)
Can we have a televised debate in which Neil Gaiman and La Nora wipe the floor with Diana Gabaldon and this Katherine whatsherface?

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[info]singe
2010-05-16 03:56 pm UTC (link)
I don't see why not.

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[info]blue_penguin
2010-05-14 11:40 pm UTC (link)
Man, Jasper Fforde, I'm disappointed in you. I mean, it's not like you made a name for yourself by writing a massive crossover fanfic of all your favorite public-domain books!

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[info]becktionary
2010-05-14 11:43 pm UTC (link)
Whoever made that page was kind enough to cut out the superironic quote where he talks about how uncreative the desire to write Thursday Next fic is. Write your own characters, he suggests! Like--Miss Havisham and Hamlet, uh.

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[info]blue_penguin
2010-05-14 11:45 pm UTC (link)
Oh wow, that's sort of hilarious.

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(no subject) - [info]becktionary, 2010-05-15 12:02 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]miss_eponine, 2010-05-15 01:40 am UTC
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[info]evilsqueakers
2010-05-15 10:30 am UTC (link)
*jaw drops* How much do I love Kelley Armstrong's response?"

"I'd be thrilled. What greater compliment to an author than to want to write stories using the characters/universe she created? If anyone ever did write fanfic based on my books, I wouldn't just 'not mind', I'd link 'em up to my site and show 'em off!"

I knew I liked her for a reason.

Rachel Caine, I love her, too. Nora Roberts, Stephenie Meyer (wait, really?)...

Wait, I just typed SMeyer and praise. Something is wrong in this world.

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