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beejium ([info]beejium) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2010-06-19 01:01:00
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Entry tags:fandom_wank's thoughts on yaoi, movie wank, pixar, reviews, someone is wrong on the internet!, stop sharing your thoughts, writers are often pompous douches

Wank machine keeps on rollin'
1. Pixar makes incredible, mind-blowing third movie in Toy Story series.
2. Rotten Tomatoes logs over 130 reviews - all positive.
3. Toy Story 3 gets it's first (so far, only) bad reviews.
4. Internet explodes. (Also here.)

The wank seems to be focused on Armond White's review, as he is known for seemingly giving any review that goes against the general consenus. (He inexplicably seems in favour of Transformers 2, for instance.) He also doesn't appear to have actually watched the movie (identifying Hamm as a villain.) His negative review was actually predicted by a number of commenters in this earlier article, asking readers to predict where Toy Story 3 would end up on the Tomatometer rating.

It's all very dramatic, with wank in every corner. But of course, the most important Toy Story-related argument is and always will always be: Buzz/Jessie or Woody/Jessie?*


*Anyone's who's seen the movie will know the right answer to this.


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[info]kelmendi
2010-06-20 12:19 am UTC (link)
I generally enjoy most Pixar movies, but I could do without the "How dare you criticize or even mention the incredibly annoying and problematic under-representation of women and girls in Pixar's films" attitude of many Pixar fans.

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[info]demonoflight
2010-06-20 12:33 am UTC (link)
Pixar doesn't have enough women in key creative roles. That's mostly because the animation industry in general is sorely lacking in females. I hope that'll change in the future. The more girls get into animation, the faster the change will come.

...I'm in art school because I want to be one of those girls.

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[info]tardiscontrol
2010-06-20 05:00 am UTC (link)
Good luck. I was studying to be an animator, but I got pissed off at way too many of the art professors since a lot of them were like "We want you to draw a certain way, but we're not going to tell you what that way is because you have to figure it out for yourself and if you ask questions obviously that means that you don't know what you're doing because you lack the passion."

Yeah... I was like fuck it, I'm going back to writing.

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[info]demonoflight
2010-06-20 10:31 am UTC (link)
I have one professor like that! All of us got so frustrated with the guy we never came to class and now we all have to take his class again. Yeah, looking forward to that. *groan*

The rest are super cool, though. They're all "let's see what you can do" and when we do what we like and they're all "well, that's cool! Now here's what you can do to make it BETTER while still keeping your own style!" And we're all "yay!" because that's awesome.

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[info]jedi_dwh
2010-06-20 08:03 pm UTC (link)
Protip: take some programming classes if you can. I am one of those girls, and I came in with a computer science degree. The industry is super rough on art students, who can be picked up cheaply right out of college and bounced between projects and studios. If you've got some technical skills, you'll have more staying power, and that is definitely a Good Thing.

Good luck getting here! We need more women, seriously. When I pointed out how it was seriously sexist that all the sweatboxes are named for Japanese porn stars, the guys turned around and tried to convince me that it was sexist that H&M has a smaller selection of men's clothing than women's clothing. How the two are at all comparable, I have NO IDEA.

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[info]youngcurmudgeon
2010-06-28 05:51 am UTC (link)
This is a random comment from someone on the interwebs, but I'm still all verklempt from seeing Toy Story 3* and your comment makes me happy. I hope you kick ass and get to tell awesome stories.

* The fact that I saw a movie and went back to read a wank writeup ... may say something about me.

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[info]back_in_black
2010-06-20 01:56 am UTC (link)
Yeah, that's definitely an issue.

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[info]circumstance
2010-06-20 03:48 am UTC (link)
This. So very much this.

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[info]miss_padfoot
2010-06-20 08:39 am UTC (link)
Yeeeah. :-\

Toy Story 3 did pass the Bechdel test, but only barely, and most of the best roles in Pixar movies are male ones.

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[info]kumquat_of_doom
2010-06-20 02:08 pm UTC (link)
The next Pixar movie has a female main character! Apparently they actually did notice the disparity in male and female roles. If memory serves, she's going to be a princess who decides she'd sooner be an archer. I can't wait.

*uses Edna icon for relevancy, not for bashy*

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[info]fernmonkey
2010-06-20 06:52 pm UTC (link)
That sounds cool.

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[info]espers
2010-07-01 06:29 am UTC (link)
Where'd you see that?

Also, there was an article from 1995 about how Toy Story almost didn't get made,and the first draft of the story had Barbie saving Buzz and Woody from Sid in her hot convertible. But, Mattel pulled the plug on it because they didn't want Barbie to act in a 'specific way' or whatever.

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(no subject) - [info]kumquat_of_doom, 2010-07-01 02:24 pm UTC
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[info]fernmonkey
2010-06-20 06:53 pm UTC (link)
The Incredibles passed it somewhat better, but still.

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[info]dragonfangirl
2010-06-20 09:30 am UTC (link)
More or less this.

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[info]kumquat_of_doom
2010-06-20 02:11 pm UTC (link)
I hadn't seen that argument from the fans, but then I don't really hang around in Pixar fandom proper, even though I'm wildly in love with their movies. I don't see how anyone can argue that female characters aren't wildly under-represented, but then it is the internet. There's always one.

But the next Pixar is going to have a female protagonist! A princess who decides to be an archer, if memory serves.

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[info]rose_tyler
2010-06-20 02:16 pm UTC (link)
My problem with this is that they should be going after children's entertainment on the WHOLE, movie wise, because Pixar is no more or less guilty of it than any other company. The unique targeting of Pixar is what annoys me. It's not like say, Dreamworks is any better about it. If anything, they're worse.

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bellomee13
2010-06-20 07:13 pm UTC (link)
THANK YOU.

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[info]dragonfangirl
2010-06-20 09:23 pm UTC (link)
But they are worse than, say, Disney.

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[info]rose_tyler
2010-06-20 10:48 pm UTC (link)
They aren't worse than Disney of the past ten years.

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[info]cyndra_falin
2010-06-20 11:54 pm UTC (link)
THIS.

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[info]rose_tyler
2010-06-20 02:28 pm UTC (link)
Also, Brave.

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[info]dragonfangirl
2010-06-20 09:24 pm UTC (link)
How much do you want to bet that this movie gets rated the lowest of any Pixar film?

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(no subject) - [info]rose_tyler, 2010-06-20 10:48 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]dragonfangirl, 2010-06-21 03:11 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]rose_tyler, 2010-06-21 04:26 am UTC

[info]fernmonkey
2010-06-20 06:51 pm UTC (link)
On a not unrelated note: will there ever be a film about social ants or bees, ever, which gets the gender thing right? This is kind of a very big deal, biologically. If it's got to be a sausage-fest, why not make it into A Termite's Tale because they're not haplodiploid and so they have male and female workers.

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[info]kelmendi
2010-06-20 09:38 pm UTC (link)
Oh god, yes. That drives me CRAZY!

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(no subject) - [info]fernmonkey, 2010-06-20 10:02 pm UTC

[info]chibikaijuu
2010-06-29 09:09 pm UTC (link)
I do wish people would be able to accept legitimate criticism of things they like. I *adore* Pixar, but that is a distinct issue that they have - but it's an issue that is also very, very common to almost any studio. They do tend to do a pretty good job with the female characters they do include, but they have yet to give one the spotlight, and that *is* a failing.

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