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insignificant other ([info]snacky) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2010-07-16 12:24:00


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Entry tags:cons, persecution, vidders, you are not funny

"This is a colossal load of horseshit."
Courtesy of the anons on [info]wank_report, I present to you:

The Woeful Tale of VividCon's Silencing and Shaming of its Members; or How [info]niqaeli the Special Snowflake Was Epically Disingenuous



Background: At VividCon, there is a panel/program/segment called Vid Review, in which attendees publicly review vids (I've never been to VVC, so I may be leaving details out, but this is what I'm getting from what I read). Last year, some attendees decided to play Vid Review Bingo, in which bingo cards were made, and every time someone used a word/phrase during Vid Review ... well, you all know how bingo is played. Other attendees saw this game being played, and were uncomfortable and insulted and felt silenced and afraid to speak up. The Concom was not aware of Vid Review Bingo until after the fact, and recently learned that another group of people were planning to play it again this year, so they privately contacted the bingo organizer and asked her to cease and desist.

BAD MOVE, COMCON! Let jmtorres (a past and possibly potential bingo player? who knows?) tell you why:

Official policy statements should be public and not transmitted via private message as if in an attempt to silence members. When official policy statements are made public I will respond publicly; until then, I will 1) not regard non-public policy as official and 2) just express my utter frustration and bewilderment that policy theoretically being shaped with feedback from the membership is being declared privately and categorically rather than posted publicly for response. I mean, gosh, if you're going to have secret rules, and you only notify people you think likely to break them, what happens if someone doesn't mention their activities where you notice and doesn't get a memo about the secret rule they're breaking?

She's got a point: those fascists running VVC shouldn't sneak around shaming and silencing their members by telling them in private not to publicly be assholes. Call them out in public and let everyone know who the assholes are!

In response to jmtorres call of silencing, VVC makes it official policy that people shouldn't play Vid Review Bingo:

We firmly consider "vid review bingo" to be a violation of our stated policy of critiquing vids, not people. Respect for our members is a core value of Vividcon.

...

"Vid review bingo" is a way of mocking other attendees, violates stated con policy, and is counter to the intended spirit of the convention. Anyone found playing it will be told to leave the room. This policy is not open for debate.


They get lots of "thank you" comments and people voicing how Vid Review Bingo made them feel bad in response. jmtorres doesn't really think it's clear enough though - I mean, you can critique vids, but you can't be a jerk to people? How does THAT work? And then [info]niqaeli comments, outing herself as the bingo organizer and asking if she can take mean notes:

As a person who was initially contacted via email to be made aware of this policy, I would like to state upfront: as an attendee of VividCon, I will comply with the policies and requests of the concom to the best of my ability.

In this context, I am not interested in discussing the policy nor will I discuss why I had intended to play vid review bingo -- it's not relevant and, obviously, I do believe the concom has the right to set whatever policies they wish.

However, I do believe I have the right to request some clarification: what qualifies as bingo in the concom's eyes? Is it only printed bingo cards that are mocking and disrespectful? Or will note-taking of comments suffice? If I, as someone who will obviously be under suspicion, attend Vid Review and do anything other than sit quietly and listen, will I be asked to leave? I do not ask this flippantly -- I need to know so I can make an informed decision about whether I will attend Vid Review.

The reason I am asking for this clarification publicly is for the same reason that I would have asked you to post it publicly had I had the opportunity to respond before you posted this entry. I am not aware of anyone else who was planning similar, but I believe all attendees have the right to know what policies the concom is setting. I came to the attention of the concom but the possibility exists that other attendees who intended similar may not have, and it is fair that they know how the concom feels and what the policy is upfront.


Oh, VVC. Can't you see you've frightened her? She needs to make an informed decision about whether or not she can write bingo-ish phrases in her notes! Will your jackbooted thugs be standing over her shoulder, carefully scrutinizing each thing she jots down, ready to confiscate the notes and physically escort her out, if they even see so much as a "bin.." on her notepad? She has the right to know just how far her assholery can go!

elynross, speaking for VVC, replies, but this is not clear enough for [info]niqaeli. She then makes her own post, explaining why her soul cries out to play Vid Review Bingo, how this is a valid form of critique for someone like herself who is just so bored and disgusted with the repetitive comments of the Vid Review, and how she herself if the victim of hurt, disrespect, silence and shame! You guys, she has to sit through Vid Review every year! She has to hear the same comments all the time! Why can't anyone understand how much she has suffered?! She didn't voice her complaints or make any attempt to change it, because, gosh, who would have listened? CAN'T YOU SEE BINGO WAS HER ONLY OPTION?

Also, she explains her problem with this initially being communicated privately to her:

To start, this was a private communication to a single person declaring policies that will affect all attendees. I cannot and will not be held accountable for enforcing any other attendees’ behaviour than my own for both personal ethical reasons and for practical reasons. You see, I am unable to know if anyone else intended to play Vid Review bingo, lacking psychic powers. And if anyone else had intended to play it, lacking psychic powers, they would not have known that it was verboten until they got to the con and quite possibly until they were found playing it and removed from Vid Review. This is why, had I had the opportunity to reply to their missive before they had posted a public policy, I would have requested that they do so

but [info]merryish calls bullshit on this:

Normally I would never reveal anything to any one that I read under access lock, but since you're flat out lying here, let me say:

You know for a fact that you posted a call for people to play Vid Review Bingo about a week ago; that you asked for suggestions for the cards; and that several people who I will not name (because they have an expectation of privacy under your access lock) responded to your post.

So you do in fact know that other people intended to play. You're just lying about it so you can pretend the VVC is oppressing you. And if you continue to pretend you didn't do this in public, so you look like more of a victim, I'll have absolutely no compunction about speaking up in other places about it.


Pretty much all her comments are calling her out, but we do have [info]grey_bard attempting to play devil's advocate.

Perhaps VVC needs to adopt FW's handy Rule 8? We're happy to share it, VVC!

ETA: The anons over at fail_fandomanon seem to have figured out a reason for bingo playing!



Bonus wank: [info]echan seems to want VVC to be regulated by OSHA; and [info]nora_charles needs a specific list of ways to behave, so she knows how not to be an asshole before she can even think of attending VVC.




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[info]chikane
2010-07-16 08:09 pm UTC (link)
I honestly expected this to be about something that actually mattered, and was about to say "Wait a moment, that ablism stuff may at least be worth discussion and isn't something to mock".

I honestly didn't think this whole hubbub would be about something was pointless as a critique bingo game.

Wonderful priorities there, niquaeli. Wow.

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[info]alya1989262
2010-07-16 08:25 pm UTC (link)
grey_bard attempting to play devil's advocate.

Can they ban that next?

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(no subject) - [info]veleda_k, 2010-07-16 11:14 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]dragonfangirl, 2010-07-17 05:02 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]napalmnacey, 2010-07-18 07:51 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]mercutia, 2010-07-18 11:10 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]bigbigtruck, 2010-07-19 03:55 pm UTC
This video review bingo has been passed down in my family for generations
tetradecimal
2010-07-16 08:26 pm UTC (link)
I assume you don't mean to imply that only Americans or those with long familiarity with American norms are welcome. I think you also know that there aren't really "general rules" of adult American civility which always apply to any gathering of adults in America.

Damn you, Vividcon, and your ruthless cultural imperialism. My ancestors were griping about video reviews before you were even born!

I've been to many different social and work gatherings in many cultures, and inevitably there are people there who failed to pick up on some "obvious", "common sense" unwritten social rule, and sometimes I'm one of those people. Being able to read what questions others have asked, and how the mods answered them gives me a much better insight into the atmosphere of an event, and helps me adjust my behavior before I inadvertently hurt or insult someone else.

You can insult someone by carefully crafting and organizing a game designed for the express purpose of ruthlessly mocking their every word? Well, christ, glad someone told me. What am I, a psychic?

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Re: This video review bingo has been passed down in my family for generations - [info]zing_och, 2010-07-16 08:47 pm UTC
Re: This video review bingo has been passed down in my family for generations - tetradecimal, 2010-07-16 08:52 pm UTC
Re: This video review bingo has been passed down in my family for generations - [info]ekaterinv, 2010-07-16 09:36 pm UTC
Re: This video review bingo has been passed down in my family for generations - [info]lady_ganesh, 2010-07-16 09:43 pm UTC
Re: This video review bingo has been passed down in my family for generations - [info]zing_och, 2010-07-16 09:50 pm UTC
Re: This video review bingo has been passed down in my family for generations - [info]lady_ganesh, 2010-07-16 10:02 pm UTC
... - [info]seperis, 2010-07-17 04:41 am UTC
Re: This video review bingo has been passed down in my family for generations - [info]cmdr_zoom, 2010-07-16 09:01 pm UTC
Re: This video review bingo has been passed down in my family for generations - [info]khym_chanur, 2010-07-16 09:42 pm UTC
Re: This video review bingo has been passed down in my family for generations - [info]dragonfangirl, 2010-07-17 05:06 pm UTC
Re: This video review bingo has been passed down in my family for generations - [info]jaythenerdkid, 2010-07-18 04:59 pm UTC
Re: This video review bingo has been passed down in my family for generations - [info]spawn_of_kong, 2010-07-16 09:33 pm UTC
Re: This video review bingo has been passed down in my family for generations - [info]the__ivorytower, 2010-07-17 01:26 am UTC
Re: This video review bingo has been passed down in my family for generations - [info]mcity, 2010-07-18 10:49 pm UTC

[info]bigbigtruck
2010-07-16 08:29 pm UTC (link)
Man, what the hell is with this con. o_o

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[info]overlord_mordax
2010-07-16 08:32 pm UTC (link)
So, let me get this straight, this is a con specifically devoted to making amvs?

Because when I read the first sentence, I thought it might be a trade show for Vivid Video.

Veeeeeeeeery different things.

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[info]cjk
2010-07-16 08:37 pm UTC (link)
Man, VVC seems to be the catalyst for a lot of storms this year. If I wasn't on the wrong continent I'd be tempted to attend to see what it is about the con.

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[info]cyndra_falin
2010-07-16 08:40 pm UTC (link)
I've never heard of this con until today but holy moly!

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[info]anthologia
2010-07-16 08:58 pm UTC (link)
So do we have a bingo card for wanks yet?

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[info]zing_och
2010-07-16 09:04 pm UTC (link)
[info]echan wants to know "all the rules"! No I'm picturing her like this. The whole things gets funny that way. (By which I mean this particular side discussion. The bingo thing is plenty funny already.)

(Everyone who doesn't already know "Hyperbole and a Half" - click the link! Really!)

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[info]cmdr_zoom
2010-07-16 09:10 pm UTC (link)
Seems to me that if the output of the review-and-critique process has become so predictable people can make up bingo cards and drinking games for it, they have a problem that goes beyond "disrespect."

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(no subject) - [info]moljn, 2010-07-17 12:12 am UTC
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[info]sabaceanbabe
2010-07-16 09:12 pm UTC (link)
I couldn't quite make it through the whole post about how niqaeli was being shamed and silenced in regard to their coping mechanism, but this response to it was vastly entertaining:

If I were you, I would be more angry about how they kidnapped you off the street, threw you in the trunk of one of their cars, drove you to Chicago and chained you to a chair in the vid review room against your will.

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[info]ashenmote
2010-07-16 09:31 pm UTC (link)
I feel their pain.

It's like...is it just off limits to bring buckets of pig blood to the prom or does that pertain to all sorts of blood in all sorts of containers now? What about the blood in our own bodies then? Huh? That's a legit question.

It sucks that you can't have a civil discussion if you ask for clarifications about misty fascist rules like that. In good faith!

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[info]cairea
2010-07-16 09:37 pm UTC (link)
I think you also know that there aren't really "general rules" of adult American civility which always apply to any gathering of adults in America.

There aren't?

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[info]kylenne
2010-07-16 09:40 pm UTC (link)
...man, I read the words "Vivid Con", and I'm thinking of entirely different kinds of vids.

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[info]catmoran
2010-07-16 09:50 pm UTC (link)
I recognize the name jmtorres from something else, but I can't remember what. Was it wank related, or something less sinister interesting? Help!

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[info]zing_och
2010-07-16 09:52 pm UTC (link)
OK, I only skimmed [info]niqaeli's post when it turned up on my flist, but now that I reread -

If Vid Review bingo is unwelcoming and disrespectful to people, it’s only a symptom: Vid Review is unwelcoming and disrespectful to people.

Wow.

Apparently her argument is "people critique vids, but they actually mean me the vidder, and that's mean. So I cope by being mean to those people in a passive-aggressive way! That'll show them!"

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[info]mosellegreen
2010-07-16 10:35 pm UTC (link)
So wait... tearing apart someone else's vid is fine, but playing bingo with the standard insults directed against these vids is horrible? The anti-bingoers here are shitheads. They want to sit around saying nasty things about other people's attempt at art without having it pointed out that they're being repetitive in doing so. I'm glad VVC is nowhere near me.

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(no subject) - [info]seperis, 2010-07-17 03:58 am UTC
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... - [info]seperis, 2010-07-17 04:23 am UTC
... - [info]amaltheia, 2010-07-18 03:41 am UTC
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[info]ingrid
2010-07-16 10:47 pm UTC (link)
You know for a fact that you posted a call for people to play Vid Review Bingo about a week ago; that you asked for suggestions for the cards; and that several people who I will not name (because they have an expectation of privacy under your access lock) responded to your post.

D'OH!

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(no subject) - [info]zing_och, 2010-07-16 11:19 pm UTC
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[info]sarracenia
2010-07-16 11:06 pm UTC (link)
I think we just don't understand their pain. Stopping people from mocking people into silence is silencing! These are truly brave and noble souls, to stand up for their right to mock anyone who has such a boring nature as to bring up such trivial concepts as song choice in a discussion about vids. I weep a single, crystalline tear for their ordeal.

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[info]ari_o
2010-07-16 11:14 pm UTC (link)
[info]nora_charles fatigues me. Someone peel me a grape!

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(no subject) - [info]cyndra_falin, 2010-07-16 11:41 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]kelmendi, 2010-07-17 06:15 pm UTC
... - [info]white_serpent, 2010-07-18 03:24 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ari_o, 2010-07-17 08:00 pm UTC
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[info]glossing2
2010-07-17 12:09 am UTC (link)
We do not consider any discussion of vids to be trite.
I have nothing to add to this bizarre situation, but I have to say that this remark by Elynross has provided me with LOLS UPON LOLS ALL DAY LONG.

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(no subject) - [info]amadi, 2010-07-18 05:18 am UTC

[info]kantayra
2010-07-17 12:15 am UTC (link)
"Do not intentionally be an asshole to people's faces" is a very difficult policy, indeed. I can see why she needs additional clarification for each and every form of asshattery she had planned.

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(no subject) - [info]snacky, 2010-07-17 12:34 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]ingrid, 2010-07-17 12:36 am UTC
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[info]aegflota
2010-07-17 12:54 am UTC (link)
If you went and read the public policy, you will note they at no point identified who had been planning this or who had called them out publicly for the attempt to set what amounts to secret policy. The argument will probably be made that this was done to protect us -- little though we may have deserved such protection implied in that. In actuality, it serves to erase our identity and experiences and simultaneously demonise our anonymised selves.

I can't believe she fucking typed that. Erasure of identity and experience? That's not a phrase to be used about playing a stupid bingo game, sweetheart. Your snarky little game is not a social justice issue.

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(no subject) - [info]jerel, 2010-07-17 02:54 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]ecchaniz0r, 2010-07-20 07:40 am UTC

[info]gerorin
2010-07-17 01:27 am UTC (link)
If somebody invoke Goodwin, I'd have a bingo.

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(no subject) - [info]kantayra, 2010-07-18 02:58 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]gerorin, 2010-07-18 05:38 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]la_fono, 2010-07-19 09:28 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]lukita, 2010-07-18 06:23 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]gerorin, 2010-07-19 04:33 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]lukita, 2010-07-19 06:18 pm UTC

[info]eiviiaru
2010-07-17 02:36 am UTC (link)
Ho god, do I hate the "wait, use common sense and don't be a jackass? I'm being OPPRESSED!!" crowd (because it's so hard to just be civil, amirite). No argument here that [info]niqaeli is wildly overreacting to what basically amounts to "don't be a dick in public." (Does VVC not have rooms or some other private area where she and her friends could go snark about the review? I thought that was basically why you rented rooms at cons. Well, that and room parties/hook-ups.)

That said... am I a bad person for being curious about the composition of this Vid Review Bingo card? I'm not involved with vidding at all, but I do like gawking at wanky things.

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