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Avocado ([info]white_serpent) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2010-09-23 22:05:00


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Entry tags:bitter so bitter, elitism, fandom: doctor who, webcomics

Why did his store go out of business? I can't imagine.
(Bulk of this writeup taken from [info]wank_report-- thank you!)

Carl Anderson, webcomic writer, posts a comic in which he blames American Doctor Who fans for local retailers failing since they all buy on eBay. >:( ...And, calls them stupid, lazy, fat and a few other things, and claims that they deserve to get their show cancelled!

Hysterical, right?

It gets posted as part of a series of links to the Doctor Who LJ comm.

[info]maypanic writes a post in response pointing out that not everyone actually has a local retailer of Doctor Who merchandise. Given the insults, she decides to boycott his comic and any stores of his.

The comments are mostly agreement and discussion on bad experiences with stores... but wait! Suddenly, a few anonymous commenters come along, mentioning that Carl had a shop that sold Doctor Who merchandise (which no-one bought). But also, comparing the OP and friends to Trekkies, Tweens, claiming they have no sense of humor and are just like Twilight fans (harsh...)

As one of the commenters points out, some of these anonymous criticisms are phrased suspiciously similarly to things Carl Anderson said in a now-deleted post (some excerpted lines here.) Hmm.

Carl himself makes an appearance, blaming the lazy fans who "gave Who fandom a bad name" for the failure of his business. He claims that May and friends should stop taking things so seriously and:

You and the others posters only proved what many, including the older Who fans, think of Nu-Who fans. And it gives us fans a bad name, and makes us ashamed that you latched onto our show, just because of David Tennant.

Also, he didn't post those other things on May's journal; perish the thought. It was his good buddy and former customer who did it. Naturally.

He posts again to his site (comments turned off) claiming he may have been a bit harsh. As apologies go, it lacks something...

Anyhow, my little rant got attention on some “livejournal” fanfic 10th Doc/Wose... oops I mean Rose slashie-ship blogs, and so they went on the attack, taking my ranted jibes personally, as if I had just done something unspeakable to their My Little Pony collections, or I had wiped my ass on their Edward Cullen bedspreads.

This post was also linked to the Doctor Who comm. The response so far is best summed up by [info]kimber_mcleod:

Yeah, that makes me want to run right out and spend ALL my hard earned money on his merchandise! With that kind of savvy sales pitch to a target audience I'm sure he'll have an unprecedented increase in sales overnight!

ETA: Carl has now edited his "apology" post. It's not really an improvement.

I still cannot believe some people fell for that. Seriously, you got pissed over that? Wow, no wonder people make fun of certain fan-groups. You take shit way too seriously for your own healths. It’s just a freaking show.

You all just made Doctor Who fans look worse than Twlight fanatics. Well done… (Taste the sarcasm)

- from a real (British) Doctor Who fan, not some Tennant fangirl.




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[info]kitt_in_socks
2010-09-24 07:29 am UTC (link)
Wait, there are physical stores that sell Who merchandise in the States?

Also kinda baffled by the term "Ten/Rose slashers." Does he not know what that means, or is he trying to say Rose is a guy? Or maybe I'm reading too much into it and should go to bed.

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[info]drakyndra
2010-09-24 07:36 am UTC (link)
Oh glory be, Doctor Who wank that isn't all about shipping or which character/actor is good and which one sucks.

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[info]librarianmouse
2010-09-24 07:44 am UTC (link)
Well. I certainly feel better after that apology. Where should I send the check?

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[info]jujubee
2010-09-24 07:54 am UTC (link)
The thing is, if you don't know about his failed store, the comic just seems really random and weirdly specific. I mean, Doctor Who fans aren't exactly the only people letting their local retailers go out of business in favor of the internet.

But if you do know about the failed store, the comic is just pathetic. And wanky.

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[info]rosehiptea
2010-09-24 08:56 am UTC (link)
You and the others posters only proved what many, including the older Who fans, think of Nu-Who fans. And it gives us fans a bad name, and makes us ashamed that you latched onto our show, just because of David Tennant.
Don't get me wrong, Dave was an awesome Doctor and I'm glad he brought in a new generation of fans.


So he's glad Tennant brought in a new generation of fans... because he likes to have someone to call lazy and immature?

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[info]ekaterinv
2010-09-24 09:05 am UTC (link)
David Tennant = hot actor, drooled over by many women
Romance (Doc/Rose) = stereotypically (though not actually) something only women like
My Little Pony = girly and something to make fun of for being girly
Twilight = SUPER girly

This guy's angry that there are women in his fandom. Maybe that there are women on the planet.

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[info]ashenmote
2010-09-24 12:33 pm UTC (link)
You know, after all the trouble he went through in order to rescue Who fandom from the Ebay scammers, I feel like I owe it to Carl to at least envisage him as a real person. But no matter how hard I try, he always ends up looking like a citizen of Springfield. I'm ashamed.

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[info]alexa
2010-09-24 01:51 pm UTC (link)
Does anyone happen to know when his store went under? Was this recently?

I mean, if it was within the last couple years... couldn't this have something to do with the economy? Maybe every Dr Who fan in the LA area wasn't beating down his door to help "support" his business because they didn't have extra money to be throwing away, not because they're fat/lazy/children/etc.?

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[info]sandyclaws68
2010-09-24 01:54 pm UTC (link)
How does he feel about "Nu-Who" fans who started watching because they loved Who when they were younger, eagerly waiting for every sporadic appearance on PBS here in the States? Do we not count, or something?

Also, David Tennant is totally hot, but Matt Smith's portrayal of the Docotr wins in a landslide. Less wangst. And more fez. :)

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[info]dragonsong12
2010-09-24 03:10 pm UTC (link)
I'm mostly just struck by how not-funny that linked comic is...I mean, maybe I'm reading it all wrong, but it's in a gag-strip format. Where's the punchline? Is it just his soapbox to complain about the world from? Who would read that?

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(no subject) - [info]yanderelove, 2010-09-24 08:30 pm UTC
... - [info]tofuknight, 2010-09-24 09:11 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]notjo, 2010-09-25 02:04 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]librarianmouse, 2010-09-24 07:37 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]issendai, 2010-09-25 08:38 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]eevee, 2010-09-27 12:47 pm UTC

[info]ilinana
2010-09-24 03:21 pm UTC (link)
Yes that's a totally reasonable and well-thought apology. How could those heartless bastards not flock to him and his Who merchandise after that???

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[info]sgaana
2010-09-24 04:44 pm UTC (link)
...claiming they have no sense of humor...

In what sense could the linked comic be said to contain "humor"?

(Also, my god, that's unattractive.)

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(no subject) - [info]ekaterinv, 2010-09-24 11:19 pm UTC

[info]annepackrat
2010-09-24 04:52 pm UTC (link)
My local comic shop sold some Dr. Who figures. Most of the secondary character figures didn't sell, and are now on clearance. Strangely enough he still seems to be doing well and is definitely still in business.

It couldn't be that he's a better businessman then this Anderson fellow, could it? Nah, that's not it!

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[info]singe
2010-09-24 04:53 pm UTC (link)
YOU PEOPLE SUCK!

*waits patiently for everyone to laugh at my brilliant joke*

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(no subject) - [info]dragonsong12, 2010-09-24 05:05 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]singe, 2010-09-24 05:21 pm UTC
Brilliant!! - [info]tinybubbles, 2010-09-25 04:49 pm UTC
Re: Brilliant!! - [info]singe, 2010-09-25 05:18 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]puipui, 2010-09-26 11:29 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]singe, 2010-09-26 03:36 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]puipui, 2010-09-26 09:12 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]puipui, 2010-09-26 09:15 pm UTC
... - [info]singe, 2010-09-26 10:29 pm UTC
*appropriate icon is appropriate*
[info]veneotaqueen
2010-09-24 05:15 pm UTC (link)
Okey, so explain this to me. This dude is wanking because Internet retailers are more effective to bring people their merch than normal physical stores, and his cries and moans are because his store shut down because nobody bought him stuff? What, his bank denied him a credit card or something and he is mentally unable to properly use eBay and mailing services? Because if it weren't because I live in a country with dollar-giving restrictions, I'd had got a credit card or two long ago by online buying doujins and Pocky and dollfies and non-pirated DVDs and fannish stuff the local retailers in this third world hole will never carry.
Also, I had a policy to never go back to any store owned by/staffed with entitled assholes who look down to the ones who would willingly buy them stuff, once we decided which one we want. I've decided to never stop to a certain con only because his organizer makes constantly an ass of himself on the Internet with that kind of attitude, tales about the actual quality of the event notwithstanding. Seeing this man's wankings, I can understand why his business broke. Isn't difficult to imagine he treated his actual clients the very same way.

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^this, yes! - [info]unseelie, 2010-09-25 08:46 pm UTC

[info]nonnyeve
2010-09-24 05:15 pm UTC (link)
Everything about this guy screams 'BAAAAWWWWWWW WHY WON'T PEOPLE BUY MY CRAP'.


You and the others posters only proved what many, including the older Who fans, think of Nu-Who fans.

I wasn't aware that older fans cared much about new fans buying stuff online.

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(no subject) - [info]fern_on_fen, 2010-09-24 09:58 pm UTC

[info]tez
2010-09-24 05:56 pm UTC (link)
I thought Nu-Whos were those people in How The Grinch Stole Christmas.

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(no subject) - [info]cygnia, 2010-09-24 06:05 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]catmoran, 2010-09-24 07:16 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]dragonsong12, 2010-09-24 08:18 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]cygnia, 2010-09-24 09:05 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]librarianmouse, 2010-09-24 11:11 pm UTC
... - [info]cmdr_zoom, 2010-09-25 12:35 am UTC

[info]lyrangalia
2010-09-24 07:22 pm UTC (link)
*joins in chorus of people who cannot believe this guy's business went under*

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(no subject) - nam_jai, 2010-09-24 08:11 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]lyrangalia, 2010-09-24 08:19 pm UTC

[info]ruslan
2010-09-24 07:24 pm UTC (link)
Um..what was stopping him from having an eBay auxiliary of his shop? I've seen tons of stores on eBay where you go to the about-the-seller page and see "We're a business based out of San Antonio," and a cute picture of their brick-and-mortar store. It's a good way to unload some of the merchandise that isn't selling locally and he knows the market is there.

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(no subject) - [info]cygnia, 2010-09-24 07:27 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]whimsy_chan, 2010-09-24 07:37 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]coffee_mug, 2010-09-24 09:09 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]bobafeis, 2010-09-25 12:00 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]honorh, 2010-09-25 01:37 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]sepiamagpie, 2010-09-25 04:25 am UTC
... - [info]risha, 2010-09-25 04:33 am UTC
... - [info]braidedmane, 2010-09-25 04:49 pm UTC
... - [info]moonjaguar, 2010-09-27 10:47 pm UTC
... - [info]risha, 2010-09-25 04:40 am UTC
... - [info]sepiamagpie, 2010-09-25 04:41 am UTC
... - [info]risha, 2010-09-25 04:52 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]amy_wolf, 2010-09-25 04:21 am UTC

[info]yanderelove
2010-09-24 07:45 pm UTC (link)
You kids and your ebays! Back in my day we had to walk to the comic shop to buy our Who merchandise! In the snow! Uphill both ways! Which gave me no time to practice drawing, so now I have to soapbox through a shitty-looking comic!

You young people make me sick.

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(no subject) - [info]brennalarose, 2010-09-25 04:36 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]mister_terrific, 2010-09-27 03:35 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]cygnia, 2010-09-29 06:57 pm UTC

[info]librarianmouse
2010-09-24 08:01 pm UTC (link)
Okay, so this "business" of his. Was it an outlet for generally fannish things? Or strictly for Who merch? Because I only know one person in real life who has ever seen an episode of Doctor Who (not counting my family who has seen it while I've had it on), so having a store of only Who stuff is probably not the world's greatest business plan.

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(no subject) - [info]tachikoma01, 2010-09-24 08:37 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sgaana, 2010-09-26 04:15 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]alexa, 2010-09-24 09:01 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]kumquat_of_doom, 2010-09-24 09:27 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]eilisliana, 2010-09-24 10:42 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]jupiterpluvius, 2010-09-24 10:57 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]bigbigtruck, 2010-09-24 11:30 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]cmdr_zoom, 2010-09-25 05:19 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]purpleink, 2010-09-27 10:58 pm UTC

[info]jabberwockypie
2010-09-24 08:04 pm UTC (link)
Seconding, thirding, fourthing, fifthing, X-ing the people who wonder how his store could POSSIBLY have gone out of business. Reminds me of the creepy tabletop gaming store where I used to live. They, too, went out of business.

And yeah, it's not like the Doctor and companions (or equivalent, depending on your fandom) always sell out first, leaving behind the villains and one-shot characters nobody cares about. Or that they only have the laser screwdriver in stock, which is lovely and all, but you want something a little more sonic. I'm sorry I'm not paying $40 for your Adipose plushie, okay? I made one and the materials cost me about $6, so GTFO.

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(no subject) - [info]paladin, 2010-09-24 09:22 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]cmdr_zoom, 2010-09-25 05:22 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sgaana, 2010-09-26 04:17 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]librarianmouse, 2010-09-24 11:16 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]jabberwockypie, 2010-09-24 11:19 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]librarianmouse, 2010-09-24 11:33 pm UTC
... - [info]jabberwockypie, 2010-09-25 03:04 am UTC
... - [info]librarianmouse, 2010-09-25 03:08 am UTC

[info]alexa
2010-09-24 09:16 pm UTC (link)
Chris speaks his mind to the Doctor Who fans in the United States about supporting their local retailers and not running off to ebay to buy their toys...But, a lot of Doctor Who fans are stupid when it comes to understanding reason.

What "reason" would that be? Because it sounds like an awfully Chris-centric reason.

If it's my money, I have the right to spend it wherever I want, for whatever "reasons" are most beneficial to me. Often that means ordering from online retailers, because prices are better and because it saves me time. I don't consider supporting all brick and mortar shops over online retailers a particularly important virtue. If you want me to support your particular establishment, you better offer me some incentive to shop there. For local businesses, that's often the element of a personalized experience: knowing the people who work there and having a friendly relationship with them can make it worth the extra time and money. And since you're being such a peach about it...

My point is: you have no point.

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(no subject) - [info]amy_wolf, 2010-09-25 04:25 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]braidedmane, 2010-09-25 04:53 pm UTC

[info]dawnswalker
2010-09-24 09:22 pm UTC (link)
Wow, and people say that B^U loves it some copy-and-paste.

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(no subject) - [info]cmdr_zoom, 2010-09-24 09:29 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]alexa, 2010-09-25 04:43 am UTC

[info]kumquat_of_doom
2010-09-24 09:23 pm UTC (link)
You and the others posters only proved what many, including the older Who fans, think of Nu-Who fans. And it gives us fans a bad name, and makes us ashamed that you latched onto our show, just because of David Tennant.

HEY. I originally latched onto Doctor Who because of Jack Harkness, thank you very much! David Tennant and then Freema Agyeman just sealed the deal.

(Also one of the many amazed, AMAZED, that his shop is now out of business.)

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(no subject) - [info]spawn_of_kong, 2010-09-25 03:31 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]kumquat_of_doom, 2010-09-29 04:22 pm UTC


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