Current mood:	Dramatic
Entry tags:	baleeted post replacement, can't escape the screencaps, fandom: criminal minds, wanking inside the house

The internet does not forget!

So it seems our dear, dear friend, liberty_stewart, has finally figured out how to delete posts. Sadly, she has yet to figure out how to delete screencaps off others's computers.

Well, sadly for her, but lucky for us!

Screencaps of the fandom_wank entry:

Page One (Last saved @ 14:00 EST)
Page Two (Last saved @ 14:08 EST)
Page Three (Last saved @ 14:09 EST)
Page Four (Last saved @ 14:14 EST)
Page Five (Last saved @ 21:05 EST)
Page Six (Last saved @ 21:05 EST)
The text of her original post to fandom_wank, thanks to overlord_mordax

Screencaps of the fandom_rantentry:

Main page (Last saved @ 18:45 EST)
First collapsed subthread (Last saved @ 18:46 EST)
Second collapsed subthread (Last saved @ 18:46 EST)
Collapsed sub-subthread of above (Last saved @ 18:46 EST)

Unfortunately, as you can tell, I didn't save quite recently enough, but fear not, I'm sure some other wankers will have more recent caps, and I was/am also tracking the comments to both threads since this morning, so if there's a comment you particularily miss and want reposted, tell me and I'll find it!

One in particular needs to be shared here, though, which is puipui's response to liberty_stewart's random pedo accusation:

Okay, you know what? You're probably not going to believe this, but until now, I had been relatively polite to you. But now that you have proven yourself, with this specific comment, to be the filthy fucking scum of the goddamn motherfucking earth, I feel absolutely no need to do that anymore.

You are a fucking idiot. You clearly think that you're clever, but you are the furthest thing from clever that I have seen in a really, really, really long time. You are such a goddamn fucking dipshit that I am honestly surprised that you've managed to even work out how to use a fucking keyboard. You certainly haven't worked out how to use the English language; everything you try to say is absolute fucking shit, and that's without even trying to read it for content. Amazingly, it actually gets worse when you try to read it for content. Because you're a fucking dumbass.

Everything you have tried to do here, you have completely fucked up. You fail at ranting. You fail at posting. You fail at updating. You fail at insulting people. You completely fail at both being reasonable and recognizing reasonableness when it happens. You are a stupid misogynistic shitstain on the world, the anal leakage of the internet, the festering boil on the ass of reality, you clueless shit-spewing fuckwitted puppyfucker.

You want to complain about personal attacks? You fucking deserve them. You deserve every single fucking thing that anyone here has said about you and more. And yet you have the actual fucking nerve to complain that everyone here is so mean to you, whine whine whine; you do not even know what mean is yet, you whinging douchenozzle. You absolute fucking shit-sucking asshat.

Fuck you. Fuck you and the goddamn whiny-ass holier-than-thou fucking horse you fucked on the way in here. Get the fuck out, you fucking prick, and stay the fuck out this time.

... Well, it seems she listened. Finally. For once. :D

[ETA] Further screencaps from the wankitywank entry:

More to come, I'm sure. [/ETA]

[ETA3] ~~[ETA2] Sorry folks, didn't realise my caps weren't shoping up for others. Attempting to fix now ... [/ETA2]~~ Should work now! [/ETA3]

[ETA4] Moar Screencaps:

From panthea: A whole buncha caps.
From cleolinda: Pages 1, 3, 5 and 6 from right before deletion, all threads unfolded.
From, er, me: The original (expanded!) Criminal Minds rant from her LJ, which was linked on wank_report a month ago.

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[ETA5] From galletas: LibertyWank In Four Panels. [/ETA5]

[ETA6] What, you thought we were done? :D

From arachnejericho: Screencap of liberty_stewart's post to ONTD.
From bobafeis: Two more screencaps.
From sisterelwood: Icons!
From puipui: More icons!

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[ETA7] From caralinda: The thread with puipui's excellent rant, including all responses. [/ETA7]

[ETA8ohgodkillme] ICONS AND BREAKING NEWS!

From ninwhore: More icons. [/ETA8]
From stupid_fangirl: FFRantsanon discovers the wank, and Liberty shows up to defend herself. (She even apologises! Sort of.

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ealusaid
2011-02-28 07:23 am UTC (link)

It's my observation that some people who live with a lot of toxicity have absolutely no sense of their own agency. Like, I used to know someone who grew up in an abusive household, and no matter what zie did, someone was gonna get drunk and throw beer bottles at them. Clean the house and smile? Whack. Piss in the cornflakes and mouth off? Whack. So zie thought the only role zie played in social relationships was being-acted-onto (and therefore completely failed to understand that getting upset and ranting about what total crapsacks everyone zie had ever had contact with hurt hir friends--how could little old HIR have any influence over anyone else?--and, well, I cut all contact with this person years ago).

Anyway, Liberty reminded me of this person. She defines her little philosophy 100% by how someone else's actions cause her to react. There is no recognition that if she is nice or nasty, other people will respond in kind.

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ekaterinv
2011-02-28 07:31 am UTC (link)

The thing about that kind of behavior is that, in some abusive situations, it works. Deflect attention and you don't get the whack, emotional or physical. Make the addict/abuser feel guilt for their own actions, and you get rewarded, by a present or by some rare positive attention -- that's the only way you will get rewarded for anything, in fact.

Most people who have had toxic childhoods realize that they were toxic, though, and spend a long, hard slog trying to relate to people in non-toxic ways.

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ealusaid
2011-02-28 07:42 am UTC (link)

Yeah, exactly.

And I think what that also gives is no real sense of how hard you can punch, which leads to either under-or-over-evaluating one's own strength. I never, ever, ever showed social or verbal aggression when I was a kid, so when I learned how to hold my own in arguments when I was a teen, I spent a long time thinking if I said ANYTHING it would be THE MOST HURTFUL THING EVAR, so I would say in this halting little voice "I think, um, on this one point, you're not entirely correct."

Then I had a brief period where I went "...Waaaait, no, that's not working! I want my blows to hurt them as much as theirs hurt me! YOU FUCKING SHITSTICK, YOU WOULDN'T KNOW RIGHT FROM YOUR ASSHOLE, NOW SHUT THE FUCK UP." And friends kind of had to say "Honey? That was six times harsher than you needed."

Learning how to gauge hits is really hard. Especially if you have no idea that's what you're learning.

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ekaterinv
2011-02-28 07:59 am UTC (link)

Plus if that's all you're used to, you don't know it's possible to deal with conflict in any other way. Things are either smooth and seemingly perfect or they're completely fucking out of whack and you're being blamed for everything that has ever gone wrong EVER, and are an evil, horrible, rotten brat from hell for not cleaning your room well enough. You feel you can either be a mouse or a rampaging lion, and rampaging lion looks a lot more appealing when you're angry.

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	ealusaid 2011-02-28 08:00 am UTC (link)
	Therefore: Liberty Stewart, and the pedophilia accusations. Or at least, that's one possible explanation. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	bubosquared 2011-02-28 01:51 pm UTC (link)
	And this makes a lot of sense too -- she really did seem to think that slinging weirdly specific accusations of child molestation around was payment in kind to being called a misogynistic asshole. o_O (Reply to this)(Parent)

	ashenmote 2011-02-28 07:43 am UTC (link)
	Oh god, I can kind of relate to that person you describe. But I think I got better. Yeah. Unless you have the basic facilities to monitor your own actions, you shouldn't touch the whole "do as others do unto you" thing with a barge pole. (Reply to this)(Parent)

bubosquared
2011-02-28 01:48 pm UTC (link)

Huh, the people I've met who grew up with shit like that tended more towards "I'm getting punished no matter what I do, so I might as well do something to deserve it," which seems to be different from what you describe.

What you describe makes sense, though, and fits with the complete lack of self-awareness that

nevadafighter pointed out. She really didn't seem to have any idea of how she was acting or coming off to other people.

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	bubosquared 2011-02-28 01:55 pm UTC (link)
	Augh, forgot to add: She also definitely seems to operate on the principle that everyone's against her until proven otherwise. And you know, if this is what's going on with her, I kinda sympathise, but at the same time ... she's 26. At some point, one has to get one's shit together for one's own sake if nothing else. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

ealusaid
2011-02-28 06:01 pm UTC (link)

IME, knowing why someone's being terrible and hurtful almost never makes their actions less terrible or less hurtful. On the other hand, it's almost necessary if you ever want to make them stop, because if the person behaving terribly learned that social interaction means going ballistic from being abused, well... dropping on her head like three hundred abusive cannibalistic wolves is going to be supremely unhelpful in making her stop.

Extremely cathartic, but ultimately unhelpful.

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