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knowsall (![[info]](http://www.journalfen.net/img/userinfo.gif){kind=small} knowsall) wrote in ![[info]](http://www.journalfen.net/img/community.gif){kind=small} fandom_wank,@ 2011-03-17 09:09:00 |
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Queer as Folk fandom is alive and strong (when there's wank involved).
She wanted to stop reading crappy fic. Now, what could possibly go wrong?
Many, many, many, many, many people agreed that the quality of fiction has gone down considerably over the years and all anyone will ever see is badfic.
petulant2u comes along and says that since fanfic is art and it's given to everyone for free, no one should complain!
She continues to argue:
Screenshot 1 - She didn't have a beta for her story and many, many people loved it because she wrote it from her heart. *cue violins*
Screenshot 2 - Only professional editors are allowed to criticize fanfic.
People use logic to explain why fans think there's so much badfic around:
Screenshot 3 - It was a nice attempt by the person she was arguing with.
Screenshot 4 - Mod interference with examples.
petulant2u will not be deterred:
Screenshot 5 - There's nothing wrong with someone posting their art!
Screenshot 6 - People will judge writing whether petulant2u likes it or not.
Another mod comes along with good advice here, here, and here.
Screenshot 7 - pet thinks this thread is God awful.
Screenshot 8 - Long-time QaF writer has opinion about this.
Screenshot 9 - pet is shocked, SHOCKED that long-time fan has opposing opinion.
ipitydafool recognizes that this has turned into a "why I dislike new writers discussion" and that's discussed:
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This fandom doesn't like it when people use character nicknames incorrectly! Surprise, surprise,petulant2u doesn't agree with this either:
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Screenshot 15 - Nicknames are used often, according to her.
Screenshot 16 - Despite the canon explanation,petulant2u thinks that vlredreign might be right. Don't read her stories then! They're only cannon (sic) ish.
petulant2u WANTS EVERYONE TO KNOW THAT IF THEY'RE LOOKING FOR STORIES THAT MAKE SENSE OR ARE GRAMMATICALLY CORRECT THEN THEY NEED TO GO TO A BOOKSTORE!
She fights with the mod and this can't end well:
Screenshot 17 - Mod is in poor taste, says pet.
Screenshot 18 - IT'S STILL ART.
Screenshot 19 - Um, pet doesn't understand what journal titles are (at the bottom of this screenshot).
Screenshot 20 - Still doesn't understand journal titles.
Screenshot 21 - Mod explains but show of hands that she still doesn't get it, *hands*
Screenshot 22 - pet was born on the lower east side! She doesn't back down from fights.
Screenshot 23 - Free speech! Free speech! Attica!
Screenshot 24 - No one will beta for pet. Well, maybe one day when she writes a manuscript and someone edits it professionally!
You'd think that it'd end there but it didn't. People were fighting and arguing and would continue to do so until this, the last comment in the shot. That's a mod and up until now, everything's been about badfic. Then, shit got personal:
Yikes.
Mods covered their asses and quickly deleted all comments that were irrelevant to the thread topic.
petulant2u ran to whine and cry to her friends list and again.
That was really the calm before the storm.
Original post - only one comment deletion, yay!
What could go wrong, I ask?
anyusa0030 recommends a 6-year-old rec list and petulant2u shows up again to defend all bad!fic authors everywhere.
petulant2u thinks that asking for bad!fic is the beginning of a troll war.lady_jane tries to tell her not to feed the troll because they'll return, giving the definition of a troll, does more than imply that the troll is actually petulant2u but pet still. doesn't. get. it. and replies with a smiley face.
galeandrandy has an interesting perspective on bad!fic butpetulant2u has to have her say:
She tries to delete her comment in the thread but that's what we have the copy and paste function for:
AUTHORS HAVE CRIED AND LEFT FANDOM FOR BEING ON THOSE TYPES OF LISTS! CRIED, I SAY!
She is thicker skinned and can take criticism.
And this is really where it begins.
Quotable quotes from the thread:
petulant2u: caramisa, calm down. Rory and I are big girls. She certainly doesn't need you to defend her. There is no defending needed. This is a disagreement between us. We can handle it without getting ugly...
petulant2u: I never did get this whole 'it's good to critique' perspective. But that's just me. It's been my experience that unsolicited advise is never received well. How often have you read flame wars started because someone thought they were giving constructive criticism? It's art. I either like it or don't.
SHUT UP, IT'S ART!
petulant2u: and the 'troll' here, is the original poster. Seriously,,, asking for recs for bad fiction? Come on. If that's not trolling, I don't know what is. crackfic is one thing, but bad fic? Did you read the part where the post says they like to 'poke holes in the missing plots, have a giggle at the forgotten plot-points from two chapters..'
Now someone is suppose to direct them to such a fic? Publicly?
Maybe I'm wrong. What is the definition of a troll?
lady_jane already told her what one was and she obviously does not understand that she is one.
I'm sorry that you don't understand sarcasm -- says pet.
What do you mean pet's being negative?
People have a right to ask for what they want. Does pet think so?
Wait, I missed it. Is this her opinion?
Mod tells her to GET THE FUCK OUT (verbatim) but she still doesn't really get it. She is banned from the community.
Every single post that follows argues for or againstpetulant2u's banning.
petulant2u goes to whine about it in her journal (even though she is not bothered by it, btw) here, here (in an open post to the mods), and here.
People argue with her in her journal and she feels persecuted! She says it's her journal and that people "should at least knock" even though she's keeping every single one of these posts open for viewing.
She's attempted to delete some of the argumentative comments (feel free to post screenshots!).
As a result of all of this wank, somehowbuckeye5 (the writer of such notables like Jennifer Taylor IMs Brian Kinney, has virtual sex with him, and Brian kisses her at the end -- Mary Sue, subtle) has decided this whole thing is about her and flounces. Unfortunately, this was friends locked but it happened and people were asking about her being butt hurt on the interwebs. But, not to worry! She'll be back.
She wants the mods to take down her post so that she can alter history and pretend that none of it happened. Um, sorry. Wank doesn't work that way. It gets saved and posted onfandom_wank.
Summary: badfic is badfic and not art,petulant2u is the crusader for all badfic everywhere (including her own), mods at getithere will ban you if you troll the place, people who are butt hurt will publicly cry in their journals to their friends list who will always defend their idiocy, and Queer as Folk continues to be a fandom that has to hunt for any kind of quality fic. Tragic but true. Kudos to the mods for leaving the wank up!
Edit: Screenshots to her Twitter and locked posts to come!
[Picture removed. Irrelevant to wank.]
As with most television fandoms, once a show is over and finished, there are people from fandom who move on. It's much like having a gift that you love for several years but you have to return it after that set period of years. You return all the Good Fic, all the fun show discussions and conversations, and wonderful graphics. After the show, several years after the show, fandom becomes extremely watered down into Bad Fic, discussions that are repetitive, and more bad graphics than good graphics.
People take offense to this analysis. Here's where the wank comes in.
Original Poster asked the following question:
Subject: Quality fiction
I seem to become more and more frustrated because off all those crap fics out there. Spelling errors, gramma errors, wrong use of words, unbetaed works, fics totally without a decent story and so on and so on...
I'm sorry if I'm stepping on anyones toes here, that is not my intention, but I'm posting this in the hopes of finding a community somewhere in fandom that recs quality fics.
Thank you. (c:
She wanted to stop reading crappy fic. Now, what could possibly go wrong?
Many, many, many, many, many people agreed that the quality of fiction has gone down considerably over the years and all anyone will ever see is badfic.
petulant2u comes along and says that since fanfic is art and it's given to everyone for free, no one should complain!
She continues to argue:
Screenshot 1 - She didn't have a beta for her story and many, many people loved it because she wrote it from her heart. *cue violins*
Screenshot 2 - Only professional editors are allowed to criticize fanfic.
People use logic to explain why fans think there's so much badfic around:
Screenshot 3 - It was a nice attempt by the person she was arguing with.
Screenshot 4 - Mod interference with examples.
petulant2u will not be deterred: Screenshot 5 - There's nothing wrong with someone posting their art!
Screenshot 6 - People will judge writing whether petulant2u likes it or not.
Another mod comes along with good advice here, here, and here.
Screenshot 7 - pet thinks this thread is God awful.
Screenshot 8 - Long-time QaF writer has opinion about this.
Screenshot 9 - pet is shocked, SHOCKED that long-time fan has opposing opinion.
ipitydafool recognizes that this has turned into a "why I dislike new writers discussion" and that's discussed:Screenshot 10
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Screenshot 12
Screenshot 13
This fandom doesn't like it when people use character nicknames incorrectly! Surprise, surprise,
petulant2u doesn't agree with this either:Screenshot 14
Screenshot 15 - Nicknames are used often, according to her.
Screenshot 16 - Despite the canon explanation,
petulant2u thinks that vlredreign might be right. Don't read her stories then! They're only cannon (sic) ish.petulant2u WANTS EVERYONE TO KNOW THAT IF THEY'RE LOOKING FOR STORIES THAT MAKE SENSE OR ARE GRAMMATICALLY CORRECT THEN THEY NEED TO GO TO A BOOKSTORE!
She fights with the mod and this can't end well:
Screenshot 17 - Mod is in poor taste, says pet.
Screenshot 18 - IT'S STILL ART.
Screenshot 19 - Um, pet doesn't understand what journal titles are (at the bottom of this screenshot).
Screenshot 20 - Still doesn't understand journal titles.
Screenshot 21 - Mod explains but show of hands that she still doesn't get it, *hands*
Screenshot 22 - pet was born on the lower east side! She doesn't back down from fights.
Screenshot 23 - Free speech! Free speech! Attica!
Screenshot 24 - No one will beta for pet. Well, maybe one day when she writes a manuscript and someone edits it professionally!
You'd think that it'd end there but it didn't. People were fighting and arguing and would continue to do so until this, the last comment in the shot. That's a mod and up until now, everything's been about badfic. Then, shit got personal:
To
Show me exactly where I said it was hate speech. I dare you. What I'm really saying is that you're such a moron that you couldn't make a logical, well though out argument if I taped it to your fat ass and gave you a set of directions on how to find it.
That is what I'm saying. Think you can understand that?
To Mod:
um, no you compared bad free writing to gettng herpes, which is also free. An analogy. I was just posting another analogy. You opened the door.
Oh, and now my feelings are hurt. You called me a moron. I think I prefered the Wicked Bitch from the West..at least it was more original. I wonder, where are your stories? I'd like to read them sometime.
Gina Marie - looking at my ass and thinking I could lose a few pounds...
To
On the plus side, they make meds to make herpes go away. Unfortunately, you and your idiocy are still here. Do they make a cream to make you go away? Because, really, the more you talk, the more you show how often you rode a short bus and licked windows.
Yikes.
Mods covered their asses and quickly deleted all comments that were irrelevant to the thread topic.
petulant2u ran to whine and cry to her friends list and again.That was really the calm before the storm.
Original post - only one comment deletion, yay!
Original poster says:
However... occasionally (and I mean very occasionally), I like to indulge in some good Bad!fic. I can't help it, it's a compulsion.
What could go wrong, I ask?
anyusa0030 recommends a 6-year-old rec list and petulant2u shows up again to defend all bad!fic authors everywhere.petulant2u thinks that asking for bad!fic is the beginning of a troll war.
lady_jane tries to tell her not to feed the troll because they'll return, giving the definition of a troll, does more than imply that the troll is actually petulant2u but pet still. doesn't. get. it. and replies with a smiley face.galeandrandy has an interesting perspective on bad!fic but
petulant2u has to have her say:And so it begins....
She tries to delete her comment in the thread but that's what we have the copy and paste function for:
How about this, those authors who don't mind being on a badfic or crapfic list or feel humiliated or 'slapped' in the face, (as Rory feels when she reads something she feels wasn't written with love) can stay on those lists and those authors who feel slighted by being on one of those petty lists can start their own lists of worst commentors and reviews. I think it would be very entertaining. Kind of like a 'who's who's' of most rudest people in community.
I would start with the poster who created that list to begin with. I would say it was rude to do so...and yes, I know, Rory you wouldn't consider it rude to make a badfic list. In your own special way, you consider it an honor of sorts...that's the beauty of being individuals with differing views. One man's treasure is another mans trash. to me, that list is trash. but hey, if you like it...God Bless. You can stay on it...oh, but wait...you weren't on that list, were you?
Gina Marie
AUTHORS HAVE CRIED AND LEFT FANDOM FOR BEING ON THOSE TYPES OF LISTS! CRIED, I SAY!
She is thicker skinned and can take criticism.
And this is really where it begins.
Quotable quotes from the thread:
petulant2u: caramisa, calm down. Rory and I are big girls. She certainly doesn't need you to defend her. There is no defending needed. This is a disagreement between us. We can handle it without getting ugly...petulant2u: I never did get this whole 'it's good to critique' perspective. But that's just me. It's been my experience that unsolicited advise is never received well. How often have you read flame wars started because someone thought they were giving constructive criticism? It's art. I either like it or don't. SHUT UP, IT'S ART!
petulant2u: and the 'troll' here, is the original poster. Seriously,,, asking for recs for bad fiction? Come on. If that's not trolling, I don't know what is. crackfic is one thing, but bad fic? Did you read the part where the post says they like to 'poke holes in the missing plots, have a giggle at the forgotten plot-points from two chapters..'Now someone is suppose to direct them to such a fic? Publicly?
Maybe I'm wrong. What is the definition of a troll?
lady_jane already told her what one was and she obviously does not understand that she is one. I'm sorry that you don't understand sarcasm -- says pet.
What do you mean pet's being negative?
People have a right to ask for what they want. Does pet think so?
First I'm not saying what anyone should or should not do. I never did. I was merely stating my opinion that it is in poor taste to label someone's work as 'badfic'. My opinion. Period. People can obviously say and do as they want. I said I found 'badfic' list in poor taste. Again, my opinion. I never called for a ban labeling or on lists, or on people who make them... this is merely my opinion.
Wait, I missed it. Is this her opinion?
Mod tells her to GET THE FUCK OUT (verbatim) but she still doesn't really get it. She is banned from the community.
Every single post that follows argues for or against
petulant2u's banning.petulant2u goes to whine about it in her journal (even though she is not bothered by it, btw) here, here (in an open post to the mods), and here.People argue with her in her journal and she feels persecuted! She says it's her journal and that people "should at least knock" even though she's keeping every single one of these posts open for viewing.
She's attempted to delete some of the argumentative comments (feel free to post screenshots!).
As a result of all of this wank, somehow
buckeye5 (the writer of such notables like Jennifer Taylor IMs Brian Kinney, has virtual sex with him, and Brian kisses her at the end -- Mary Sue, subtle) has decided this whole thing is about her and flounces. Unfortunately, this was friends locked but it happened and people were asking about her being butt hurt on the interwebs. But, not to worry! She'll be back.She wants the mods to take down her post so that she can alter history and pretend that none of it happened. Um, sorry. Wank doesn't work that way. It gets saved and posted on
fandom_wank.Summary: badfic is badfic and not art,
petulant2u is the crusader for all badfic everywhere (including her own), mods at getithere will ban you if you troll the place, people who are butt hurt will publicly cry in their journals to their friends list who will always defend their idiocy, and Queer as Folk continues to be a fandom that has to hunt for any kind of quality fic. Tragic but true. Kudos to the mods for leaving the wank up!Edit: Screenshots to her Twitter and locked posts to come!
[Picture removed. Irrelevant to wank.]
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