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seiberwing ([info]seiberwing) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2011-05-01 16:07:00


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Entry tags:comics, political wank, social experiment, troll

I'm sure it's happening elsewhere, too.
RPG.net has often been accused of having a Liberal Hive Mind, or being unfriendly towards right-wing posters. Today morgonstjarnan takes a stand against this tyranny by posting a thread titled Superman & socialist self-loathing to Other Media.



So I just read that Superman is going to abandon his American citizenship. He's going to announce it to the UN (!) at about the same time as Syria joins the human rights council. Best timing ever? But I guess someone had to replace Libya.....

It's both sad and fascinating to watch the American cultural suicide from afar. Like a trainwreck: You know it's wrong, but you can't look away.

Guess the only difference here is that the train driver and half the passengers are shouting gleefully "Crash it! Crash it! We deserve it!"


The crowd reacts with mixed confusion and amusement, especially since anyone who even read the link (let alone the comic) knows what’s not what’s going on. Still, morgonstjarnan seems to take Tangency’s negative reaction to his statement to be a clear sign that he’s right.

I'll see if I can help. "It really sucks that the second someone doesn't agree with socialist values, they all gang up together to denigrate, bully, and insult the poor sucker dumb enough not to conform to the red collective." Does that get you hot?

There’s also an odd segue where he has some…uncommon interpretations of “The Last Temptation of Christ”, as well as the main character himself.

True. It's blatantly obvious where the money is, and how it is avoided. If socialists had been interested in actually selling stuff, they'd do pro-America war movies and pro-Christian movies. Instead we get Lions for Lambs, the Green Zone, and the Last Temptation of Christ. Can't blame the darlings for not being ideologically pure, at least.

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I think the whole argument that if the Last Temptation of Christ is not Christian, then the Bible isn't either is pretty ridiculous. Scorsese wanted to turn Jesus into a liberal wet dream, and the box office scores showed the result. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Las...m)#Controversy
Now, you can argue about it back and forth. I don't really care, I'm not Christian and the whole conservative/liberal thing is so silly. My reply to the post was simply agreeing that socialists don't seem to want to make money, or they'd make pro-Christian movies instead of magical dreams of Jesus being naughty.

I'm not familair with the LA political scene. I'm familiar with Christian Democrats, Social Liberals, Liberal Conservatism, Liberals (not US ones), Green environmentalists, social democrats, socialists, and both the extreme left and the extreme right. And I can't imagine anyone but socialists, Islamists, or the extreme left purposefully throw away their Swedish citizenship to avoid offending Iran.


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First, it's kind of odd comparing Christian values with Superman, who I seem to recall was created by individuals who weren't Christian. Right? And let's be honest here, Jesus was a hell of lot more than some wacky love guru. He predicted eternal, burning hell for sinners. He told people to rip out their own eye if it sinned. And I'm pretty sure when it comes to Iran, he'd say without a doubt that when they die, since they didn't go through him, they're all condemned to the fires.

And secondly, look.. if you can't even agree that flying in to the UN (are you having trouble "accepting" it is corrupt?) and renouncing his US citizenship is an incredibly powerful, symbolic gesture there's not a whole lot more we can talk about.


Of course it turns out to have all been a big social experiment—but he was still right, you know.

Actually, I posted the other thread more as an experiment than anything else. Why?

I read the "Superman about to make wingnuts go crazy" thread. Yeah, I usually stay out of Tangency-related things since I know how rabidly hostile some lefties are to political disagreement even if otherwise decent people. Anyway, the OP was virtually bouncing around in glee at how righties will seethe at yet another (perceived?) insult, after Black Panther called some old protesters who want smaller government (and some sort of tea?) racists. This is followed by much nodding and calm discussion, and some link here or there to some "wingnut" at a right-wing version of HuffPo taking offense.

So I figure, I try and make a mirror post from some Greg Gutfeld perspective and we see what happens. 5 pages of hate. And me being accused of being a Pat Buchanan fan. So I popped back in and said nope, not a fan of the extreme right. More hatred ensues. Insults, ignores, being called an idiot, swear words, strawmen arguments, words taken out of context, etc.

I'm not sure if its a conscious, methodical bullying or simply ignorance, but non-lefties are routinely getting their values, ideas, culture bashed on here. It is taken for granted that HuffPo is good and the Daily Telegraph evil. Try to turn the tables and the sheer rage and attempts at degradation are staggering. Years ago I posted a thread about how Margaret Thatcher was great, and that people shouldn't talk about pissing on her grave (they did). 70 pages of hatred followed (despite not a single reply from me).

Of course there are exceptions. This thread's discussion turned out rather nicely despite the premise. Thanks for that, it is more appreciated than you know. Now time for sleep.




The mods, who while competent and gracious often have a habit of spoiling the fun, are quick to evict him after this revelation. The Trouble Tickets thread also reveals this isn’t his first violation.

Silly Superman trolls. Don’t they know it’s Captain America who’s commanded to wank?



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[info]spawn_of_kong
2011-05-02 02:45 am UTC (link)
I think some more of this post needs to be italicized, for the sake of clarification (i.e.: I thought it was you calling The Last Temptation of Christ a liberal wet-dream, for instance).

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[info]seiberwing
2011-05-02 02:47 am UTC (link)
I think I intended it to be included in a giant block between the italics tags, and it didn't work.

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[info]ridureyu
2011-05-02 02:52 am UTC (link)
Wait, Superman becoming a "citizen of the world" is a liberal thing? Hasn't he been doing this since like the '40s?

That, and some friends of mine have kind of pointed out to me that this is not a "liberal" move, it's a very, very, very... Well, look at this:

-George W. Bush is president. Superman is fine with that.
-Lex Luthor is president. Superman is fine with that.
-A black man is president. Superman renounces his citizenship.


(Comments in this vein can easily veer into UFB. Please be careful. Note that I did not equate "right-wing" with "racist." Please do not do something like that.)



But yeah. This? If they're trying to be political, they're probably sending the opposite message. It'll be quickly forgotten in no time. And moreso, this is avoiding the BIGGEST ISSUE:

-If Superman is an American citizen (and votes), and Clark Kent is an American citizen (and votes), then Superman is guilty of voter fraud.

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[info]seiberwing
2011-05-02 03:02 am UTC (link)
That's not really the point, and it's the same point that morgon missed: Superman's renouncing his citizenship to protect the US from Iranian backlash, not because he dislikes the US. And also it's a one-shot, not mainstream canon.

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(no subject) - [info]ridureyu, 2011-05-02 03:05 am UTC
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[info]bcaluroso
2011-05-07 08:42 am UTC (link)
OT, but I've been wondering this for quite some time - what is that in your icon?

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[info]vergilsparda
2011-05-02 03:08 am UTC (link)
Isn't Superman technically an illegal alien?

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[info]ridureyu
2011-05-02 03:08 am UTC (link)
I demand to see his long-form birth certificate.

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(no subject) - [info]vergilsparda, 2011-05-02 03:09 am UTC
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[info]platedlizard
2011-05-02 04:51 am UTC (link)
I actually looked up the law on that once.

Basically if a minor child with no documentation and no memory (or is unable to communicate) where they came from is found anywhere in the US they are considered a citizen so long as no proof shows up before they are 21 to indicate otherwise. So, if Ma and Pa Kent neglected to report that Clark came from a spaceship until after he turned 21 he would be a full, natural born citizen.

If it were proved that he was an alien he is also covered under the Child Citizenship Act of 2000, where the child (under 18) becomes a naturalized citizen if they are residing in the US under the custody of at least one citizen parent. This is for both the case of children who were born outside of the US before at least one of their parents became a naturalized citizen, and in the case of foreign-born children who are adopted by a US citizen. Since the Kents are US citizens their adoption of him would make him a legal citizen.

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[info]iczer6
2011-05-02 04:23 am UTC (link)
What does this have to do with RPGs?

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[info]seiberwing
2011-05-02 04:25 am UTC (link)
Other Media is for...well, other media. Books, movies, TV shows. There's another forum for video games, and Tangency Open is the forum for random conversation (though you can't see it without a membership).

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(no subject) - [info]iczer6, 2011-05-02 05:45 am UTC

[info]shinga
2011-05-02 08:09 pm UTC (link)
He botched his social experiment roll?

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(no subject) - [info]tofuknight, 2011-05-03 02:50 pm UTC

[info]sephydark
2011-05-02 08:22 am UTC (link)
Ah, I see he used the old social experiment excuse. Works every time. *sagely nod*

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[info]visp
2011-05-02 10:19 pm UTC (link)
Still, I can't see why anyone's that surprised at Superman doing something wacky. Superdickery, anyone? He sorta does crazy shit all the time.

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[info]agrias
2011-05-02 10:47 pm UTC (link)
As a result of superdickery.com I'm more concerned about what Jimmy Olsen is up to.

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[info]ahiru
2011-05-03 02:21 am UTC (link)
Maybe at the end of the issue we'll find out that Superman wasn't really renouncing his citizenship, it was all part of Superman's own special social experiment. And then he'll kick a puppy.

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(no subject) - [info]cmdr_zoom, 2011-05-03 04:28 am UTC

[info]gabzillaz
2011-05-02 10:38 pm UTC (link)
...what?

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[info]fern_on_fen
2011-05-02 11:36 pm UTC (link)
Erm...when did Superman BECOME a citizen? Like, he's from another planet, and he was adopted. Do people adopted by American citizens automatically get citizenship or do they have to go through the process?

...WHY AM I THINKING ABOUT THIS?! OH GOD.

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[info]hilohello
2011-05-03 01:39 am UTC (link)
If Superman renounces his citizenship, what happens to Clark Kent?

If, as far as the public is concerned, Kent and Superman are two different people, did Kent's citizenship even apply to Superman?

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(no subject) - [info]platedlizard, 2011-05-03 02:38 am UTC
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[info]hadesphoenix
2011-05-03 02:33 am UTC (link)
But superheroes can be liberal too!

The comic nerd in me just can't get past the Margaret Thatcher Maze Prison bit. /missing the point

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[info]chienne
2011-05-03 03:18 am UTC (link)
I think the whole argument that if the Last Temptation of Christ is not Christian, then the Bible isn't either is pretty ridiculous. Scorsese wanted to turn Jesus into a liberal wet dream.

So having doubts and fears makes you a liberal now? Fascinating.

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[info]teaqueenie
2011-05-03 03:56 am UTC (link)
I am lost...oh, I'll have some vodka and a reread.

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[info]moongazingfae
2011-05-03 02:16 pm UTC (link)
So basically, this storyline involves Superman attempting to disassociate himself from the USA so that the US isn't held responsible for, and subsequently attacked over, his personal act of solidarity?

I realise I've not been reading closely, but I have no idea what Social Experiment Guy is saying; it really appears to be a load of wharblgarbl to me. His posts are as cohesive as a spam email text put through an online translator several times. If I try and read slowly, it seems that he's displaying a spectacular talent for missing the point. If I skim, it just looks like he's taken a few sentences from every third page of The Tinfoil-Hatter's Diary and put them into paragraphs.

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[info]kattahj
2011-05-03 06:39 pm UTC (link)
A guy whose username means "The Morningstar" turns out to be a troll. Oh how surprised I'm not. :-)

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[info]alcesx2
2011-05-03 07:09 pm UTC (link)
I was wondering if there was going to be any good wank fall out from this. The minute I heard the news, I could already hear the sound of a thousand fanboys screaming.

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