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The Mad Bishounen ([info]jkefka) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2011-06-14 11:39:00


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Entry tags:mod wank

First class kink wank, mod vs. comm edition
Pointed at this little gem by a friend who peruses kink comms a lot more than I do.

1stclass_kink is a very popular kink meme based on some high school superhero drama or other that is ripe for the kinking. All is well, good, and kinky, and then the mod makes a rule clarification post.

The post is clear and professional, no underage sex prompts in the comm. Well, clear give or take not defining "underage," and professional give or take, well:

That said, everyone else did not make the rules for this kink meme - I did. They worked for other fandoms, I believed they would work for this one, too. I still believe that. But there is one rule that a lot of people participating in this kink meme do not like, and that is the restriction on posting prompts and fills with underage characters in sexual situations.

If you are uncomfortable with this rule and feel you that you can't observe it, why did you choose to participate in this kink meme? By choosing to take part in it, you chose to observe its rules. These rules are not going to be changed because you do not like them. These rules are not going to be changed because you believe you have superior reasoning and judgement to the person who made them. These rules are not going to be changed because of how highly thought of you are in a different fandom.


Gee, you'd think people had screaming hissyfits about how this is fine in other commas and it should be fine here, and that the comm is for the users, not the tyrannical despot mod. Well, if they didn't before, they certainly did now!

The first comment is a pretty straightforward question: "This means none of the students, right?" The problem is simple, "underage" is never defined, either in the clarification post or in the original rules post. As many people point out, different countries define "underage" in different ways. However, with no more explanation or clarification forthcoming, confusion and argument run rampant as Wolverine's back hair.

Other points of issue come up, though their roots are uncertain. According to one notable post, the mod has "brushed off other suggestions regarding trigger warnings", i.e. has none. The mod also argues from the LJ ToS and US Law, inaccurately. Then she falls in the comm member entitlement tiger trap:

You say "I did not expect or hope that this would be a successful community, it has been because of everyone else" as if this relieves you of responsibility for the fact that the predominant kink meme of a rapidly growing and likely to become quite large fandom has ended up in your lap. It doesn't. If you don't feel that you can properly manage it in an informed and mature fashion, I strongly suggest you hand the reins over to someone else now. Telling people they are welcome to the other kink meme/encouraging them to go there is just asking for a schism that a baby fandom like this doesn't need.

Yes, it is absolutely your fault that the comm has become popular and you must therefore bend your comm to the will of the masses! This argument comes up several times (for example) throughout the comments. There's also a lot of very huffy flouncing to the xmen_firstkink comm that the mod quite reasonably recommends in the OP as an alternative where underage is allowed (provided, of course, you can figure out the definition of "underage").

The mice also wank themselves into a furor, coming down on both sides of the issue.

Other gems include, "This is just another case of 'Your Kink Is Not OK!'" and its drinking buddy "You're powertripping hard!". Variations of all of the above arguments are repeated throughout the three pages (and growing) of comments, in between the occasional teal deer stampede.

Where's the mod in all this? She never responds to that post, but explains some of her logic in another post, basically "Don't wanna be TOSed and I trust you people to tag your own triggers so I don't have to."

TL;DR Kink meme mod makes unnecessarily snippy and nonspecific rule post, comm goes collectively apeshit and says stupid things, but at least they're keeping the argument out of the pr0ns (or at least the prompt post).



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[info]katsuko
2011-06-14 06:39 pm UTC (link)
Wow... I think the most astonishing part of all this is the fact that underage wasn't clarified. It's all well and good to say "I don't wanna get TOSsed so keep the youngin's outta this," but it's better to say "no under 18 so that it's all good." I know that's the age given on the kink memes I've followed/been part of, so it's a decent rule of thumb.

The fact that she never answers any of the questions directly suggests - to me - that she might actually need a co-mod to help her out with nailing down the rules and answering inquiries. Co-mods are a godsend IMHO.

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[info]brennalarose
2011-06-14 07:17 pm UTC (link)
Word. Most countries seem to agree that, one way or another, 18 is acceptable for the pr0n, so, in a public forum that's probably a pretty safe age.

Unless, she's really hoping that people are going to obey the spirit of the law, rather than the letter. In which case, I'll have kettle corn and dirty mojitos on standby.

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(no subject) - [info]cmdr_zoom, 2011-06-14 07:36 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]visp, 2011-06-15 05:09 am UTC

[info]lady_ganesh
2011-06-15 03:28 am UTC (link)
Wow... I think the most astonishing part of all this is the fact that underage wasn't clarified.

Same here. I think people can debate reasonably about what they want/don't want on a kink meme, but to say 'no underage' without saying what 'underage' actually means is baffling. (And wankbait.)

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(no subject) - [info]ridureyu, 2011-06-15 03:54 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]tehrin, 2011-06-15 05:32 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]puipui, 2011-06-15 09:45 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ridureyu, 2011-06-15 08:53 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]judyhazeleyes, 2011-06-15 10:59 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ridureyu, 2011-06-16 04:08 am UTC

[info]snacky
2011-06-14 07:43 pm UTC (link)
I am not sure of the logic of banning underage characters in a movie set in a school, but...why don't they just change the name to xaviermagneto_kink and be done with it?

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[info]beccastareyes
2011-06-14 07:49 pm UTC (link)
Because that's too many letters for a LJ comm name? ;-)

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(no subject) - [info]brennalarose, 2011-06-14 08:20 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]cmdr_zoom, 2011-06-14 09:39 pm UTC

[info]miraba
2011-06-14 08:06 pm UTC (link)
You mean that wasn't taken long ago? ;)

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[info]doyle
2011-06-14 08:29 pm UTC (link)
None of the characters are underage in the movie, though (except maybe Banshee, I guess? I think he's the only one we don't see at his job) - I assumed the comm owner was thinking of pre-movie or deaged/AU fic but explained it badly.

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(no subject) - [info]zyna_kat, 2011-06-14 08:41 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]doyle, 2011-06-14 08:53 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]zyna_kat, 2011-06-15 12:41 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]candy, 2011-06-15 02:44 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]jackandahat, 2011-07-01 12:02 pm UTC

[info]zyna_kat
2011-06-14 08:38 pm UTC (link)
Were the students underaged, though? Mystique was drinking in a bar, Angel was working at a strip club, the Beast was working for the CIA, Darwin looked older than 18 (actor born in 1979). Havok and Banshee looked young, but the actors who play them are over 20.

The only underaged characters were a young Charles, a young Erik, and a young Raven. I can see a community wanting to avoid Sebastian Shaw/young Erik pairings, but still have plenty else to write about.

That said, yeesh, what a clusterfuck. And I wish Riptide had a larger role in the movie, because he was smokin'!

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(no subject) - [info]sepiamagpie, 2011-06-14 11:24 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]candy, 2011-06-15 02:45 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]zyna_kat, 2011-06-15 02:02 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]lady_ganesh, 2011-06-15 03:30 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ridureyu, 2011-06-15 03:50 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]lady_ganesh, 2011-06-15 03:51 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ridureyu, 2011-06-15 04:03 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]blue_penguin, 2011-06-15 03:42 pm UTC

[info]duraniedrama
2011-06-14 08:36 pm UTC (link)
Ever have one of those moments when you read a ranty post on your friends list and then you read fandom wank and think "Oh! That's what set that off!"

This is one of those moments.

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[info]puipui
2011-06-14 10:36 pm UTC (link)
some high school superhero drama or other

Is it bad that I didn't know which one you meant until I scrolled down to the comments?

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[info]jkefka
2011-06-14 10:38 pm UTC (link)
I haven't even seen it and I probably won't, but it's one of those wanks where you can plug in almost any fandom and it works just fine.

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[info]sepiamagpie
2011-06-14 11:25 pm UTC (link)
it's more mutant grad school, in the movie.

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[info]argylespy
2011-06-15 12:07 am UTC (link)
I'll be honest, I didn't know either until the xmen_firstkink mention. And even then I thought they were talking about an X-Men: Evolution kinkmeme until I remembered there was another movie.

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[info]anthologia
2011-06-15 01:15 am UTC (link)
I thought it was about Sky High, at first.

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(no subject) - [info]puipui, 2011-06-15 05:02 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]cmdr_zoom, 2011-06-15 05:42 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]puipui, 2011-06-15 09:47 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]cmdr_zoom, 2011-06-15 08:59 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]comixology, 2011-06-20 07:35 pm UTC

[info]guera
2011-06-15 02:19 am UTC (link)
the high school part threw me...there is really nothing 'high school' about that movie :\

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(no subject) - [info]ridureyu, 2011-06-15 03:49 am UTC

[info]ridureyu
2011-06-15 03:46 am UTC (link)
Dang, there goes my hope of shipping Azazel with everybody.

I mean, Azazel was the best part of the movie! You know, you'd have Hank whining and angsting about how "My feet are marginally abnormal! SOCIETY WILL NEVER ACCEPT ME WAAAAAAH!", and meanwhile, there's this dude who looks just like the friggin' DEVIL, and he's just strutting around, whistling, twirling his tail, wearing a nice suit, putting on a jaunty captain's hat, and shanking government agents, totally happy with himself.

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[info]varethane
2011-06-15 05:30 am UTC (link)
I was sad at Azazel's presence, entirely because now if they include Nightcrawler in a future movie his shtick as the freaky-looking teleporter will have already been taken 8'C (and Nightcrawler is my favouritest)

....so maybe it's a silly thing to be sad about, oh well. Azazel had all the best fighting moves though, holy shit.

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(no subject) - [info]argylespy, 2011-06-15 05:37 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]varethane, 2011-06-15 08:08 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]argylespy, 2011-06-15 08:11 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]varethane, 2011-06-15 11:40 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]argylespy, 2011-06-15 11:43 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]panthea, 2011-06-16 03:02 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]misachan, 2011-06-15 05:43 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]bacon_lover, 2011-06-15 06:41 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]cmdr_zoom, 2011-06-15 10:28 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]yoritomo_reiko, 2011-06-15 03:05 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]varethane, 2011-06-15 11:43 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]cmdr_zoom, 2011-06-16 01:38 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]hallidae, 2011-06-16 02:58 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]varethane, 2011-06-15 08:13 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]misachan, 2011-06-15 10:11 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]varethane, 2011-06-15 11:18 pm UTC

[info]sequinedlizard
2011-06-15 06:45 am UTC (link)
Azazel and Riptide were balls of badass and hot. Shaw was an evil bastard, but his minions had confidence, which is very appealing.

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(no subject) - [info]kuromitsu, 2011-06-15 10:56 pm UTC

[info]goddessleila
2011-06-15 05:49 am UTC (link)
When I saw a reference to First class kink memes, my first thought was of a different wank entirely, since a peruse of my flist pulled up two links just from this afternoon about the treatment of disability on the kinkmeme comms. On the other hand, that would definitely belong on unfunnyfandom.

Somehow, fresh fandoms always manage to bring fresh fail.

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[info]bacon_lover
2011-06-15 06:43 am UTC (link)
http://1stclass-kink.livejournal.com/2927.html?thread=2209391#t2209391

(Anonymous)
2011-06-10 10:40 pm UTC (link)
Laws you can argue, internet community rules you cannot.

Reply:
BAHAHAHAHA. The legal system is a wild and untamed place, but here on the internet, we are going to have ORDER, goddammit.

Hilarious. Also, I really liked the 'Sassy Gay Friend' response at

http://1stclass-kink.livejournal.com/2927.html?thread=1892975#t1892975

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(no subject) - [info]puipui, 2011-06-15 09:53 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ridureyu, 2011-06-15 08:51 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]bacon_lover, 2011-06-16 06:47 am UTC

[info]mechanicaljewel
2011-06-15 10:29 am UTC (link)
No wonder none of my prompts got filled :(

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[info]gintoki
2011-06-15 01:57 pm UTC (link)
I don't understand why everyone can't just take the h-games approach to kink, aka putting your fingers in your ears, adopting an innocent expression, and chanting "of course everyone is above the age of consent here, lalalalala~"

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(no subject) - [info]lainey, 2011-06-15 02:12 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ridureyu, 2011-06-15 08:50 pm UTC

[info]napalmnacey
2011-06-15 11:27 pm UTC (link)
I'm sorry, you lost me at Wolverine's back hair.

Mmm... Wolverine's back... *swoon*. I don't care if it's hairy. *thud*

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(no subject) - [info]napalmnacey, 2011-06-15 11:32 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sequinedlizard, 2011-06-16 01:19 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]librarianmouse, 2011-06-16 03:26 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ridureyu, 2011-06-16 04:03 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sequinedlizard, 2011-06-16 08:11 am UTC

[info]ridureyu
2011-06-16 01:00 am UTC (link)
Okay, so X-Men shipping is out, then. I guess we're gonna have to be a little more creative from now on.

What about This?

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(no subject) - [info]anarchicq, 2011-06-17 08:37 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ridureyu, 2011-06-18 12:15 am UTC

[info]ari_o
2011-06-19 04:50 am UTC (link)
I'll have to read this when I am sober. *raises glass*

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