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Loopywafflehead ([info]loopywafflehead) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2011-10-08 20:58:00


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Entry tags:fandom: glee, reviews

So here's what you missed on kurt_blaine...
Many thanks to the anon on wank_report for this one; I've used some of your wording in this post. (Note: there are spoilers for an upcoming episode of Glee in the links.)

Pyroclastic, one of the wankier BNF's of the Glee fandom and a former mod of the kurt_blaine community on lj, posts a fic to said community. The drama starts in the first thread when she pretends not to know why a mod has asked her to place the spoilers in her author notes behind a cut:

boysinperil: …Just remove all the references to [the spoiler], or delete the whole thing and just post it on tumblr, because I'm tired of your being thick about this. You helped WRITE the spoiler rules, you know them.

Then windrider1967 leaves a review:

Beautiful, if a bit too polished. Still wonderfully done and sweet and hot at the same time

Pyroclastic does not like this review. She complains on her Tumblr. Even though she blacks out windrider’s name, it’s easy enough for everyone to figure out who wrote the comment.

Naderegen points out that it's mostly a compliment and the concrit isn't slamming the fic, but pyroclastic is not appeased.

Canniblaine tells windrider that pyroclastic and her minions are mocking her. Said minions then make an appearance.

Pyroclastic complains to the mods, who agree to screen the more problematic comments while also letting her know she’s pretty much working their last nerve:

Rebootuniverse: ...You know what, you're not stupid, you knew exactly what you did when you made that post, and you knew exactly what would follow. Pretend to be the innocent one all you want, but you just can't take any actual negative commentary about what you write. There are a million other ways you could have gone about asking the reviewer what they meant before making that post, even if you couldn't open the community. A dozen other choices you could have made other than one that was bordering on insulting to the reviewer and dismissive that there might be something other than a positive opinion to your fic.

Bottom line is, you react to things as if you're better than every other person on the comm, and if half of the things you say on tumblr were said here we would have had to ban you by now. But we don't, because we don't ban people for things they say and do on other communities.


Rebootuniverse comments on the entire situation on her Tumblr and receives anonymous attacks in response. (For some reason, jf won't let me create a link for this one: http://rebootuniverse.tumblr.com/post/11119180193/fucking-delete-canniblaine-and-ban-them-you-biased). There are also messages of support and people wanting to know why pyroclastic hasn't been banned yet; everything can be found on her Twitter.


Two other critical reviews are left on the fic but haven't resulted in the same kind of response (as far as I can tell). And to round it all off, the glee_anon threads on the situation are here and here.

ETA: It gets wankier: http://gleewank.tumblr.com/post/10332827277/the-epic-saga-of-p-and-her-pa-attitude



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[info]ladyophelia14
2011-10-09 12:31 am UTC (link)
These kinds of rants always remind me of what my Basic Drawing teacher in university said on our first day: "If you can't take criticism, get out of my classroom, go straight to the registrar, and CHANGE YOUR MAJOR." I loved that class and I have a thick skin now! I wish people could take some concrit these days!

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[info]cat_mcdougall
2011-10-09 01:51 am UTC (link)
I... I think I love your teacher. Can I have them?

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[info]eleutheria
2011-10-09 01:57 am UTC (link)
Did your teacher at least soften the blow a little on her first crits?

(I love what your teacher said, but do think there's a line somewhere between thin not yet thick enough and teacher crits that are actually abusive. There was an architecture professor whose class was required for arch majors (for some reason, I knew a lot of arch majors) and his critiques were so personal and so brutal that even the most thick-skinned person would walk out crying. That kind of thing seems over the top to me.)

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[info]ladyophelia14
2011-10-09 03:54 am UTC (link)
Actually, he was super rough (though not personal, always about the work) the first year. When I had him in second year for intaglio he ws like a different human being. He said if you couldn't handle it you'd have dropped first year, after that he'd treat you like a colleague. He was actually a cool guy, he just had no time for people being precious about their work.

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[info]jujubee
2011-10-09 06:05 am UTC (link)
I'm missing out on a prof like that this semester. He usually teaches the first semester of my program, but he has taken a leave of absence. His class in later semesters he's much nicer. The stories I hear about him are brutal, but I feel like I'm losing out by not getting him. :(

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[info]risha
2011-10-09 04:15 pm UTC (link)
The thing is, a lot of schools do this as a matter of policy, in order to weed out anyone they feel can't hack it. Notably at my school, it was the Art majors and Ceramic Engineers, which not coincidentally were some of the hardest majors with the lowest post-college employability. After the first year they treat you like human beings again.

My Art student freshman roommate was often up to 2 or 3 am everyday working on projects, and she wasn't alone. I have no idea how she managed her (very active) social life, too.

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[info]ecchaniz0r
2011-10-09 06:37 pm UTC (link)
My first life drawing prof was like that. By no means was he a douche, but he gave hardass critique.

Nor was he a hypocrite, as you'd often hear him murmuring to himself as he drew: "Yes, marvellous, your unique interpretation of a cube will rock the art world, me."

He had high standards and he applied them equally to his own work, and he didn't expect miracles but he DID expect people to try.

I miss him XD The college had to cajole him into retiring because he just WOULD NOT, and he's the one who taught me that a genetic hand tremor will slow down/ease off to more tolerable levels if you grab a beer/put half a shot of whatever you like in your mug of coffee or tea. To this day if I have to do finicky, terrifying detail work, I take that advice.

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[info]gerorin
2011-10-09 05:10 am UTC (link)
...Did you went to my Univ?

Except most of my Arch professors were like that, and I didn't build tougher skin from it because I was already in a bad place before deciding on that major.

Being in a bad place mentally + majoring in architecture is not a good combination.

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[info]ekaterinv
2011-10-09 07:42 am UTC (link)
Yeah. Concrit, and being able to take concrit, is one thing. Being expected to sit there and take it while people are frankly abusive is another. I had a creative writing class like the latter once. I chose to write a fantasy story, rather than the kind of "realistic" story most other people in the class praised (i.e. something where everyone was boringly miserable all the time and in which the sex was either rape or blah). Then I got to sit there while people talked about how much they despised fantasy and what a waste of time it was and why was I even bothering with this garbage and how every word I'd written was trash because it wasn't "realistic". A couple people gave actual constructive criticism, but the nasty stuff was so bad, and so nasty for the sake of being nasty, that I spent the rest of the day with my head under the covers, dropped the class the next day, and couldn't bring myself to write anything for a year.

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[info]loopywafflehead
2011-10-09 12:18 pm UTC (link)
I'm so sorry that happened. Those people should be forced to watch episode 2x14 of Glee over and over, until they run screaming into the ocean. The writing teacher I had absolutely hated people like this. Nothing got her angrier than hearing about bad teachers who put down students and allowed abusive behaviour in their classes. She'd never allow anything like that in her classes and wouldn't hesitate to throw people out if they wouldn't behave.

I hope you've found a better class and have been writing all kinds of awesome fantasy! (Also, to combine replies, your comment above about the lube dribbling the right way resulted in a hilarious mental image that will never go away.)

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[info]ekaterinv
2011-10-10 02:30 am UTC (link)
For my resume: "I got a picture of an anus stuck in someone's head."

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[info]nevadafighter
2011-10-09 08:24 pm UTC (link)
This right here is the reason my fiction writing teacher spent most of the first class explaining the difference between useful and useless criticism, and that no one was allowed to bash a particular genre just because they felt above it (and it helped that she's a sci-fi author); in other words to can the self-absorbed snooty lit-major superiority. It makes critiquing so much better when comments are focused on the elements of the story rather than on one's own preferences or prejudices.

I'm sorry you had to go through that, and a pox on those idiots.

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[info]ekaterinv
2011-10-10 02:30 am UTC (link)
She sounds like an awesome teacher, and thanks.

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[info]beccastareyes
2011-10-09 04:59 pm UTC (link)
Though I wonder what major would suit them; I'm a grad student in the sciences, and my drafts come back from my adviser covered in red ink with changes suggested. My adviser is the most easy-going guy I've met*, and his criticism is polite and usually right**, but he's not inclined to let even commas slide, let alone ideas I don't explain well or science that needs more work. (Of course, he's also chief editor of a big journal in our field, he may care a bit more about the grammar than most.)

* With the possible exception of my undergrad adviser. Actually, most of the astronomers I've worked with have been pretty awesome people.

** And if it's wrong, it usually means I did a crummy job of explaining something and he got the wrong idea.

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[info]franzen
2011-10-09 06:15 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, I know people in the social sciences who've cried after seeing their advisors. One actually took a leave of absence because he felt he was too incompetent for his Big Deal professor... professor begged him to come back. (He didn't believe in praising the obvious or the expected and he went hard on people he felt had potential as a sign of respect. Major crossed wires there. Knowing the ground rules certainly helps in academia.)

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[info]quantumreality
2011-10-10 05:43 pm UTC (link)
Word on your grad adviser. My thesis was exchaustively looked at by my supervisor and by at LEAST one other guy, and both of them were pretty much spot-on about what needed changing and they were (almost always) polite about it.

And yes, the red ink flowed :P

(Deleted/reposted because holy awkward sentence, Batman.)

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