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	chaos_priestess 2003-08-10 07:09 am UTC (link)
	*snort* Okay, The Ring was creepy. It relied waaaay too much on "GOTCHA!" moments, though, instead of pure psychological terror. At least Ringu was less gross. And the people actually looked literally scared to death. And it relied on your own brain freaking you out. Le sigh. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	unnamed 2003-08-10 07:16 pm UTC (link)
	"Exactly!" said a holier-than-thou fan of the original. "Psychological terror all the way!" Then he got down from his soapbox and admitted that yes, that was pretty wanky. Ce la vie. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	chaos_priestess 2003-08-12 01:20 am UTC (link)
	Che... the original was like reading H.P. Lovecraft. Sure, by today's standards what he writes isn't scary. That is, unless you have an overactive imagination and your brain works against you. What can I say? I like scaring myself more than someone else trying to scare me. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	kyuuketsukirui 2003-08-10 07:11 am UTC (link)
	Mmm...on the one hand we have the wanky superiority complexes of the fans of the original, and on the other hand we have the blatant racism and cultural ignorance of the fans of the US version. Yum! Grace (Reply to this)(Thread)

	shoiryu 2003-08-10 07:26 am UTC (link)
	I know. Difficult choice, that. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	iczer6 2003-08-10 07:32 am UTC (link)
	I have to go with superiority complex here. I mean I was willing to let it go till I got to the 'but the names are SOOO HARD' part and then I started violently twitching. Jeebus I know we're all entitled to our opinions but when one's opinion is 'it's retarded' and the 'all the Japanese people look alike' it does make me regret the whole entitled aspect. Icz (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	kyuuketsukirui 2003-08-10 07:46 am UTC (link)
	Yeah, the whole "all dem furriners look the same to me" attitude really grates. Grace (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

rann 2003-08-10 07:58 am UTC (link)

Well, to my mind it's no great sin to have some difficulty telling apart the actors in a movie made up entirely of a foreign nationality. I don't say this because "All them Asians look just the same!" or something like that, but more because most of us in this part of the world don't see a LOT of Asians in our day-to-day lives, and thus aren't attuned to the myriad differences that would be more apparent to someone who lived among Asians or were themselves Asian. And then on the other hand, there's a matter that happens in all movies... trends in appearance. Especially among actresses. I'm not talking about Japanese movies alone, here... I mean, how many of us would be able to tell apart a batch of Hollywood's latest teeny-girl blondes in a lineup? I know I sure as hell wouldn't... I think they have a secret facility where they clone them and educate them in being airheaded and quirky. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

kyuuketsukirui 2003-08-10 08:12 am UTC (link)

Sure I might not be able to put names to a line up of actors or actresses I was completely unfamiliar with, but I have never had trouble telling characters apart in any film, regardless of what nationality they were. Similarly, I've never had trouble telling people apart just because they were of a different race than my own. Maybe it's not deliberate malice on the part of the poster, but it's certainly an excuse for laziness if nothing else. Grace (Reply to this)(Parent)

	singe 2003-08-10 07:52 am UTC (link)
	I've stolen your icon, Kate! MUAAHAAHAA!! (Reply to this)

	kyuuketsukirui 2003-08-10 08:20 am UTC (link)
	Just randomly noting that this is a very timely wank for me, seeing as The Ring just arrived in the mail from Netflix today. :D Grace (Reply to this)

dawnswalker 2003-08-10 08:43 am UTC (link)

I've never seen the Japanese version of "Ring", but the American version is one of the only horror movies that actually terrified me to the point of jitters for the next couple of days. Sure, it had "BOO AHAHAHAHA!" moments, but it relied more on actual scariness than most horror films do, and that's what got me. And just for the record, I just stop caring altogether whenever that "AMERICANS R SOOO STUPID ADN THEY RIUNED MAH NIHON CULTURE!" arguement comes up. Just like it did in that thread. I say, put the whole lot in a room with both Samara and Sadako, and let them sort it out. ;) (Reply to this)(Thread)

	mariagoner 2003-08-10 10:14 am UTC (link)
	I suppose if Sadako and Samara could start popping out of computer screens, sure. I wonder... are they windows compatible? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	dawnswalker 2003-08-10 10:25 am UTC (link)
	I'm not 100% sure on this, but I read somewhere that in the novel version, Sadako could come out of basically any reflective surface... so yes, I suppose we could swing a Windows-compatible visit. :D (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	mariagoner 2003-08-10 10:28 am UTC (link)
	I used to be afraid of my television before (and since I sleep right in front of one, that was a bit pathetic for a while.) Now I'm going to afraid of my computer. ::retreats, shivers:: (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	littlekitsch 2003-08-10 04:49 pm UTC (link)
	I was just about to say exactly the same thing... *is sitting on bed staring at laptop and tv* Yes, I am a sad, sad, scared little girl. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	unnamed 2003-08-10 07:21 pm UTC (link)
	At least it beats being afraid of car mirrors and windshields. Or better yet, hiding in the closet. No reflective surfaces in the closet! (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	unnamed 2003-08-10 07:47 pm UTC (link)
	But then again, none of us quite beat this. Watch out, icon makers! Sadako is coming for you! (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	katemonkey 2003-08-10 08:08 pm UTC (link)
	Ahahahaha! Oh, that Sadako. She's a tricky little monkey. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	unnamed 2003-08-10 08:32 pm UTC (link)
	On a side note, I love your icon. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	mariagoner 2003-08-10 10:58 pm UTC (link)
	Dangit! I am filled with envy and ennui! Do you know any communities that could make or have pre-existing Ring/Ringu icons for me? I'd make one myself but my ancient computer has NO image manipulation programs. Pwetty pwease? ::twinkle twinkle:: (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

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	mariagoner 2003-08-11 03:31 am UTC (link)
	Oh, thank you for showing me your icons. They're very... well, cute isn't the word... shall I say effective? May I borrow your .gif of Sadako? I'd use one of your still images, but they show up as .art files on my comp, and livejournal won't let me use those. ::sigh:: (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

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	mynxkittie 2003-08-11 01:39 am UTC (link)
	Best. Icon. Ever. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	sorchar 2003-08-10 12:18 pm UTC (link)
	I liked the American version better, because it actually scared me, which is hard for a movie to do. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	phosfate 2003-08-11 05:44 pm UTC (link)
	We solved the problem by watching both in a back-to-back Ringfest. Mom, who at 81 really shouldn't be watching this stuff, then asked me, "Are there any more of those?" "Lots, in Japanese, but we can't get 'em." "Aww." I had long hair at the time, and tortured her for days by pulling it over my face and hunching over. (Reply to this)(Parent)

mariagoner 2003-08-10 10:12 am UTC (link)

Honestly? I really did like Ring better than Ringu. The curse video, for one, played out a lot better in the remake. But Ringu was the original foundation for Ring, so I'm just so damn puzzled over why people who love Ring are willing to blatantly insult Ringu. Not even dislike Ringu-- blatantly go to bat against it. How can you love a reflection and not the object that cast it? (Reply to this)(Thread)

	unoriginality 2003-08-10 11:51 am UTC (link)
	...may I use that argument the next time someone complains about Celena and yet adores Dilandau? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	rikoshi 2003-08-10 12:20 pm UTC (link)
	But Dilly-sama is SUGOI and Celena is just a stupid twit with a vagina OMG DilandauxVan4EVA!!!!!11111 *shoots self* (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: unoriginality 2003-08-11 02:00 am UTC (link)
	....::picks up gun, shoots self as well:: My thoughts exactly. X_X Although now you have me wondering if it's weird that I can see Celena x Van in certain circumstances but I can't see Dilandau x Van for the life of me. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	chaos_priestess 2003-08-11 02:25 am UTC (link)
	Celena and Van together... ... ... ooh. *now is dead from potential fanfic ideas* (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: unoriginality 2003-08-11 03:07 am UTC (link)
	The possibilities are staggering, aren't they? XD (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: chaos_priestess 2003-08-11 03:10 am UTC (link)
	*weakly* Uh huh. And oh so lovely... what beautiful ideas I shouldn't write because I'm still working on another fic. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: unoriginality 2003-08-11 08:31 am UTC (link)
	::eeeeeeeeeevil grin:: If you ever give into one of those ideas, drop me a line- I have a Celena shrine that I'm looking to archive some fics on.... (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: chaos_priestess 2003-08-11 08:34 am UTC (link)
	Damn it! And I still have a Lina/Sylphiel story I want to write! Why must I have so many ideas? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: unoriginality 2003-08-11 08:38 am UTC (link)
	Because muses are evil. ::peers at hers:: Mine even took that as a name. -_-;;; (Reply to this)(Parent)

	zannechaos 2003-08-11 09:31 am UTC (link)
	Aw, c'mon! You know you want to! Give in to the muse! Yield to temptation! Can't you just see them, going at it in a fight, one ending up on top of the other.... "I'll have what she's having!" ::skips away, cackling evilly:: (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	chaos_priestess 2003-08-11 09:48 am UTC (link)
	... remind me sometime to tell you the little story behind my muses and how I'm going to convert my OL persona and my muses to a story. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	(Anonymous) 2003-11-16 05:29 pm UTC (link)
	... right! I hope to see more Van x Celena fanfics ^__- Bye, Maria-chan (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: unoriginality 2003-11-16 09:02 pm UTC (link)
	I'm attempting to work on one for NaNo, so maybe I'll have something to show for at least a teaser if nothing else. ^_~ If you'll send me an email addy, I'll be sure to send you a link to it when I get done. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	mariagoner 2003-08-10 10:55 pm UTC (link)
	It's very nice of you to say that! Feel free to use it whenever. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: unoriginality 2003-08-11 02:04 am UTC (link)
	::chee!:: ^_^ Thanks- that's one of the best arguments I've heard for that sort of concept. XD ::files that quote away for future reference:: (Reply to this)(Parent)

	sorchar 2003-08-10 12:19 pm UTC (link)
	I liked the American one better too. But yeah, without Ringu there'd be no Ring. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	jerry_ds_girl 2003-08-10 05:15 pm UTC (link)
	Holy shit, that FAQ site! Talk about analyzing every possible miniscule bit of info. . . (Reply to this)(Thread)

	rikoshi 2003-08-10 10:29 pm UTC (link)
	Because overzealous fans on the Internet would never be obsessively anal! (Reply to this)(Parent)