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M ([info]girl_friday) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2012-12-30 09:00:00


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Current mood:Impish
Entry tags:ao3, comics, fanfic, reviews

Delicious AO3 Comment wank
(Thank you to a mousey at [info]wank_report! I have c/p your commentary verbatim, only adding links.)

Ten days ago, author FelicityGS posted "There's Nothing There" a Loki/Steve Rogers fic, and lo, there was squee...for three comments. [ETA: Added correct link, because I'm apparently a dumbass before coffee.]

Until, that is, the following mild concrit is posted by "J":

"Almost all of the parenthesis and several commas were unnecessary. If a sentence goes on for more than two lines, it should probably be broken up into two or more sentences. You might want to get a beta who is really good with grammar/punctuation. Otherwise, great story. Very cute and well thought out. (:"

Felicity GS does Not Take It Well, and in a series of comments compares her work to that great author "Nabakov", and claims her "style" trumps such things as "proper grammar" and "readability", closing with this flourish:

But do me a fucking favour:

don't fucking tell me I need a fucking goddamn beta who knows grammar really fucking well and that I could get rid of all those fucking parens and had too many fucking commas because I did not use any of those fucking lightly and you are a fucking douche.

Because if the above didn't give it away?

I know fucking grammar. I know style. I am comfortable in my style, I have given thought to my style, and I know the difference between grammar and style. I write fanfiction as a labour of love and to share stories, to hone my craft and to practice what I have been doing since I could hold a pen.

Fuck.

You.

<3


Her commenters are rather boggled, except for an anon who immediately starts rending garments in response to someone leaving a critique on - GASP! - a Yuletide fic:

But you're probably also someone who tells their granny the Christmas socks scratch and the cookies are dusty instead of doing the right thing. What a miserable bunch of hypocrites and nasty bitches claimed Yuletide this year!

Unfortunately, the fic has nothing whatsoever to do with Yuletide, and fellow anons take him/her/zie/them to task for the mistake:

Gift exchange? Yuletide? Also, the author was the one reacting with hostility to a helpful comment-- vile, abusive hostility. WITH AN EPIC NOVEL OF OVERLY DEFENSIVE BABBLE.

I don't even-- what is with your comment? Are you trying to paint me as some sort of hands-rubbing, world-domination-wanting Grinch? Where are you going with this absurd reading into things that aren't there at all?


FelicityGS deflects blame by claiming she was "stressed" and wrote the fic to ease said mental strain. She also complains about the meanness of the author who dared leave her concrit, up to and including misrepresenting the content of the feedback:

"No. It was not helpful nor constructive. It said "this sucks, this sucks, do better, oh and the idea was nice."

That is not useful."


Still active and ongoing, as FelicityGS's comments have hit both Yuletide Coal and Fail Fandom Anon, where, unsurprisingly, is hilarity at FelicityGS's overreaction.

BUT WAIT! THERE'S MORE!

FelicityGS has taken the wank to her own tumblr (all stylistic choices original):

I.

Love.

Parentheses.

And you can pry them away from me and my style over my cold, dead body.


(fuck you)

(no seriously)

(but not you guys that actually explain why you don’t like parens, you guys are cool)

Commas? Okay, yeah, there are some comma splices in the story. No big. Whatever. I literally typed it up and posted it, and there are some spots I wouldn’t mind smoothing a bit. And I am willing to bet most the commas that you think are ‘unnecessary’ are, in fact, doing things. Like separating lists, or clauses, or, you know, THINGS THAT COMMAS DO.

I actually feel delightfully, refreshingly vindicated and good for breaking down that comment and addressing it in that manner, because I can look at it and see that, no, no, I’m not fucking crazy.


You may not be crazy, sweetie, but you are certainly a wanker.



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[info]seiberwing
2012-12-30 06:19 pm UTC (link)
...and I just put this wank into the queue.

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[info]sorchar
2012-12-30 08:40 pm UTC (link)
That's okay. What with the influx from the Pit of Voles, I'm sure AO3 will give you another chance. There was the beginning g of a comment wank on a Steve/Tony fic I read recently, in fact.

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(no subject) - [info]anarchicq, 2012-12-30 11:37 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sorchar, 2012-12-31 02:23 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]eljuno, 2012-12-31 02:26 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sorchar, 2012-12-31 02:32 am UTC

[info]come_love_sleep
2012-12-30 06:34 pm UTC (link)
Wo-ow. Somebody needs to maybe have a bottle and a nap.

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[info]beejium
2012-12-30 06:37 pm UTC (link)
My kingdom for a cap!

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[info]seiberwing
2012-12-30 06:40 pm UTC (link)
Cap of which? I've been saving a few.

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(no subject) - [info]beejium, 2012-12-30 06:41 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]seiberwing, 2012-12-30 06:53 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]beejium, 2012-12-30 07:02 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]seiberwing, 2012-12-30 08:46 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]seiberwing, 2012-12-30 08:38 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sorchar, 2012-12-30 08:42 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]seiberwing, 2012-12-30 08:46 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sorchar, 2012-12-31 02:32 am UTC

[info]hopsandbarley
2012-12-30 07:13 pm UTC (link)
Geez, I like using parentheses too (as well as ellipses), but I'm not that rabidly obsessed with them. You'd think she was literally in love with them or something.

...and now I'm picturing someone writing a FelicityGS/Parenthesis fic. Quick, someone come up with an obnoxious smushed name for them!

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[info]feenix
2012-12-30 08:01 pm UTC (link)
Felicthesis?

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[info]eleutheria
2012-12-31 12:17 am UTC (link)
Felenthesis?

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[info]singe
2012-12-31 01:23 am UTC (link)
Parencity!

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(no subject) - [info]puipui, 2012-12-31 06:46 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]singe, 2013-01-01 05:50 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]taktuk, 2013-01-01 08:14 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]adverb, 2013-01-01 01:04 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]taktuk, 2013-01-01 05:44 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]singe, 2013-01-02 04:12 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]taktuk, 2013-01-02 09:36 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]singe, 2013-01-02 01:05 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]taktuk, 2013-01-02 05:02 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]singe, 2013-01-03 03:19 am UTC

[info]beejium
2012-12-30 07:16 pm UTC (link)
"You compared yourself to Nabokov. That's pretty self-congratulatory."

"I reached for the first book I had at hand. I apologize it wasn't low brow enough for you."


*swoon*

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[info]kookaburra
2012-12-30 08:29 pm UTC (link)
If your excuse is, "Well, it was what I had handy," I think that kind of shoots holes through your "MY PARENTHESIS ARE A CONSCIOUS STYLISTIC CHOICE IN THE STYLE OF [famous book/author]!" defense.

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(no subject) - [info]subluxate, 2012-12-30 08:44 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ekaterinv, 2012-12-30 08:45 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]eljuno, 2012-12-30 09:06 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ekaterinv, 2012-12-30 09:22 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]the__ivorytower, 2012-12-30 09:41 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]seca, 2012-12-30 09:48 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]puipui, 2012-12-31 07:05 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]visp, 2013-01-05 07:09 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]beejium, 2012-12-30 09:49 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]beccastareyes, 2012-12-30 10:40 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]anarchicq, 2012-12-30 11:40 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]seca, 2013-01-01 10:52 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]iczer6, 2013-01-03 11:53 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]puipui, 2012-12-31 07:04 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sepiamagpie, 2012-12-31 04:30 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]eljuno, 2012-12-31 07:21 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]the_sun_is_up, 2012-12-31 11:21 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sequinedlizard, 2013-01-01 01:02 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]hopsandbarley, 2013-01-01 01:10 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]hopsandbarley, 2013-01-01 01:14 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]totchipanda, 2013-01-02 05:09 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]schrodingerscat, 2013-01-01 06:48 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]taktuk, 2013-01-01 08:42 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]adverb, 2013-01-01 01:09 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]risha, 2013-01-02 12:04 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]adverb, 2013-01-02 08:36 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]risha, 2013-01-02 04:26 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]adverb, 2013-01-03 12:22 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]risha, 2013-01-03 02:00 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]adverb, 2013-01-03 02:13 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]risha, 2013-01-03 02:22 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ekaterinv, 2013-01-02 02:03 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]adverb, 2013-01-02 08:38 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]lanas_archive, 2013-01-01 07:49 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]taterbird, 2013-01-02 03:46 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]cmdr_zoom, 2013-01-02 04:02 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]duraniedrama, 2013-01-04 01:11 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sorchar, 2012-12-31 04:08 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]duraniedrama, 2013-01-04 01:12 am UTC

[info]the_sun_is_up
2012-12-30 08:57 pm UTC (link)
Ooh well aren't we pretentious. "Yes, I read Nabokov." *hipster glasses* "You've probably never heard of him."

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(no subject) - [info]singe, 2012-12-31 01:31 am UTC

[info]subluxate
2012-12-31 08:37 am UTC (link)
I'd have Holmes, Philippa Gregory, and Italian textbooks.

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[info]rosehiptea
2012-12-30 07:42 pm UTC (link)
Allow me to be the first to say that I would love to get a comment like that on my fic.

(I do love parentheses, but I keep them in comments and not fic -- and believe it or not the first parenthesis up there was automatic...)

Seriously, it's stuff like this that makes people never comment critically and also never comment at all. Which makes me sad.

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[info]feenix
2012-12-30 08:00 pm UTC (link)
Aww, Yuletide-adjacent wank! (Although, I fucking think mousey's fucking wank report could have fucking done with more fucking parentheses (and goddamn profanity).)

Speaking of Yuletide - where IS the Yuletide!wank? Why would someone assume a goddamned Avengers fic is Yuletide? (Although Loki/Steve isn't that common, if I remember correctly - it's not like Steve/Tony, for example.) When did Felicity become a parentheses fetishist? WHAT DOES THIS ALL MEAN?!

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[info]sorchar
2012-12-30 08:32 pm UTC (link)
IIRC, Avengers did have a fic or two in the Yuletide list. It's my primary fandom but I have no idea how it qualifies for Yuletide. There's a few like that every year, though, where I'm left going, "Bzuh?" I get the same feeling whenever the local alternative station plays U2.

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(no subject) - [info]marmaladecat, 2012-12-30 08:58 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]yoritomo_reiko, 2012-12-30 11:44 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]amaresu, 2012-12-31 01:15 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sorchar, 2012-12-31 02:27 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]kittenmommy, 2013-01-05 04:24 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sorchar, 2013-01-05 06:21 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]kittenmommy, 2013-01-05 08:05 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sorchar, 2013-01-05 11:20 pm UTC

[info]ekaterinv
2012-12-30 08:42 pm UTC (link)
I write fanfiction... to hone my craft and to practice</>

But don't you dare try to help me get better! Or I will prove what a glorious writer I am by putting "fuck" into my sentences more times than the most obnoxious teenage boy in World of Warcraft!

It said "this sucks, this sucks, do better, oh and the idea was nice."

All right, that's it. Claiming people wrote something they did not write on the internet, complete with quotes, is officially an epidemic. This is at least the sixth time I've seen it in as many months.

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[info]ekaterinv
2012-12-30 08:46 pm UTC (link)
Fucking failing at fucking html was a fucking stylistic fucking choice. FUCK ALL OF YOU FUCKITY FUCKS.

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(no subject) - [info]the_sun_is_up, 2012-12-31 11:22 am UTC

[info]seiberwing
2012-12-30 09:55 pm UTC (link)
And it does not exactly work when we can see right there what was written.

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(no subject) - [info]ekaterinv, 2012-12-31 12:14 am UTC

[info]starfish
2012-12-30 08:44 pm UTC (link)
Anon is not wrong about the parentheses. Or the commas. I couldn't sort through then to see if s/he was wrong about the story itself.

But the wank ... the wank is beautiful.

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(no subject) - [info]ekaterinv, 2012-12-30 09:50 pm UTC

[info]the_sun_is_up
2012-12-30 08:54 pm UTC (link)
"Parens"? What the fuck is that, Newspeak? Or is "parens" some widely used and accepted abbreviation for parentheses that I've somehow never heard of?

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(no subject) - [info]phosfate, 2012-12-30 09:05 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]phosfate, 2012-12-31 03:57 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sgaana, 2012-12-31 11:27 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]risha, 2013-01-01 12:18 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]caffeine_fairy, 2013-01-02 09:41 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]skarrow, 2012-12-30 10:47 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]rosehiptea, 2012-12-31 01:03 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]seiberwing, 2012-12-31 12:50 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]singe, 2012-12-31 01:38 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]the_sun_is_up, 2012-12-31 11:18 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]jkefka, 2012-12-31 05:56 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]tofuknight, 2013-01-02 03:46 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]cmdr_zoom, 2013-01-02 07:01 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]iczer6, 2013-01-07 12:07 am UTC

[info]risha
2012-12-30 08:56 pm UTC (link)
This comment string made me laugh for a solid two minutes.

YOUR FIC WILL NOT COMPILE.

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(no subject) - [info]cmdr_zoom, 2012-12-30 11:16 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]amaresu, 2012-12-31 02:31 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]jkefka, 2012-12-31 05:57 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]amaresu, 2013-01-01 01:16 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]eleutheria, 2013-01-01 12:29 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]amaresu, 2013-01-01 01:16 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]seraangelus, 2012-12-31 05:24 pm UTC

[info]j_crew_guy
2012-12-30 08:58 pm UTC (link)
I keep reading "parens" as "parents", which gives this wank an entirely different meaning.

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(no subject) - [info]feenix, 2012-12-30 10:04 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]agent_hyatt, 2012-12-31 09:28 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]spawn_of_kong, 2012-12-30 10:31 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]cmdr_zoom, 2013-01-02 03:59 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]singe, 2013-01-04 05:59 am UTC

[info]cmdr_zoom
2012-12-30 11:24 pm UTC (link)
I suspect/fear that the author is a lot like me, in that their style of organization and/or writing is dendritic - constantly going off on tangents and branches and asides, and then coming back to the trunk or branch point, to start off in a new direction or a whole new fractal of thought.

Unfortunately, this tends to bug the hell out of people who've forgotten what you were saying two minutes/long comma-spliced paragraphs ago, that you've just jumped back to. Or don't care. Part of the editing process is pruning all of these branches until you have a single coherent thought (despite the author's desire to show ALL the details and bits of description and so on that hang off of it).

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(no subject) - [info]deadrose, 2012-12-31 12:32 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]beccastareyes, 2012-12-31 01:13 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]phosfate, 2012-12-31 01:45 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]singe, 2012-12-31 01:51 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]phosfate, 2012-12-31 05:22 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]singe, 2013-01-01 01:42 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]adverb, 2013-01-01 01:19 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]cinnamonical, 2013-01-01 02:53 pm UTC

[info]llorelei
2012-12-31 05:47 am UTC (link)
You have completely 100% missed the point of the parens in that story

interrogating the text from the wrong perspective tbqh.

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(no subject) - [info]kittenmommy, 2013-01-05 04:27 am UTC

 
   
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