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	ekaterinv 2013-01-04 02:28 am UTC (link)
	You... how... IT IS FANFIC. HOW WOULD THERE NOT BE SPOILERS. Sounds like someone is used to fanfic all being ooc AU with the same names as the supposed source. (Reply to this)(Thread)

eleutheria
2013-01-04 02:40 am UTC (link)

Why would movie fanfic necessarily spoil for the book, if the movie doesn't cover the whole book?

I don't quite get the surprise and outrage, tbh. I can't say as I've read much fic for it, but I've seen a lot of people being careful around "the Unsullied" in discussions of ASOIAF/GoT because they know a lot of people who watch the show are deliberately avoiding the books because they like the show as a show and don't want to be spoiled. Yes, there's plenty of general "it's grimdark, lots of people die", but people are spoiler-cutting and being vague around, you know, that thing that's going to happen next season. ASOIAF hasn't been around for 75 years but it's been out for several years, and the fandom isn't small.

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	jetamors 2013-01-04 04:02 am UTC (link)
	I think it's the 75 years that makes the biggest difference. If they do an adaptation of ASOIAF 60 years from now, I doubt the fandom will be all that vigilant about spoilers. Plus The Hobbit has already had a movie, so there's isn't even a guarantee which "movieverse" is being referred to. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	eleutheria 2013-01-04 09:27 pm UTC (link)
	So what exactly is the line, in amount of time, before it's okay for people to be assholes about spoilers in a fic summary? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

jetamors
2013-01-04 10:13 pm UTC (link)

In fic summaries, specifically? I would say something on the order of weeks or months. I would place a longer period on, say, discussions in otherwise unrelated conversations, or, say, fic summaries posted in areas where a reasonable person might not expect to see a fic summary for the fandom. But as a reader, I operate on the assumption that any fic will assume I've been exposed to the whole canon, and as a writer I operate on the assumption that after a few months, anyone who really wants to experience the canon has either experienced it already or is staying away from fic.

If we're speaking more generally, I would say the reasonable absolute outer limit for any kind of spoiler warning would be "one human generation".

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	lady_ganesh 2013-01-04 04:57 pm UTC (link)
	In addition to what jetamors said, it was futurefic. I think the labeling was kind of iffy (deep in the comments it's revealed that it was something to the effect of 'and in this one, X doesn't die!') but come on. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

eleutheria
2013-01-04 09:35 pm UTC (link)

Didn't know that. Yes, she's stupid for reading a futurefic and expecting no spoilers (and a number of other things she's said, like being surprised that the book has a fandom somewhere other than AO3, are also stupid). But that summary is more than iffy, I think it's a dick move-- and iirc, didn't she say there were several others with summaries like "x comforts y after z dies"?

IDK, there was plenty of silly on the OP's part, but it bugged me that people are acting like avoiding the book because you don't want to be spoiled for a sequelized presentation in another format is some kind of weird thing they've never heard of and not something people often do in other fandoms. I also don't buy that the death of whomever is so entrenched into the popular culture that it's impossible to avoid spoilers-- I quizzed a few people, all geeky people who've read and liked the Hobbit at least once, if they remembered who died in it, and none but the one who's really deep in Tolkien fandom said they did. If OP was complaining about spoilers that the dragon died, that'd be one thing, but this is in no way the same thing as "Darth Vader is Luke's father".

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lady_ganesh
2013-01-04 11:55 pm UTC (link)

I guess to me, it's more like a summary that says "Han reflects on Lando's betrayal." Not everyone would know that, but I wouldn't consider it a huge spoiler, even though it's super-important to the plot of the second movie. It's been too long and it's too commonly known.

IDK. The fact that half the people you quizzed don't remember who died in it would indicate to me it's not that big a plot point, not that it's a huge spoiler or not (I think Jackson's treatment of the dwarves makes it a bigger plot point, but still).

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cleolinda
2013-01-05 03:22 pm UTC (link)

The way Jackson's set this up, it's like people getting really into Fellowship of the Ring and then finding out that Aragorn, Legolas, and maybe another Legolas all die two movies later. (As opposed to the cartoon, where it's more like, you can tell which of the little old men is Thorin because he's the cranky one.) So I can see why new fans will be shocked (honestly, it might be better for them to find out now). I've tried not to spoil people myself, but... seriously, you're going to get spoiled between now and 2014, you might as well come to terms with it early on.

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	lady_ganesh 2013-01-05 05:22 pm UTC (link)
	Yeah, I wouldn't trumpet it from the hills myself, it's just...dude, that is a long time. I rolled my eyes at the people freaking out that Legolas might die in movie three back in the day, and that was one book. (Reply to this)(Parent)

ekaterinv
2013-01-06 10:58 pm UTC (link)

How can anyone be reading fanfic of something that has ended and not know how it ends? Why would anyone even DO that? And if they did, why would they feel entitled to have authors -- or anyone -- bend over backwards to cater to them?

I have zero patience for anyone who whines about movie spoilers about a movie based on a book, period.(And vice versa, if that's a possibility.) My patience goes into the extreme negatives when they're whining about a book that's been out for 75 years that they simply don't wanna read.

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	julianrain 2013-01-04 11:17 am UTC (link)
	Not any old fanfic, She was reading a futurefic. And expected no spoilers. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	uldihaa 2013-01-05 03:59 am UTC (link)
	This. It's not like it was a discussion on a journal, blog, Tumblr, Twitter, Facebook etc. It was fic, based specifically on the first movie of a trilogy whose source material is 75 years old. I'd consider fic to be spoilerific by it's very nature. (Reply to this)(Parent)

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