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frenzy ([info]frenzy) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2013-01-10 12:21:00
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Entry tags:fandom: homestuck, reviews, webcomics

Comedy is hard. Wank is easy.
With a fanbase like Homestuck's, the bar is set pretty high for "baffling" things to say about the comic, but one Timothy Sexton catches creator Andrew Hussie's eye with his review/article/wordpile on Yahoo Movies that clears that bar easily:

"If you remain unaware of Homestuck as an internet phenomenon, then you either don't kids or aren't aware of this here thing called the internets. As George W. Bush liked to refer (and probably still refer) to it. Homestuck is one day going to become a movie of some sort. Comedy is hard. Death is easy. That makes Homestuck a juggler."

You can read the full thing here. You can't read it in its original form on Yahoo anymore, though, because it was removed. According to Timothy Sexton, Homestuck fans got it taken down because it was too intelligent for them and they were jealous, or something. We know this because he says so in his follow-up article, entitled "Homestuck Fans: Not Quite as Hip and Intellectually Gifted as They Think."

"Don't feed the troll? What does that mean?" -dozens of Homestuck fans.

Hussie, for his part, finds the entire thing hilarious.


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[info]rosehiptea
2013-01-10 08:05 pm UTC (link)
I don't follow Homestuck, but wow, that guy really just doesn't want to admit he wrote a stupid and incomprehensible article.

Also I question his assertion that Casablanca is a thousand times more complex than Homestuck. I followed Casablanca just fine but part of why I don't read Homestuck is that I'm afraid it would confuse me to death. I'm not saying it's better than Casablanca, but I get the impression that one thing it doesn't lack is complexity. Then again maybe that was just one of those intellectual jokes I'm too stupid to get.

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[info]visp
2013-01-10 08:46 pm UTC (link)
Well, you could argue that Casablanca had complexity in its characters, I suppose, but yeah, the plot's pretty straightforward. And unless that article was intended as a spoof of one of the characters' way of speaking or something of that nature, then yes, that article was just an incomprehensible pile of bad writing.

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[info]tez
2013-01-10 09:08 pm UTC (link)
part of why I don't read Homestuck is that I'm afraid it would confuse me to death

NGL, it took me two run-throughs to FINALLY get the plot -- and even now Hussie routinely inflicts giant what-the-fucks on me. Saying Homestuck isn't complicated is like saying water isn't wet.

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[info]seiberwing
2013-01-10 10:38 pm UTC (link)
I've had people try to explain Homestuck to me. My eyes cross around the third sentence.

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[info]tez
2013-01-10 10:46 pm UTC (link)
That's about right. I just had to sit down and read it and at that point I Got It. Any explanations were just good old-fashioned gobbledygook.

The best explanation I've ever seen is "Four friends play a game. Shenanigans ensue."

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[info]seiberwing
2013-01-10 10:47 pm UTC (link)
Also Casablanca is what, two hours long? You watch it, bam, you're done. Ingesting Homestuck would take a damn sight longer.

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[info]tez
2013-01-10 10:54 pm UTC (link)
Ain't that the damn truth.

Casablanca is a neatly packaged treat, tied up with string. Homestuck is an endless fruit roll-up that keeps rolling along out of control.

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[info]iczer6
2013-01-11 02:04 am UTC (link)
It's kinda like Yu-Gi-Oh in that the fate of the world rests on an exceptionally odd adventure game.

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[info]tez
2013-01-11 04:42 am UTC (link)
This is a thing that is true. And then there's mythology and wonky powers and things with horns and yeah.

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[info]sneer
2013-01-11 05:38 am UTC (link)
And the worst part about those giant what-the-fucks is that like 90% of the time, they were foreshadowed by some random little throwaway gag (or, well, what you thought was a random little throwaway gag) 200000 pages ago.

I saw a post on tumblr a while back that said Sweet Bro and Hella Jeff were to Homestuck as the shadow play girls were to Utena. It's funny because it's TRUE.

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[info]tez
2013-01-11 06:59 am UTC (link)
Sweet Bro and Hella Jeff were to Homestuck as the shadow play girls were to Utena

AHAHAHAHAHA SO TRUE OMG.

The throwbacks drive me fucking insane. I like when I can catch them, but all too often they trip me up and I am presented with a what the fuck.

Or someone bleating like a goat for ironic purposes.

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[info]sneer
2013-01-11 09:39 pm UTC (link)
I just can't read a SBaHJ anymore without my brain filling in all the dialogue with

ahahahahha ddid you kno did u knwo????????????

bro have yuo heared the

NEWS

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[info]tez
2013-01-11 11:55 pm UTC (link)
Dave Strider: infecting our brains with ironic stupidity since 2009.

The fact that you actually did that in comic sans amuses hell out of me.

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[info]seiberwing
2013-01-10 10:42 pm UTC (link)
Casablanca's got a handful of characters, a simple realistic setting, and an easy to follow plot. Its complexity lies in its themes and depth of character.

Homestuck, as I understand it, has a gazillion characters and an extremely long plot within a complex fantasy/sci-fi universe.

I have no idea how that comparison even happened.

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[info]rosehiptea
2013-01-11 02:36 am UTC (link)
I'm going to go out on a limb and say it's because this guy's a douche reaching for ways to insult Homestuck fans.

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[info]seiberwing
2013-01-11 03:09 am UTC (link)
I don't think this man understands what words mean. Any words.

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[info]the_sun_is_up
2013-01-11 06:03 am UTC (link)
He writes like one of those internet adbots.

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[info]ekaterinv
2013-01-10 10:59 pm UTC (link)
Casasblanca is a very simple (but not simplistic) movie, and that's part of why it's so good. Being more complicated is not a positive thing when it comes to a story.

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[info]frenzy
2013-01-10 11:20 pm UTC (link)
The problem with Homestuck (really its only serious flaw, IMO) is the story concentration. There's no filler; nearly every word is important, even in the silliest dialogues, and every second of every flash is crucial. Expecting to understand the plot of Homestuck on one readthrough is like expecting to learn to speak Chinese fluently by listening to a Chinese dictionary read aloud. I don't think a complicated plot on its own is inherently bad, though, especially in a long-running canon.

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[info]soc_puppet
2013-01-12 12:39 am UTC (link)
On top of that, Hussie keeps including things from fandom (Pantskat, trollsonas/fantrolls, and now [SPOILER for EoA6A5A1] what the actual fuck), so it's like we have to read all of canon and the supplemental material if we want to catch everything. I have thoroughly given up on the idea and resigned myself to missing half of what's going on at any given time.

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[info]frenzy
2013-01-12 01:02 am UTC (link)
And don't forget that some of the jokes make more sense if you've seen ConAir, Armageddon, Weekend at Bernie's, etc.

People like to whine about how Hussie's such a trooooooollllllll, what with all his "cliffhangers" and "red herrings" and "other storytelling devices," but I think that if anything makes him a troll, it's forcing people who want the most thorough understanding of Homestuck possible to watch a bunch of incredibly mediocre movies.

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[info]eleutheria
2013-01-12 11:48 pm UTC (link)
That makes it even less likely I'll read it, I've never even heard of Armageddon or Weekend at Bernie's, let alone seen them.

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[info]rosehiptea
2013-01-11 02:35 am UTC (link)
Exactly - I didn't mean to say anything bad about Casablanca in any way by saying that. Just... saying it isn't complex seems like the wrong insult for Homestuck, if you're trying to insult it.

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[info]beccastareyes
2013-01-11 03:08 am UTC (link)
I'd also argue that a webcomic can support a larger number of plot twists and characters than a movie simply because it has a lot more time to work in. Most of the long-running webcomics I've read would take far more than a single movie to cover, and would be better compared to movie series or TV shows.

(Granted, you also need to allow that extra time means that only the devoted fans will remember hints you dropped months or years ago... that may not be a problem in Homestuck fandom.)

Basically: different media tell stories differently.

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[info]anthologia
2013-01-12 07:02 pm UTC (link)
I want to like Casablanca more than I do, but once I got to "you'll have to think for me" and realized that Ilsa's motivations are focused on men, I got disenchanted.

/cool story sis

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