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miraba ([info]miraba) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2013-02-24 10:24:00


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Entry tags:ao3, author entitlement, bitter so bitter, deep fanfic thoughts, dogpile, everyone entitlement, fandom: the avengers, fanfic, far too complicated, kudos, misplaced anger, reader entitlement

Writing fanfic is totally like running a restaurant.
Taken from a kind anon, with some small changes made.

Ice, an author of some regard in the Avengers fandom, is no stranger to wank. A few months ago, she attached a long author's note to one of her fics that, simplified, requested readers not leave kudos (still needs caps):

"You know what? I am currently in too much fucking pain and under too much fucking stress to give a flying fuck about social conduct.

I had one simple wish — no kudos.

I keep on asking that on every fic and every fucking time on every fucking one of them, there's a person who just... what? Can’t help themselves? Well done. Thanks for reminding me, over and over again, that I must, indeed, not post my stuff and hope for a simple fucking courtesy to respect my fucking wishes."


Fail_Fandomanon and Tumblr got ahold of the story and promptly spammed it with kudos.
Since then, her fics have continued to be subject of kudosing and - in her mind- low comment counts when compared to the rest of the fandom. Thus, she decides to leave the ficdoms in a blaze of glory.

By writing a longform analogy comparing writing fanfic to running a restaurant. (Original link BALEETED, caps HERE.)

This immediately lands on Avengersanon, Fail_Fandomanon and Tumblr, and subsequently her comment pages fill up with snark. (All deleted: page 1, page 2, page 3, and page 4, with bonus fic.). There's even podfic! After trying to orphan the piece (since deleted), Ice deleted all of her Avengers fanfic, leaving her table AO3 account empty of Avengers content.

For a bonus treat, be sure to read this gem from the wank report, in which a disgruntled ex-ficwriting mousie pops up to sympathize with Ice and humblebrag about her important profic writing career, eventually declaiming all feedback-denying fanfic readers and non-pro fanfic authors as a "whiny ass bunch of freeloaders" and "doormats," respectively, who may or may not be in an abusive relationship.



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[info]ashinae
2013-02-24 07:13 pm UTC (link)
But--but--I love my kudos. Every "you've got kudos!" e-mail I get fills me with warm fuzzies.

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[info]sorchar
2013-02-24 07:59 pm UTC (link)
Right? I hold every kudo to my metaphorical chest and give it loves.

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[info]ashinae
2013-02-24 08:11 pm UTC (link)
I keep all of mine--I have a gmail tag to apply to all my kudos e-mails so I can hoard them.

Comments are amazing; especially thoughtful ones. They're like gold. But I've always kind of thought, since there have been a handful of kerfuffles over writers who don't just want "I liked it!" comments, that people who aren't gonna comment just aren't gonna do it, for whatever reason(s). I thought AO3's "kudos" system was a brilliant idea, for people who liked something but just didn't know what to say.

On the other hand, I was always happy just to receive a comment/e-mail that only said "I liked your story!"

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(no subject) - [info]sorchar, 2013-02-24 08:41 pm UTC
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[info]sistercoyote
2013-02-24 07:59 pm UTC (link)
This. So much this.

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[info]ashinae
2013-02-24 08:12 pm UTC (link)
So glad I'm not the only one.

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[info]cygnia
2013-02-24 09:14 pm UTC (link)
I've yet to even get any kudos...*sniffle*

razzenfrazzendamnobscurefandom

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You've got kudos!
[info]ashinae
2013-02-25 04:39 am UTC (link)
Ashinae left kudos on your journalfen comment!

... Did that help? :D I'm never too proud to put on my dorky hat.

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Re: You've got kudos! - [info]cygnia, 2013-02-25 04:27 pm UTC

[info]iczer6
2013-02-25 06:01 am UTC (link)
Can I ask 'which fandom'?

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(no subject) - [info]cygnia, 2013-02-25 04:27 pm UTC

[info]lady_ganesh
2013-02-24 11:33 pm UTC (link)
IKR?

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[info]ashinae
2013-02-25 04:34 am UTC (link)
I know what that acronym means, but I don't know any internet acronyms with which to respond. Now I feel out of touch with the cool kids.

Of course, I never was a cool kid.

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(no subject) - [info]lady_ganesh, 2013-02-25 04:35 am UTC
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[info]herdivineshadow
2013-02-24 11:33 pm UTC (link)
Yes! THIS feeling and also "Wait, people are still reading my fic from a show that's been dead for 5 years?"

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[info]janegraddell
2013-02-25 01:35 am UTC (link)
I know! Once in a while I'll get a kudo for one of the stories I wrote ten-fifteen years ago. That's pretty awesome. :) And seriously, a kudo *always* makes me grin like a fool, no matter what.

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(no subject) - [info]lady_ganesh, 2013-02-25 04:35 am UTC

[info]ashinae
2013-02-25 04:33 am UTC (link)
Ha--that too!

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[info]ahiru
2013-02-25 01:35 am UTC (link)
Ditto. Comments are awesome, especially long ones, but even a little 'I liked it!" in the form of a kudos (or a favorite on ff.net) makes me happy. Heck, with AO3 in some ways I kinda like the kudos better than comments just because I feel like I should probably reply to comments but I have anxiety issues and some days I'm just not up to doing that.

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[info]squeakytoy
2013-02-25 01:59 am UTC (link)
in some ways I kinda like the kudos better than comments just because I feel like I should probably reply to comments

Yes, the issue of replying to comments! (Although I still really like comments because, hey, CONVERSATION! Perhaps not always elevating or enlightening, but CONVERSATION. I realise this is not for everyone however.)

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[info]ashinae
2013-02-25 04:29 am UTC (link)
Yes! I've become terrible at replying to comments over the past couple years, so sometimes it's just nice to get those kudos that I don't end up having anxiety over replying to because it's been, like, two months since the poor soul commented on the fic.

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[info]ellensmithee
2013-02-25 03:11 pm UTC (link)
Same here. Kudos, both given and received, are all around less stressful for me.

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[info]soc_puppet
2013-02-28 03:49 am UTC (link)
I'm in a similar boat, though not exactly the same. I have serious issues "declaring" myself in a new-to-me fandom, so leaving actual comments on fics for fandoms I haven't done anything in can be a bit of a hurdle for me. Kudos allow me to show my appreciation without the stress and effort involved in trying to find a clever way to say "I liked it!" They allow me to feel like I'm easing myself in more gradually than jumping in head-first, and I really appreciate that.

I do try to leave comments when I have something more to say than "I liked it!", but I don't always have that for every fic.

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[info]cairea
2013-02-25 04:24 am UTC (link)
I got kudos from someone with the username Andraste once and the combo of kudos on a fic that gets few views as it is and the username made my fucking week.

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[info]eldritch
2013-02-25 04:36 am UTC (link)
SERIOUSLY.

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(no subject) - [info]ashinae, 2013-02-25 05:07 am UTC

[info]sepiamagpie
2013-02-25 06:14 pm UTC (link)
Each kudos fuels my dark heart. Soon: vengeance.

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(no subject) - [info]ashinae, 2013-02-28 06:49 am UTC

[info]singe
2013-02-25 08:27 pm UTC (link)
Yup, I do a little happy chair-dance every time I get one. Especially if it's for an ancient fic. And THEN I feel sorry for the poor guy for reading my early stuff!

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(no subject) - [info]ashinae, 2013-02-28 06:53 am UTC

[info]kijikun
2013-02-26 06:07 am UTC (link)
Kudos make me a very happy writer. I wish I got them one at a time still though. There was something more satisfying about it.

OT: Does anyone know a plugin to expand threads on journalfen when using chrome?

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[info]ldymusyc
2013-02-26 08:30 pm UTC (link)
Seriously. I love my kudos. I want to put sparkly little hats on each and every one of them. Every time I get that daily kudos email, whether they're from logged-in readers OR guests, I'm happy happy happy.

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[info]sabaceanbabe
2013-02-26 08:53 pm UTC (link)
I KNOW! I just don't understand why someone wouldn't want them. They're such friendly little creatures.

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(no subject) - [info]ashinae, 2013-02-28 07:08 am UTC

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