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Loopywafflehead ([info]loopywafflehead) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2013-03-10 23:33:00


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Entry tags:bronies are gross, cons, fandom failures, fandom: my little pony, internet lawyers, wtf is happening in vegas?

“We don’t know how to handle money; PLEASE SAVE US BY GIVING US MORE MONEY”


Short version: Some bronies try to run a My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic fan convention in Las Vegas. They do an extremely bad job of it. Guests aren’t paid; people are left out of pocket, kicked out of hotels and left stranded; and cheques have bounced, including one to voice actor Tara Strong. And they pissed off John de Lancie. Of course, it’s totally not their fault and they want fans to bail them out by giving them money for some as yet unspecified amount. Plus they totally witnessed an agent of one of the actors taking money from the con cashbox! More than once! Really! Oh, and they made up this fake money, told vendors they’d be paid with it during the convention and would be able to exchange it for real money at the end. And so much more.

Many thanks to Amatyultare on lj for providing links and updates on wank_report. I’ve made some minor adjustments but otherwise pretty much used all your wording in this post. Detailed version under the cut.

Las Pegasus Unicon was a first-year fan convention that was scheduled for the weekend of February 22-24 in Las Vegas. Its ‘About Us’ section [Note: site now deleted] claimed that “unlike all the other conventions for Bronies and fans of MLP:FIM we will be doing this in true Vegas fashion..."OVER THE TOP".” They certainly seemed to support that claim, booking an amazing 23 ‘industry’ guests associated with the show along with various fandom guests (brony musicians, podcasters, bloggers, fansite owners, etc.)

I’m unclear as to what attendance they were expected. I’ve heard rumors that at one time they were hoping for up to 8,000 attendees, which would be a little wild considering that the largest brony convention up to this point has been BroNYCon, which had about 4,000 attendees at its 2012 event. The only official statement I’ve been able to find is an answer to a question on their Facebook page on January 24 saying they expected about 2,000-2,500 people, though stating the venue could hold up to 10,000.

To pay for this expansive guest list and large space, Unicon planned to charge for autographs and sell various perks – a seat at a ‘celebrity dinner’, space in a ‘box seat’ type space, etc. However, the major money maker at any con is simple attendance fees – a weekend pass to Unicon was $64 if you pre-registered and $85 at the door.

But it…didn’t work out quite as expected. Remember that 2,000-2,500 attendance estimate? Apparently they only got about 1,200 attendees. Now, even if you use conservative estimates, assuming they expected 2,000 full-weekend attendees and planned as if every single attendee would pre-register and pay the lower amount of $64, that’s still a gap of about $51,000 between what they expected in registration fees and what they got.

At the start, there was a lot of confusion about what exactly took place at the con. It did happen! Many attendees are saying they had a great time! However, there are also a lot of rumors flying around that the guests’ hotel rooms were not actually paid for and that the guests were either being charged for their supposedly-comped rooms or kicked out altogether, that the hotel closed down the entire event early, that none of the industry guests currently stand to get their appearance fees, etc. Many of these rumors are unconfirmed, but it DOES seem undeniable that Unicon is suddenly in big financial trouble.

So, what did Unicon do about this? Not a lot. It does seem that they dropped the prices of autographs and photos on the last day to entice more people to buy, in an apparent attempt to recoup some money. But I haven’t been able to find any kind of formal (or even informal!) statement from the convention organizers – not on their website, or their forums, or their Twitter or Facebook accounts.

Unicon is being assisted, however, by the brony fandom! Specifically, this rescue mission seems to be spearheaded by Everfree Radio. Everfree Radio is not involved in the running of Unicon – in fact, some of their ‘staff’ appear to have been invited as guests – but they have posted a statement of need on their website and are soliciting donations to pay for the “overextension of funds” as they politely put it. There is a twitter hashtag, #LasPegAssist! They also put up a truly, um, amazing thirteen minute video about the request, which can be reviewed here.

If you don’t have the patience to watch the video, the basic argument seems to be:

1. Cons are really important to the fan community.
2. Unicon was a huge con experiment in inviting every industry guest ever to a single first-year event.
3. Which makes Unicon…too big to fail!
4. Specifically, if the fandom doesn’t step up to the plate and reimburse the guests for the con organizers’ lack of financial planning, it will reflect poorly on the fandom as a whole and negatively impact the likelihood of getting industry guests at future events.

Fan reaction has been mixed. Many bronies appear to be willing to donate money towards this fund, even though it has not been made clear how much money is needed, where exactly it will be going (beyond ‘the voice actors’) or how this situation occurred. Others are upset. To quote one Tumblr user who sums up the disgruntled reaction fairly concisely: “We don’t know how to handle money; PLEASE SAVE US BY GIVING US MORE MONEY”.

However, this upsets the supportive-of-LasPegAssist-bronies, who get mad at the not-supportive-of-LasPegAssist-bronies for confusing the Everfree Radio guys (who are relatively blameless) with the Unicon organizers. (In fact, see the comments of that same Tumblr post for an example!) Rinse, lather, repeat.

And this is all WITHOUT knowing what happened to cause this significant shortfall in money.

Then it starts to devolve pretty fast. See Equestria Daily post with sudden announcement referring to people being stranded in Vegas and fundraisers to help these individuals who were charged full+ rates at the hotel at the last minute. [NOTE: The banner on the site is creepy, plus the site ran some script that my computer didn't like.] A few people try to cobble the story of WTF happened on Tumblr.

Suddenly, an announcement from Unicon on their website, with rampant hotel/agent VA bashing:

"Between last minute add-ons by the hotel/convention center employees, (on top of a 5 month swim through their lies and misdirections) equipment rental changes, un-authorized transportation charges, unmentioned union labor costs, and two dozen other unexpected last-week costs, our convention operations budget had been depleted. Now this is not to say that the voice actors and other MLP:FiM cast members had been overlooked. Contrary to some unfounded and untrue statements, the celebrities’ agents have all received monies from us - both prior to the convention and during. Exactly how much has been received by the agents is impossible to say with certainty. We have records of payments totalling in excess of $40,000 to the various agents. However, an unknown amount of cash was witnessed, on more than one occasion on Sunday, being directly removed by an agent of the stars from our cash box. Additionally, all monies raised by EFN’s fundraiser and all autograph sales went uncounted directly to the stars’ agents." [Bolding mine, site now deleted]


That appears to be the last statement made by the organisers but the drama doesn't end there:


* Another account from a vender. This one has lots of detail, including how no one bothered to organise transport for Tara Strong and the John de Lancie info:

My brother went to find out what was going so very wrong, and came back with stories of how one of the voice actresses ragequit and just up and left the con. He also told me that “John de Lancie is just out in the hall looking very upset while talking on the phone… he looks so angry that people are afraid to even try to approach him.”

and info on the fake money:

Fake. Fucking. Printed-on-cardstock. Monopoly money. We were told we were supposed to accept this fake money the con had printed, but were never told to what end. I still don’t fully know why, just that it was the stupidest concept I’d ever heard of. Essentially, we were told that some people would pay us with the fake money. We were expected to take it, and then cash it at registration at the end of the con (That changed to 5pm when things started to crash, which then turned into ‘good luck getting your money back’). I finally gathered that they were perhaps paying their volunteers with it. I’m not sure. I just know that I have 15 dollars worth of funny money that I never got reimbursed for.


* A very detailed Google doc that includes the strong suggestion that everyone got scammed by pros (although they cover themselves by saying that gosh, of course they are certain it was simply incompetence.)

* A brony who attended Unicon shows one of the rare Unicon convention booklets. [Note: that link goes to a YouTube video.] Evidently a lot of vendors paid for ads and hardly any of the con booklets were made or distributed.


* A check the organizers sent one of the guests (the man behind the music on the show, I believe) BOUNCED:


* The person in charge of the con (you know, the one that fucked it up and is accused of scamming people) is suing Everfree Network for libel


* Tara Strong, one of the VAs, confirmed her check bounced as well


* Also, yes, people are already making 'Last Unicon' jokes [NOTE: holy crap terrifying background image if you hate venquilitrist dummies.]


In conclusion, lol bronies.

ETA: Fixed a link and typo. Another vendor has come forward with their experience and [info]hopsandbarley has created a far superior pony currency for us to enjoy.




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[info]ladybirdsleeps
2013-03-11 01:54 am UTC (link)
Fake. Fucking. Printed-on-cardstock. Monopoly money. We were told we were supposed to accept this fake money the con had printed, but were never told to what end.

They're bronies, so -- exchange it for Reddit gold?

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(no subject) - [info]hopefulnebula, 2013-03-11 08:31 pm UTC

[info]cinnamonical
2013-03-11 02:15 am UTC (link)
...I'm stuck on that fake money. That looks like something I would have drawn in 8th grade. No, 4th grade.

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[info]cyndra_falin
2013-03-11 02:25 am UTC (link)
Dude. You don't piss off Q.

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[info]ivyette
2013-03-11 02:26 am UTC (link)
I saw Tara Strong talking about this on her twitter and I just *knew* there had to be something extremely, incredibly wanky going on. I mean, it IS fan convention.

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(no subject) - [info]thoms, 2013-03-11 06:02 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ivyette, 2013-03-11 06:44 am UTC

[info]iczer6
2013-03-11 02:46 am UTC (link)
What's wrong the ED banner?

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(no subject) - [info]tunxeh, 2013-03-11 03:30 am UTC
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[info]cmdr_zoom
2013-03-11 03:25 am UTC (link)
ohhh, this is bad.

This is "Celestia appearing overhead like an LAPD chopper and calling you out by your full name" you-done-fucked-up-bigtime bad.

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(no subject) - [info]come_love_sleep, 2013-03-11 07:32 pm UTC
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[info]dracobolt
2013-03-11 03:30 am UTC (link)
A friend of mine who's way more involved in the MLP fandom than I am gave me a basic rundown of the situation when it was happening. I gotta say, she was way more optimistic about it than I was, and it looks like I was right to be skeptical. Bronies.

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[info]paladin
2013-03-11 03:53 am UTC (link)
the strong suggestion that everyone got scammed by pros

Con organizer thanfiction was unavailable for comment.

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(no subject) - [info]puipui, 2013-03-11 06:37 am UTC
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[info]ekaterinv
2013-03-11 04:03 am UTC (link)
many guests staying at the hotel were either denied rooms or presented with unexpected fees (some over $1000). It has emerged that Sandi Haas, the con organizer, gave the call for the hotel to charge the guests to help to reduce her debt.

And the hotel just did it? Is that legal?

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(no subject) - [info]argylespy, 2013-03-11 08:13 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ruaki, 2013-03-12 02:21 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]ruaki, 2013-03-22 07:25 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]franzen, 2013-03-12 05:33 am UTC
ETA: Okay, yes, I confirmed my hunch. - [info]franzen, 2013-03-12 06:21 am UTC

[info]tez
2013-03-11 04:19 am UTC (link)
Apparently Sandi is planning on suing EverFree Network for slander/libel, even though people at the convention can present a class action lawsuit against her for breaking contracts that were created at the convention.

"Um, um, uh...look over there!! They're the real meanies! Let's all sue them instead!"

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[info]jkefka
2013-03-11 04:21 am UTC (link)
youuuu do not try to swindle Tara Strong.

This is going to end in blood. Hit men. Possibly hit men with those hello kitty AK-47s I see cycling past my facebook feed from time to time, but someone is going to going to have the shit loved and tolerated right out of them. Possibly via their ears.

Wow. I have heard of a few catastrophic cons, but they were like, Three-Mile-Island or Fukushima catastrophic. Very overblown, but actually not many people got hurt. This is some straight-up Chernobyl shit right here.

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(no subject) - [info]shadwing, 2013-03-11 05:19 am UTC
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[info]jkefka
2013-03-11 05:00 am UTC (link)
Sorry to double-post but OH MY HOLY FUCKING GOD IT'S LIKE STARING INTO THE LEESER SHIT ALL OVER AGAIN.

Reading further into the background of the organizer, she's "had dealings with the pagan community" and "had a variety of aliases". She runs a questionably legal exotic creature pet shop.

I just cannot even. Is there some secret fucking order of these people? People with weird employment histories who find gullible fandoms and fleece them mightily?

Gods, the more I read the worse it gets. This is looking so incredibly bad.

FUCK, she even LOOKS like Leeser.


Nyaaaaaaaaagh

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[info]deliciouschaos
2013-03-11 05:09 am UTC (link)
Oh my god, it's full of stars.

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[info]thoms
2013-03-11 06:01 am UTC (link)
I watched a lot of this as it was going down on Tumblr. I remarked to a couple of friends that much as I dislike bronies in general, I felt bad for them getting stranded/swindled like that, and I am glad the community rallied to help get everyone home. Though it was pointed out to me by one friend that hopefully this doesn't set the precedent that everytime a con fails, Everfree is going to be there to bail them out.

As for Sandi. I know the writer of the Google doc is playing the CYA game so he doesn't get his ass sued, but... how anyone can see this as anything other than a scam job is beyond me. Maybe that's me looking at it through TentMoot colored glasses, but when it looks like a scam, reads like a scam and smells like a scam...

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[info]hopsandbarley
2013-03-11 06:22 am UTC (link)
...Woooooooooow, I really have been out of the loop in the fandom. I mean, I knew that there were some bounced checks, and one of the voice actresses (Nicole Oliver) was actually stranded at the Vegas airport without a ride, but I didn't know it was this much of a Celestia-damned mess.

It's times like this that part of me doesn't regret only checking Equestria Daily for episode airdates and pics of new merchandise. Hell, I now have a reason not to feel too bad about not being able to go to 99% of all the cons (pony and otherwise) all my friends go to.

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(no subject) - [info]iczer6, 2013-03-11 06:49 am UTC

[info]wankismyfandom
2013-03-11 07:21 am UTC (link)
That's ... a whole lot of ponies that now hate the con organizers.

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(no subject) - [info]caffeine_fairy, 2013-03-11 02:23 pm UTC

[info]coffee_mug
2013-03-11 09:39 am UTC (link)
Finally brony wank that isn't unfunny/misogynist!

Sucks for everybody who got potentially fleeced by the organiser(s), though. The Google Doc sure makes it seem suspicious as all hell.

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[info]kijikun
2013-03-11 11:39 am UTC (link)
I swear its like clock work. People just start to forget the last 'con' that went down like this (and all the warning signs) and BOOM another one pops up.

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[info]themadscientist
2013-03-11 02:57 pm UTC (link)
I went to a MLP con once.

It was kind of boring.

Bought a ton of plastic ponies for a good deal though. >.>

what exactly would they do at a Brony con anyway?

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(no subject) - [info]phosfate, 2013-03-11 06:38 pm UTC
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[info]beachlass
2013-03-11 03:14 pm UTC (link)
I'm loving the non-ironic reporting:

Also keep in mind this convention had like ALL the major pony media outlets at it.

ALL the major pony media outlets. Like PNN and BBC PonyNews and MLP Jazeera.

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(no subject) - [info]loopywafflehead, 2013-03-11 05:09 pm UTC
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[info]redcoast
2013-03-11 03:49 pm UTC (link)
Well, I was just complaining about the Supernatural convention in Las Vegas that I just went to, but at least there the talent got paid.

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[info]life_on_mars
2013-03-11 07:06 pm UTC (link)
I used to run conventions, back in the day - when dinosaurs ruled the Earth - and you can bet your backside nobody ever had the key to the convention cashbox but me. That, right there, is how you know for sure that these people either didn't have a clue or are bullshitting like mad.

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(no subject) - [info]shadwing, 2013-03-12 03:32 am UTC

[info]singe
2013-03-11 08:03 pm UTC (link)
I'm just glad Wikipedia says there's gonna be a 4th season.

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[info]ladyvyola
2013-03-11 08:26 pm UTC (link)
Okay, people. It's times like these when a girl realizes that she only has two pony icons (and only one of them hates you) and clearly she's gonna need more.

Hook me up?

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(no subject) - [info]shinysandals, 2013-03-11 09:33 pm UTC
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[info]eevee
2013-03-11 10:38 pm UTC (link)
> Monies

See, the mere fact that you call it that way tells me you're not ready for it.

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(no subject) - [info]kumquat_of_doom, 2013-03-15 04:16 am UTC


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