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it looks like redcoats, but it isn't ([info]redcoast) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2013-05-05 16:34:00


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Entry tags:accuracy is for tools, at least no one's knotting, burn baby burn, cons, fandom: supernatural, homophobia, i hate you and i hate you, i swear i will turn this comm around, lost the lulz, mod has a headache, oh hurrah the daily dot, passive-aggression with tags, person: jensen ackles, sex police, still not funny, this is not funny, troll or dumbass?, tumblr is witchcraft, wanking inside the house, what the shit is this?

What happened to SPN's bi pride?
Jensen Ackles is rather famous for being uncomfortable discussing the homoerotic subtext of Supernatural, despite that this subtext is actually text. I mean, there was an episode where Dean and Sam went to a Supernatural fan convention with a panel called "The Homoerotic Subtext of Supernatural." (Yeah, that really happened. It's a weird show.) Also, he's been doing this for nine years, so come on, man.

Anyway ... hee. Sorry, I rewatched that video and I'm laughing at how accurate it is, except that the fans should be about 95% female.

Anyway, most of the notable cast members (Misha Collins, Jim Beaver, Mark Shepard, etc.) have proven to be open about discussing gay stuff, but Ackles is allergic to it or something and usually refuses to talk about it, perhaps because when he does talk about it, he's pretty much a dick.

At today's Creation Entertainment's Supernatural convention in New Jersey, a fan, first in line at the joint Jarpad/Jackles panel, asked a question that began, "I love your character becoming more comfortable with himself over the season. I'm bisexual and -- " at which point she was drowned out by boos and groans from the crowd. You can watch the exchange here:

Jensen replied, "I'm really confused. Really? The first question?" then something about the East Coast, then, "Don't ruin it for everybody, now." The fan replied, "I didn't mean it as disrespectful at all." Jensen: "I still don't know what the question was. I'm gonna pretend I don't know what the question was. So I'm gonna take my cue and move on."

The fan who recorded it writes:

I’m really upset about this. My response to the girl’s question was of exasperation which you can hear (I say “Aye Dios Mio.”) She DOES start asking about the subtext in the show. When I heard the crowd collectively booing though, I got really uncomfortable with my own response and also theirs. When I heard Jensen’s response, I was stunned into silence and didn’t record, take pics, or really even hear the questions for a bit.

You cannot see this in the video, but I was on the side the girl was on, very close. As soon as everyone starts booing, Clif [Jensen's bodyguard], who was standing right near her, goes up to her and began having a conversation with her. She stood to the side for a bit after she stepped away from the mic (which was right after she said “I meant no disrespect”) and I thought perhaps Clif had heard all of her question and was going to let her ask or she was going to ask a new question, but after a bit she walked away.

On the way out of the panel, my friend said she saw the girl in the ballroom, wiping at her face. I didn’t see her myself, but I don’t think you need to be a genius to guess she was upset.
Fans are shocked, both at the booing immediately following someone saying they're gay bi, and Jensen's response. There's some rather depressing replies like this (warning, autoplay music): "I feel like my heart is breaking. Being Bi was never something I thought I would dislike about myself, but this is just really uncomfortable for me. I just… I wish I didn’t read/watch this. I’d rather not know."

Not everyone is mad at Jensen. Some fans defend him, like this guy, who says she deserved it because she was told not to ask a shipping question and she asked a shipping question. And someone else said she should be slapped. Cue sarcasm:
OH NO. A STRAIGHT CIS MALE WAS MADE UNCOMFORTABLE AT THE PROSPECT THAT HIS CHARACTER MIGHT BE—GASP—A HOMOSEXUAL? Clearly we should dogpile and humiliate a young bisexual teenage girl. Because she obviously doesn’t know how hard it is to be a privileged white man in this day and age and will never know the discomfort of being mistaken for a dirty homoseuxal.
Calico-kat has some really interesting analysis of how Creation runs cons and asks why the show is can talk about Wincest fanfic during episodes but the fans are not allowed to ask about it? Or as she puts it, "Y U MAEK SHO U NO LET US TALK ABT SHO?"

Creation Con announces that there will be NO MORE SHIPPING QUESTIONS and anyone who defies this rule will be tackled by ninjas. Shipping is ruined now. YOU RUINED SHIPPING.

Turns out, the fan wasn't even asking about shipping. She wanted to ask Jensen if he would participate in the It Gets Better project. So that's depressing.

Edit: The consensus was that this wasn't funny. Sorry about that. I obviously made an error in judgment yesterday. Also, some people said this was triggering/upsetting with regards to bi/homophobia, so be warned.

Edit 2: holy shit. That's a nice painting.


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[info]anatsuno
2013-05-06 03:53 am UTC (link)
Creation Entertainment, man. I won't be sad when that company bites the dust, I can tell you.

Also, as much as I grok that repeated shipping questions can be annoying (I think fanaticism of shippers can be pretty gross in convention settings and where the stars are concerned), the sort of kneejerk -phobia that leads someone to behave like a complete queerphobic ass and not let a young person who came out in public finish their goddamn question is abhorrent. I hope Ackles feels like an ass, and curse him to step barefoot on legos a few years in a row.

Goddamn, that was depressing.

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[info]themadscientist
2013-05-06 04:37 am UTC (link)
To be fair, there seems to be some mass confusion about what happened. The video is up but there are mixed reports as to whether Jensen was responding to the fans or the girl herself, as her question was completely drowned out by the boos as soon as she said "I'm bisexual"

In other words - a lot of mess and regular SPN-level craycray with questionable reasons as to what they are responding to.

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[info]kijikun
2013-05-06 05:22 am UTC (link)
To be fair, creation con only cares about the color of peoples money. And people were being fuck horrible.

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[info]themadscientist
2013-05-06 10:32 am UTC (link)
Well yes - I will not disagree with you there at all.
But experience has pointed to SPN fandom having a slightly irrational mob mentality so while I don't think Jensen Ackles is the bastion of tolerance, I also don't think he'd go out of his way to embarrass a random fan.

tl;dr - Creation sucks, this whole idea of conventions you pay upwards of thousands of dollars to hear actors suck, and while I don't think Jensen Ackles is a bastion of love and tolerance, experience has taught me this is far less one individual and lots of really intensely... passionate people making a mountain out of a big ol' hole of fail

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[info]cmdr_zoom
2013-05-07 04:54 am UTC (link)
lots of really intensely... passionate people making a mountain out of a big ol' hole of fail

(SPN) fandom in one sentence, y'all.

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[info]phosfate
2013-05-06 02:12 pm UTC (link)
This bullshit isn't confined to Creation by any means. I go to an old-school slash con fairly regularly (missing it this year for reasons), and some of the attendees are the most queerphobic people you will meet outside Westboro Baptist. No, I don't get it either.

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[info]catmoran
2013-05-06 07:03 pm UTC (link)
some of the attendees are the most queerphobic people you will meet

Wow. That's it's own special mountain of fail, isn't it? I don't suppose you'd care to share the name of the con, so I can avoid it like the plague?

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[info]phosfate
2013-05-06 07:43 pm UTC (link)
No, becuase you're gonna find that shit anywhere you find fandom.

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[info]phosfate
2013-05-06 11:50 pm UTC (link)
^ Because. SPELLING IS MY GIFT.

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[info]sepiamagpie
2013-05-06 11:54 pm UTC (link)
I thought we were all one big happy family, grandma Annie.

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[info]phosfate
2013-05-06 11:57 pm UTC (link)
Ohhhhhhhhhhhh yes.

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[info]puipui
2013-05-07 08:52 am UTC (link)
We are one big family; we're just one of those families that can barely get together for one single holiday dinner per year without everyone drunkenly screaming at each other and someone trying to shiv Aunt Marge.

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[info]redcoast
2013-05-06 07:09 pm UTC (link)
At a slash con?

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[info]phosfate
2013-05-06 07:42 pm UTC (link)
I'm really sorry, I've got to do something about this godawful stutter.

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[info]puipui
2013-05-06 10:13 pm UTC (link)
It's impressive how you managed to stutter while typing even without stutter-typing, though.

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[info]lied_ohne_worte
2013-05-06 05:43 pm UTC (link)
What I find depressing about this is that a mention of non-heterosexuality immediately means that the question is expected to be about "shipping" - because it's not as if it's a real-life issue that affects actual people, rather than picking two "hot" characters or actors and putting them together for fan gratification.

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[info]agent_hyatt
2013-05-06 10:08 pm UTC (link)
Yuuuup.

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[info]ekaterinv
2013-05-07 03:18 am UTC (link)
Isn't that what it's for? Cute men are there to put penii (I know it's not a word but it amuses me) into each other's orifices for the squeeing and gratification of others. Actual people having or wanting actual sex and complex love and relationships and etc. are just icky.

Isn't it reassuring that women can be just as bad as men when it comes to human beings interfering with their wank material? Reassuring of what, I don't know.

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