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it looks like redcoats, but it isn't ([info]redcoast) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2013-05-05 16:34:00


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Entry tags:accuracy is for tools, at least no one's knotting, burn baby burn, cons, fandom: supernatural, homophobia, i hate you and i hate you, i swear i will turn this comm around, lost the lulz, mod has a headache, oh hurrah the daily dot, passive-aggression with tags, person: jensen ackles, sex police, still not funny, this is not funny, troll or dumbass?, tumblr is witchcraft, wanking inside the house, what the shit is this?

What happened to SPN's bi pride?
Jensen Ackles is rather famous for being uncomfortable discussing the homoerotic subtext of Supernatural, despite that this subtext is actually text. I mean, there was an episode where Dean and Sam went to a Supernatural fan convention with a panel called "The Homoerotic Subtext of Supernatural." (Yeah, that really happened. It's a weird show.) Also, he's been doing this for nine years, so come on, man.

Anyway ... hee. Sorry, I rewatched that video and I'm laughing at how accurate it is, except that the fans should be about 95% female.

Anyway, most of the notable cast members (Misha Collins, Jim Beaver, Mark Shepard, etc.) have proven to be open about discussing gay stuff, but Ackles is allergic to it or something and usually refuses to talk about it, perhaps because when he does talk about it, he's pretty much a dick.

At today's Creation Entertainment's Supernatural convention in New Jersey, a fan, first in line at the joint Jarpad/Jackles panel, asked a question that began, "I love your character becoming more comfortable with himself over the season. I'm bisexual and -- " at which point she was drowned out by boos and groans from the crowd. You can watch the exchange here:

Jensen replied, "I'm really confused. Really? The first question?" then something about the East Coast, then, "Don't ruin it for everybody, now." The fan replied, "I didn't mean it as disrespectful at all." Jensen: "I still don't know what the question was. I'm gonna pretend I don't know what the question was. So I'm gonna take my cue and move on."

The fan who recorded it writes:

I’m really upset about this. My response to the girl’s question was of exasperation which you can hear (I say “Aye Dios Mio.”) She DOES start asking about the subtext in the show. When I heard the crowd collectively booing though, I got really uncomfortable with my own response and also theirs. When I heard Jensen’s response, I was stunned into silence and didn’t record, take pics, or really even hear the questions for a bit.

You cannot see this in the video, but I was on the side the girl was on, very close. As soon as everyone starts booing, Clif [Jensen's bodyguard], who was standing right near her, goes up to her and began having a conversation with her. She stood to the side for a bit after she stepped away from the mic (which was right after she said “I meant no disrespect”) and I thought perhaps Clif had heard all of her question and was going to let her ask or she was going to ask a new question, but after a bit she walked away.

On the way out of the panel, my friend said she saw the girl in the ballroom, wiping at her face. I didn’t see her myself, but I don’t think you need to be a genius to guess she was upset.
Fans are shocked, both at the booing immediately following someone saying they're gay bi, and Jensen's response. There's some rather depressing replies like this (warning, autoplay music): "I feel like my heart is breaking. Being Bi was never something I thought I would dislike about myself, but this is just really uncomfortable for me. I just… I wish I didn’t read/watch this. I’d rather not know."

Not everyone is mad at Jensen. Some fans defend him, like this guy, who says she deserved it because she was told not to ask a shipping question and she asked a shipping question. And someone else said she should be slapped. Cue sarcasm:
OH NO. A STRAIGHT CIS MALE WAS MADE UNCOMFORTABLE AT THE PROSPECT THAT HIS CHARACTER MIGHT BE—GASP—A HOMOSEXUAL? Clearly we should dogpile and humiliate a young bisexual teenage girl. Because she obviously doesn’t know how hard it is to be a privileged white man in this day and age and will never know the discomfort of being mistaken for a dirty homoseuxal.
Calico-kat has some really interesting analysis of how Creation runs cons and asks why the show is can talk about Wincest fanfic during episodes but the fans are not allowed to ask about it? Or as she puts it, "Y U MAEK SHO U NO LET US TALK ABT SHO?"

Creation Con announces that there will be NO MORE SHIPPING QUESTIONS and anyone who defies this rule will be tackled by ninjas. Shipping is ruined now. YOU RUINED SHIPPING.

Turns out, the fan wasn't even asking about shipping. She wanted to ask Jensen if he would participate in the It Gets Better project. So that's depressing.

Edit: The consensus was that this wasn't funny. Sorry about that. I obviously made an error in judgment yesterday. Also, some people said this was triggering/upsetting with regards to bi/homophobia, so be warned.

Edit 2: holy shit. That's a nice painting.


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Re: In the faint hopes that this post might provide SOME entertainment...
[info]lanas_archive
2013-05-07 12:34 am UTC (link)
Yeah, it's not that I want to say 'fuck you' to mpreg readers, it's that it comes up so rarely and there are characters where I'm fairly sure it would, so I feel the need to put something out there.

I kinda have 'mpreg magic' going on in mine too: in the canon the character has spontaneous regeneration that can be passed on through blood so his attempt fails when the foetus regenerates, and it all goes very dark and body-horror after that. I have a feeling that a lot of mpreg readers are gonna hate it but I'll just try to let them know up front that it's not fluffy. I touch on the topic in my Hulk/Loki Mpreg too, but in that one it's daddy who's freaking the hell out and trying to talk his partner out of going ahead.

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Re: In the faint hopes that this post might provide SOME entertainment...
[info]soc_puppet
2013-05-07 01:22 am UTC (link)
Exactly! It's filling a niche.

Wow, yeah, I can see where that has the potential to be very upsetting to your typical mpreg reader. While I'm sure there are many reasons to read and write mpreg, the big one that comes to mind for me is wish fulfillment for your OTP having a baby/babies that share their DNA and can pass on their genetic legacy, especially for those that have special powers or whatever. (The schadenfreude of putting a cis-dude through something that IRL (for the time being) only uterus-owners experience is probably next in line, but I figure that's a bigger motivator for genderfuck stories.) The idea of one or both genetic contributors freaking the fuck out over the results and absolutely rejecting it runs counter to that motivation. Mine is/are a lot more happily-ever-after/ideal results for pregnant partner wanting to get an abortion.

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Re: In the faint hopes that this post might provide SOME entertainment...
[info]lanas_archive
2013-05-07 02:16 am UTC (link)
Yeah, I have to admit I'm a bit nervous about posting them, even though they both do eventually reach happy endings. I'm probably just gonna have to hope that people pay attention to the warnings/summaries, although they haven't always with my other 'fluffy trope done dark' fics. Maybe sparkle text will work this time. With the Hulk/Loki fic I was already kinda doomed by the pairing: passing down his super-power is Bruce Banner's worst nightmare before there's any danger of the mother raising the kid to be a supervillain.

LQL, I guess I'll just fill a very small niche and try not to let the angst and gore drip out onto other people's fluff.

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Re: In the faint hopes that this post might provide SOME entertainment...
[info]soc_puppet
2013-05-07 06:08 am UTC (link)
I totally don't know how my brain read "Hulk" as "Thor", but that is a thing that it did. I was rather confused as to why Thor would be upset about fathering anything (since I'm assuming in either case that Loki would be the pregnant one, him having a history of that and all), especially in Thorki fandom, but Bruce wanting the child aborted makes much more sense. Also you have officially caught my interest in this pairing, if only from a HOW WOULD IT WORK perspective.

What's LQL? My textspeak is failing me :/

Fingers crossed that nobody tries to stop the spread of angst/gore via cauterization.

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Re: In the faint hopes that this post might provide SOME entertainment...
[info]lanas_archive
2013-05-07 04:53 pm UTC (link)
LQL is Laugh Quite Loud, I'm not sure where I got it from, but it's like a quieter LOL. Sorry, I've been trying to avoid the less used text-speak, but sometimes it just slips in.

I totally don't know how my brain read "Hulk" as "Thor", but that is a thing that it did.

To be honest, I get why someone might sub the commonest pairing in the fandom for one of the rarest, XD

HOW WOULD IT WORK

LOL, it mostly boils down to Loki having a size kink and the Hulk being hung like a *ahem* stallion. Myth!canon is a gift on that one. Personally, my fics/headcanon developed from a kink-meme prompt that asked for a scenario where jotun are pretty rough when it comes to flirting, and being flung around like a ragdoll made, and I quote, "Loki's jotun hind-brain sit up and beg for green babies." I've added in Loki rationalising his attraction by thinking that he's pissed off a lot of people and there's no bolt-hole quite like the arms of a protective Hulk. The Hulk is just greatly enjoying this new method of relieving frustration. Also, I heard that in one cartoon Bruce starts to let the big guy out to do his own thing, and it turns out that the approach gives the Hulk a lot more self-control, so I've used that bit of characterisation. While Bruce isn't exactly happy about a certain high-maintenance Norse god turning up and demanding that the Hulk be allowed out to play, he has to admit that he's really enjoying the benefits of it.

I'm hoping for no cauterisation too, lol.

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