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Maria ([info]ladyofviolets) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2013-06-17 07:58:00


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Entry tags:fandom: digimon, shipping is very serious business

Further proof that ship wars will never ever end.
All right, this one's a little late according to the WR comment, but I'm posting it anyway because this shit's too damn funny to let it pass.

Search the Taiora or Sorato tag on tumblr and you might run into the news that Hiroyuki Kakudou, the director for the first two Digimon series, recently answered questions about Sora and Yamato getting together at the end of Digimon Adventure 02 instead of the statistically more popular favorite, Taichi and Sora, on his Twitter account.

A while ago, Jippy posed a couple of questions to Kakudou via Twitter about what went on with the executive decision to make Sora and Yamato the canon pairing. He answered that Sorato had been planned since the beginning of Digimon Adventure, and that Taichi and Sora were never meant to be. Jippy took to tumblr and made some tl;dr posts discussing his replies, as well as using it to push her explanation of "Sorato is real" and overanalyzing the Taisorato relationship to contribute to individual character development, along with contradictory statements that Digimon was supposed to focus on friendship, not romance.

Lots of butthurt ensued.

Some tumblr users called out Jippy for calling the Taiora relationship an "obstacle" for Sorato to happen. Taiora fans were also vocal regarding the fact that it still didn't change the fact that Sorato wasn't very well-developed compared to the Taiora relationship.

Shit escalated when Jippy decided to post her news on With the Will, one of the largest English-speaking Digimon forums. Many users either called bullshit on Kakudou's responses, claiming he sounded dismissive, didn't seem to care about the questions asked, or had a different viewpoint in comparison to when he called shots more than a decade ago or complained that Jippy wasted a good opportunity to inquire about more relevant topics about the series instead of about stupid ship stuff. Other users argue that even if Sorato was planned from the beginning, that didn't excuse its poor development, as even the voice cast involved didn't catch on and portrayed the characters how they thought they might have gone. Jippy doesn't make it any better when she continues to insist that Sorato made sense to her and always had been real in the snippiest way possible.

Additionally, user KaenKazui argued that some of the writers under Kakudou supported Taiora, and even claimed correspondence with Satoru Nishizono (one of the lead writers for Digimon Adventure) about the situation, but when asked to produce the receipts, refused. Instead, she/he retaliated by accusing Jippy of being disrespectful of publishing Kakudou's tweets even though his account was public. Also, KaenKazui refutes Jippy's claims supported by DVD interviews by insinuating that official interviews are untrustworthy, as they are strictly conducted without any bastard questions and the staff aren't allowed to say anything that would potentially make them or the show look bad.



I personally never had a bone to pick in this fight since I hung out in the Jyou/Mimi corner and refused to touch the Taiora vs. Sorato vs. Taito bullcrap (specially since Sora was so hated by all "corners"), but still. Dammit people, it has been like... 10 years, if not MORE?



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[info]themadscientist
2013-06-17 02:46 pm UTC (link)
Still mourning the loss of Daisuke x Ken myself

But mostly it was "WHY DID YOU GO FROM SUPER-COOL ROCK STAR TO ASTRONAUT IS HE PLAYING MUSIC IN SPACE?!" oh silly silly Digimon

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[info]ladyofviolets
2013-06-17 03:48 pm UTC (link)
Daisuke/Ken was fine to me, though it didn't drive me crazy. Miyako/Hikari all the way, tho. <3

And about the last one... welp. Though playing music in space would've been kinda cool, won't deny it.

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[info]themadscientist
2013-06-17 03:53 pm UTC (link)
I liked... I think it was Mimi / Miyako? Yes. That sounds right. But Daisuke/Ken was the most obvious and had a big impact on both characters so it was always the OTP.

In other words, I just pretended the finale didn't exist and everyone was off doing interesting things and having HoYay and LesYay The End.

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[info]ladyofviolets
2013-06-17 03:56 pm UTC (link)
Well, it was kind of an afterthought compared with the series as a whole... and it lasted less than ten minutes. It can be easily ignored if one wants to, so whatev'ah. As long as it lets me have my Mimi/Jyou and my Miyako/Hikari, IDGAF.

Which is why this deal makes me facepalm so much. Not only it's been MORE THAN A DECADE, but since the epilogue set-up came out of nowhere it can be easily tucked aside w/o much hassle or change. U so whiny, fandom.

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[info]themadscientist
2013-06-17 04:20 pm UTC (link)
Mimi/Jyou is kind of crazy adorable. Come to think of it can't it be a mass OTEveryone? That sounds like it could work.

Of course, at least they got an ending too damn you Yukiru Sugisak.

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[info]kari_izumi
2013-09-01 06:12 am UTC (link)
I started rewatching the first two seasons on Netflix (seriously, look up under Digimon Adventures with the original Japanese promo pic) and oh boy, does she have a lot of Ho Yay scenes. One scene has her noting that Sora's hands are warm, and then there's the one where she had a fantasy of flying into Mimi's arms in episode Six. I wonder what I'll find when I get up to one where she and Hikari Jogress digivolve for the first time! O_O ;)

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[info]miome
2013-06-18 01:17 am UTC (link)
Obligatory use of this icon! lol ramen cart whut

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[info]cinnamonical
2013-06-18 02:56 am UTC (link)
-- oh gods I lol'd at your icon.

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[info]ladyofviolets
2013-06-18 07:59 pm UTC (link)
Hey, no hatin' on the ramen cart! Somehow I thought that one was kinda funny, whether it made sense or not.

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[info]stupid_fangirl
2013-06-17 04:55 pm UTC (link)
*silently waves Kenato flag*

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[info]iczer6
2013-06-17 07:20 pm UTC (link)
I was never the biggest Tai/Sora fan but even I though the Sora/Ken pairing made no fucking sense.

I recall reading on the TV Tropes that the Sora and Ken voice actors though the pairing made no sense either.

And yeah it still does bug me even though it shouldn't. I have no idea why.

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[info]cinnamonical
2013-06-18 12:15 am UTC (link)
Nostalgia bomb! Digimon 01/02 was one of the first fandoms that I got somewhat actively involved in (by which I mean "started reading fic"). I don't remember what I shipped, though.

But that's not important -- I got my penname from Sora, so any Sora haters (I didn't even realize they existed, though on an intellectual level I suppose I should have expected it) can go scuba diving in Erta Ale. :|

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[info]spawn_of_kong
2013-06-18 03:24 am UTC (link)
any Sora haters...can go scuba diving in Erta Ale. :|

A+ geographic/geologic reference. :D

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[info]cinnamonical
2013-06-18 03:30 am UTC (link)
Hee! I was wondering how long it would take for someone to comment on that. :D

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[info]ladyofviolets
2013-06-18 08:03 pm UTC (link)
Sora-hating Taito fans were the ones who "introduced" me to the misogyny coming from rabid yaoi haters, even before the times I was into Gundam wing and the 2x1 fans completely scarred me.

I don't think I've ever recovered, since I always thought Sora was a sweetie. And if Taichi EVER did like her more than a friend, then she didn't owe him pussy or anything; seeing Taiora fans call her bitch and shallow for "breaking his heart" still makes me go all STFU.

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[info]salustra
2013-06-18 03:27 am UTC (link)
Shipwars never, ever end. Buffy's been over for ten years and the Bangel vs. Spuffy wars are still as hot and as hateful as ever. Me, I avoid the whole mess, I ship Spangel. Give me my two hot vampires and no bottle blonde Slayer anywhere around.

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[info]ekaterinv
2013-06-18 04:02 am UTC (link)
I don't think insulting two other ships is actually avoiding the whole mess.

Also, if Spike's not a bottled blond, I'll... be very surprised.

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[info]subluxate
2013-06-18 07:57 am UTC (link)
Considering he's a brunette before Dru turns him and in the beginning of S7, when he's living in the high school basement...

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[info]salustra
2013-06-19 05:40 am UTC (link)
I think Bangel and Spuffy in and of themselves are fine. But they go at each other in the most hateful language possible. "Spike's a rapist", "Angel's a mass murderer". Ten years of the *same* arguments over and over. And yeah, Spike's a bottle blonde, but he makes it look *good*. *giggles*.

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[info]lindsay_a
2013-06-20 06:55 am UTC (link)
I love those arguments! It's like everyone magically forget THEY ARE BOTH OLD-ASS VAMPIRES and raping, torturing and mass-murdering people is part of their job description. Spike got off on preying and slaying Slayers (to compensate for his weaker past self?); Angel by seducing-then raping and sadistically killing his victims. That was pretty much Angelus mayor character trait, ffs. IT'S WHAT THEY ARE/WERE, DEAL WITH IT.

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[info]skarrow
2013-06-30 06:53 pm UTC (link)
Ssh, you, 'bottle blond' is only an insult for icky vaginas who get in the way of our manslash.

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[info]hadesphoenix
2013-06-18 11:45 am UTC (link)
They don't. Came across an ongoing war between Aeris/Cloud and Tifa/Cloud shippers just the other day, and Final Fantasy VII has been out for sixteen years with an incredible number of Word of God interviews telling everyone they're wrong anyway.

I avoid it by throwing all the ladies and gentlemen into one big happy pile, which has the added benefit of not falling into the common trap of hating a character just for having a vagina.

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[info]iczer6
2013-06-18 11:08 pm UTC (link)
Square-Enix does keep going back to the FFVII well so I can somewhat understand.

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[info]hadesphoenix
2013-06-18 11:14 pm UTC (link)
That's actually a good point. Sometimes I forget I'm one of the few who likes to pretend the rest of the Compilation never happened and doesn't particularly care one way or the other if there's an HD remake.

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[info]mochibuni
2013-07-03 08:41 am UTC (link)
I ran across Seiya vs Mamoru late last year. I thought that shit was over years ago. Part of me is still a little baffled it was ever an issue because Usagi chose Mamoru from the beginning of the series.

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[info]kari_izumi
2013-09-01 05:57 am UTC (link)
Shipwars never, ever end
They really don't...Power Rangers premiered twenty years ago this week, and you've still got a steady stream of Kat-bashing fanfic from FF.net, to say nothing about the Tommy/Kira (of Dino Force) fics where he uses her as a replacement Kimberly. I...am not even touching that shit.

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[info]robinterrae
2013-06-18 05:44 am UTC (link)
See, I just hang out in my corner of shipping the Chosen together in any combination in which the fic doesn't suck.

Also, Miyako/Daisuke/Ken. Because I can.

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[info]ladyofviolets
2013-06-18 07:58 pm UTC (link)
Miyako/Daisuke/Ken, hmmmm. With a bonus Hikari, I'm totally behind it. :3

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[info]annepackrat
2013-06-18 08:58 pm UTC (link)
I ship Main Male Protagonist x Goggles so I always win.

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[info]seca
2013-06-19 06:08 pm UTC (link)
Even though Daimon wore no goggles in Savers/Data Squad?

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[info]annepackrat
2013-06-19 11:49 pm UTC (link)
I meant in the two series in question.

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[info]chez_moi
2013-07-06 01:02 am UTC (link)
Wow, this takes me back. I was a staunch Sora/Tai/Yamato OT3 shipper before I even knew what threesomes were. Those three have the makings of a marriage from poly heaven, yo.

Although I still maintain it was all about the Mimi/Joe. Damn, I love the Digimon girls. I am bathed in nostalgia right now. Anyone remember the Lost Temple Of Ishida? My 15-year-old self thought it was the funniest thing in existence.

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[info]teruhiko
2013-08-13 06:47 pm UTC (link)
I still think about the Lost Temple of Ishida all the goddamn time.

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[info]tinmiss
2013-07-14 05:19 pm UTC (link)
TK/Kari and Mimi/Joe + Mimi/Izzi. Although I would read pretty much anything happily.

I think I am most confused about some of the future career choices like some other people, though, rather than endgame ships.

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[info]damien
2013-07-24 08:18 pm UTC (link)
...I shipped Yamato with Taichi. I guess it's a good thing that I never ship anything even remotely likely to be canon because damn, man, I'd hate to show up in wank ten years after a show ended.

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[info]teruhiko
2013-08-13 06:49 pm UTC (link)
I'm so late but omg I can't believe I missed this blast from the past. I hated both Taiora and Sorato (and Mimato) FERVENTLY as a dumb teenager and I was hugely into Taito but obviously by now I couldn't care less either way. the ending of 02 is the funniest thing in retrospect. it's hilarious to see this stuff is still going though, it makes me weirdly happy...

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[info]kari_izumi
2013-09-01 06:03 am UTC (link)
Ah, Digimon. Yanno, I too was pissed that Sora and Yamato got together, but then once I got got older I realized I was pissed off that the expected DIDN'T happen...that I never really shipped Taiora at all, but always assumed they would happen just 'cuz that's what the pattern usually is on TV.

At any rate, the whole ending was a clusterfuck that's best ignored. "Everyone had Digimon now and war is now over because of it"? Yeah, that'll happen. *rolls eyes*

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