I love those arguments! It's like everyone magically forget THEY ARE BOTH OLD-ASS VAMPIRES and raping, torturing and mass-murdering people is part of their job description. Spike got off on preying and slaying Slayers (to compensate for his weaker past self?); Angel by seducing-then raping and sadistically killing his victims. That was pretty much Angelus mayor character trait, ffs. IT'S WHAT THEY ARE/WERE, DEAL WITH IT.