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Pretty girls are kryptonite to SPN fans
Spoilers for the upcoming season of Supernatural!

Zombie show Supernatural's Misha Collins revealed at Comic-Con that his character, Castiel, would be getting his first sex scene in the upcoming season, though he refused to give any details about his sex partner. Today, the Huffington Post published an interview with him in which he iterated basically the same information, except for one tiny difference: he mentions females.

Though he still doesn't give away anything about who Castiel is making the beast with two backs with, he does say, "for the first time, when a pretty girl talks to Cas, he takes pause."

Naturally, the fans who were hoping for Dean/Cas take it in stride. Well, some of them do. Some of them lose their minds.

X So, I guess being an angel trapped in a human vessel means you’re automatically going to be heterosexual. So much for the theories about Cas being pansexual/possibly sleeping with a man! It’s all about the pretty girls, right? Wow.

X That’s it, I’m definitely done with spn. People can keep being naive and delusional, and writing their shitty meta about how any of this is oh so wonderful for destiel, but it’s evident they won’t ever make it canon, it was never their intention. Season 8 was just a big queerbaiting fest; the ‘profound bond’ was stammered as a joke, it was all a joke for them but we all bought it. They’ve been consistently writing Cas as a cis het male, even if he wasn’t human, obviously they have no reason to change that now that he is.

I’m not letting them laugh at me any longer, they can shove their crappy show up their het asses.

X I am already seeing people defend this and express distaste for people who are upset by the comments here, so I’m going to enlighten them. [...] Let’s see: A Question is asked about Castiel and what do we get? More talk about “pretty girls" and hormones. Every member of the cast and crew knows that this line of discussion is horrifically upsetting to many fans, yet they continue to joke and brag about it. It would seem that they don’t care that they’re upsetting people. If they did, they would at least tone it down. Instead the talk continues. Some of us see this as a blatant disregard for an entire part of fandom. A part of fandom that has contributed to the success of the show. It’s a slap in the face and it’s unfortunate that there are so many people blinded by loyalty that they can’t see that. [...] Again, rubbing salt into the wound and enjoying it. As many good qualities as Misha Collins has, right now he’s not showing much kindness for the fans who are hurting right now. And yes, he knows many are hurt. This is a way of telling us that they don’t care.

So there it is. A few reasons (but not all) why this article is causing upset in the fandom. They always try to appease the brother only fandom, this time they’re doing it at our expense. We have a right to be upset.

On the other side of the equation, Octoswan posts that she doesn't understand why people are upset, and explains:

I feel like that’s 90% Misha trolling, and even if it’s not? “Taking pause" to a pretty lady does not equal dyed-in-the-wool straightness, nor does it equal a NO HOMO sentiment. This is people projecting negativity where there is none, for something that hasn’t even happened yet. [...] What if Cas was bisexual? What if he wanted to have sex with everyone??? (wait that’s Misha) And having sex with a lady, whoever she might be if it does happen, doesn’t destroy destiel/deancas, because I’m pretty sure it’ll be part of Cas’ arc in some way, something to up the drama.

But others are not taking it so well:

X Yep, this is me peacing out on Supernatural.
I’m done with this show.
I didn’t get into this to watch Cas flirting and sleeping with all the “pretty girls."
I didn’t invest time and energy and emotion to watch 4 fucking years of tension and build-up between 2 characters go down the shitter because TPTB didn’t have the balls to go through with it.
The writers don’t want to “define" Destiel, or “limit" Destiel by making it romantic, according to Adam Glass [Ed. note: I have no idea who this is], (even though all you need is two fucking eyes and a brain to see that it is), but hey, Dean and Cas can fuck all the women they want because they’re so clearly heterosexual. Obviously. What on earth would make me think that an angel in a male vessel could be anything else.
I’ll be back if I’m proven otherwise.
Until then?
Bye.

And:

X It’s simply that I’ve reached my limit with them. I’ve held on to hope during some pretty dark times. Even after SDCC, I told myself that even though it’s clearly not going to be Dean that Cas sleeps with, maybe they’ll take a chance with Cas and not go the “manly man, no homo" route. [...] It would not make sense for an angel to have one single sexual orientation, they shouldn’t care! They should go after anyone they like. But Misha just made it sound like, nope, Cas is hetero, Cas likes pretty girls!! So…there goes my last string of hope. I simply don’t trust Supernatural with my feelings, I don’t. I’ve let things slide before, but I can’t help feeling I’m just setting myself up for heartbreak and disappointment now. And like I said…this might not be permanent. It just depends on what I hear/see from here on out.

I suppose their surprise at Castiel's interest in "pretty girls" might be surprise if Castiel hadn't made out with a girl on the show. He was even got married in one episode where he had amnesia (though that episode was so bad that I think both the fans and the writers are pretending it didn't happen). (And, of course, there were the orgies in a flashforward episode.) So this is not unprecedented. And Misha Collins has been quite supportive of Dean/Castiel shipping. But that's not enough:

X You can’t live as long as Cas has or seen as much as Cas has and not see humans as inferior beings, even subconsciously. But nooooooo, Cas will want to fuck all the pretty girls now that he’s human. In reality, they would seem so immature to him after all he’s been through and seen. This makes me sick. I hate [showrunner] Jeremy Carver for fucking with us last season and making us believe that destiel was going to happen. Carver can take his this new version of Cas and shove him up his ass.

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themadscientist
2013-07-29 01:35 am UTC (link)

What really kills me about the whole "DESTIEL IS CANON THIS SHOW HAS A HOMO PAIRING IF ONLY THEY COULD BE FREEEE!" is like - you're calling a show where pretty much every woman and POC and, well, every single person is killed off in a gratuitous and often sexualized manner is negated as long as two (hot, mind you, because hot guys are the only guys allowed to do the nasty) guys are getting it on?

Yes.

Okay.

That is very logical.

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	spawn_of_kong 2013-07-29 07:41 am UTC (link)
	"There is logic in what he said." (Reply to this)(Parent)

badger
2013-07-29 08:46 am UTC (link)

Actually, it's completely illogical, which is why I find it so amusing. I mean, I've been involved in slash fandom from before the internet even existed. I started out writing stories forfanzines back in the day they were made of paper with cardboard covers,circulated through the mail, and you found ads for them in the back of Starlog Magazine. And in all the time I've been slashing couples and writing stories, never ONCE have I suffered from the delusion that actors I slashed were anything but straight guys (usually married with kids) who were acting. And trust me, a lot of the shows I've written for had pretty slashy subtext.

I actually watched Supernatural when it first debuted on TV, and gave it up after a couple of seasons as not being that interesting. That was before they introduced the Angel guy, but I've seen a couple of episodes since, and I'm really not that impressed. The subtext is so far over the top it borders on being offensive. More to the point, the fans seem to have a sense of entitlement that the creators and actors somehow OWE IT TO THEM to make their OTP come true.

We won't even go into the hate directed by the 'fans' towards the actors wives and children. That's a line I would have never crossed even when I was younger and more naive. But then, I was always able to tell the difference between actors playing a part on TV and the reality that when they were off-screen, they had their own lives that likely included wives or girlfriends and kids.

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redcoast
2013-07-29 09:43 am UTC (link)

I think you're mixing up ships. There's very few fans who actually think that the actors who play Dean and Castiel are really sleeping together. Those are two very different sections of a very polarized fandom. In fact, most of the Dean/Castiel shippers hate the Jared/Jensen tinhatters, and most of the Jared/Jensen tinhatters hate the Dean/Castiel shippers as well as Misha Collins and the character of Castiel.

Misha and his wife are openly poly and on that basis I have run into a couple of people who say that it's possible that Misha and Jensen were together. The assumption is that their significant others would have okayed it. So there's a very different vibe to it.

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	themadscientist 2013-07-29 03:02 pm UTC (link)
	....what. Also why would you be so determined to fantasize about Jensen when his wife is Danneel Harris? PRIORITIES PEOPLE. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	redcoast 2013-07-29 03:03 pm UTC (link)
	Which part is confusing you? (It was pretty late when I wrote that last night; I may have misstated something.) (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	themadscientist 2013-07-29 03:11 pm UTC (link)
	I mean I know that there is a considerable part of fandom that likes Jared and Jensen either seriously or as a fandom-created ship but the polyamorous relationship with Misha Collins is kind of new. o.o Should have seen it coming though. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	redcoast 2013-07-29 03:16 pm UTC (link)
	The Jensen/Misha thing is called Cockles. (Well, I didn't name it!) The fandom about melted down the first time Misha used the word deliberately in an interview. There aren't many people who think that they're actually a thing, and those that do aren't militant about it and don't seem to hate the wives. Which is nice! (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	ikabod 2013-07-31 11:49 pm UTC (link)
	You do occasionally run across a rabid Cockles-er (?) and it's usually not the wives they hate but Jared. They loathe Jared. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	redcoast 2013-08-02 05:04 pm UTC (link)
	Oh yeah, like that tumblr/twitter account - gosh, I'm blanking on the name, but she's always writing about how Jensen hates Jared and prefers Misha. I'm 100% sure that's a troll account, though. I know most of the big Cockles shippers and they all have that account blocked. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	ikabod 2013-08-03 05:13 am UTC (link)
	Yeah, you don't see it very often and it could very well simply be a small set of trolls. It's actually kind of funny where they write about how much Jensen looooves hanging out with Misha but has to tolerate stupid Jared. It's like a spoof of the wife-hate you see among the tinhats. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

redcoast
2013-08-03 05:26 am UTC (link)

Kristy Hobbs! That was her name. She was often discussed amongst the tinhatters as a "typical Destiel stan," but everyone in the Destiel fandom was blocking her. That's what made me think she was a troll account: she wasn't upset that she was being rejected by her own group. She just kept trolling.

I couldn't find her account anymore, but I did find these amusing tumblrs whilst searching through my block users list: An anti-Jared pro-Cockles one, and then an anti-Misha one.

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	ikabod 2013-08-03 07:28 pm UTC (link)
	I think I've seen that OhNo one. That one is so over the top that it has to be a troll. No one can be that obliviously stupid, right? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	redcoast 2013-08-03 07:33 pm UTC (link)
	The phrasing/slang used sounds a lot like spn_gossip, or at least LiveJournal ("TPTB," discussion of "pushing" and "forcefeeding" ships, etc.) (Reply to this)(Parent)

themadscientist
2013-07-29 03:09 pm UTC (link)

I finally gave up the ghost of pretending to watch when it became clear that the show was Serious Business and decided to be as angsty and melodramatic as a teenager's diary. But I definitely remember that the writers had noticed people liked Castiel and also noticed a lot of attention on him having HoYay with Dean and proceeded to play up that aspect in a nudge-nudge-wink-wink way. (And god forbid you even suggest toning him down from a regular because HE IS PART OF THE SHOW AND SO IMPORTANT)
So in some ways I can get why the ship exists in the first place, but not why they think it's canon and OWED TO THEM when it's so blatantly "we know you like us teasing so we'll keep teasing hahahaha j/k no homo" It's all a very strange circle-jerk and one reason why I hate when writers and producers involve the fans in their work somehow.

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	redcoast 2013-07-29 03:11 pm UTC (link)
	So in some ways I can get why the ship exists in the first place, but not why they think it's canon You'd understand that if you watched the show. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	themadscientist 2013-07-29 03:14 pm UTC (link)
	oh I have. But - I guess it's so over the top and forced that it's so obviously fanservice? As in "Yeah we know you like it so here you go but just go off in your little corner of the playroom and don't bother the adults anymore with your toys." (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	redcoast 2013-08-02 05:10 pm UTC (link)
	I'm intrigued - do you think you have this reaction in part because it's a male/male ship? I think there's a generational influence involved here. Teenagers (people who were born in the late 90s) seem to view it not as ship-teasing, but as foreshadowing. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	badger 2013-07-30 02:18 am UTC (link)
	Perhaps the writers and the stars just enjoy working people into a perpetual frenzy? I get the impression Misha does. But yeah, it's the whole IT'S CANNON AND YOU OWE IT TO US!!!!111 I can't understand. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	badger 2013-07-30 02:19 am UTC (link)
	Perhaps the writers and the stars just enjoy working people into a perpetual frenzy? I get the impression Misha does. But yeah, it's the whole IT'S CANNON AND YOU OWE IT TO US!!!!111 I can't understand. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

redcoast
2013-07-30 02:40 am UTC (link)

The thinking is that if they don't commit and make it canon, all the would-have-been foreshadowing becomes queerbaiting. (In the link I used when for Misha supporting Dean/Cas shipping, this one, Misha denies that they're queerbaiting, then admits that he doesn't really know what the term means, but he doesn't think it's "accurate." Like a lot of things Misha says, it's a bit confusing, but there were several fans who were not happy at all with what he said there.)

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	themadscientist 2013-07-31 12:20 am UTC (link)
	Oh I absolutely think SPN loves to do some queerbaiting Which is because they know the fans like it Which the fans like because the show engages in queerbaiting Which is because they know the fans like it Which is a looong way of saying THE CIRCLE OF WAAANK (Reply to this)(Parent)

	badger 2013-07-30 02:22 am UTC (link)
	Perhaps the writers and the stars just enjoy working people into a perpetual frenzy? I get the impression Misha does. But yeah, it's the whole IT'S CANNON AND YOU OWE IT TO US!!!!111 I can't understand. I've been writing slash for years, and I never particularly cared if the PTB considered it cannon. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	vzg 2013-08-01 07:46 am UTC (link)
	I can get the frustration over queerbaiting, but it's also the show where they deliberately and canonically recognize incest shippers and said "ew." Why would you expect them to deliver other news now? (Reply to this)(Parent)

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