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themadscientist ([info]themadscientist) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2013-08-27 21:12:00
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Entry tags:fandom: mortal instruments, person: cassie clare, reviews

Cassandra Clare and the Panned Picture
When we last left out heroine she was leafing some thorny mahogany pickle to her partner-in-crime to go to her big movie premiere.

Well the first of the Mortal Instrument movies is out, ladies and gents!

While not doing terribly bad (Sony had nothing to lose apparently), it didn't exactly shine either taking in only $9 million through the weekend and $14 million at the moment.

So Cassie Claire, er, Clare, has had to do a wee bit of backpedaling.
Covered here but the important tweets are at the bottom.

You see, she didn't really have any control over the film and so if it bombs, it's the movie producer's fault. Nope, zero input on the whole dealio.

Will there be a sequel, given the budget versus the income? Will it matter? Who knows. Expect to see the Mortal Instruments t-shirts next month at your local Hot Topic and see Cassie Clare in her next adventure, Dancing With Wool!

(It could be wood again. Or Woof? Woozie? Dancing With Who?)


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[info]lil_miss_stfu
2013-08-29 01:44 am UTC (link)
Very different books with very different target demographics. Still, one can hope that whoever's backing FSOG (don't know, don't really care) is pausing for thought since both are derived from fanfic backgrounds.

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[info]kita0610
2013-08-29 01:48 am UTC (link)
Technically, Naomi Novik's stuff was fanfic once upon a time too. I think the difference is you know, actual writing skill. There's also the fact that by all accounts CC and EL James seem to be despicable people. (OTOH, that might be a trait which only helps them out in fame-circles.)

I still have a hard time trying to understand how that SoG stuff could even be MADE into a movie. What the hell is there that translates? JUST LET ME WATCH GOOD PORN.

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[info]varethane
2013-08-29 06:20 am UTC (link)
Technically, Naomi Novik's stuff was fanfic once upon a time too

Having started reading the Temeraire series about a year ago (and immediately becoming obsessed)-- really? :O What was it fanfiction of?

I ask out of curiosity, not that it will in any way dim my love of the books or respect for her as a writer-- I know Lois McMaster Bujold (another favourite of mine) started off writing Star Trek fanfiction. I just have trouble guessing on my own.

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[info]kita0610
2013-08-29 07:13 am UTC (link)
Her writing is awesome, although I haven't read the novels bc the genre she chose isn't my thing. My son is a HUGE fan of her series though, and my understanding is that it's basically Master and Commander with dragons. Someone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

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[info]sgaana
2013-08-30 01:52 am UTC (link)
As far as I know... Temeraire grew out of her love of Master and Commander, but it wasn't ever previously put online as a fanfic for a "Master and Commander AU with Dragons" that she filed the serial numbers off in order to publish.

50 Shades, also AFAIK, was literally a very-AU of Edward and Bella, that the author did a name search/replace on and a small amount of additional editing perhaps to remove the last traces of Twilight from it.

(Does anyone know/remember if it was actually a fic posted online that she yanked? I had the impression that it was, but I don't remember clearly, not having been in that fandom.)

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[info]kita0610
2013-08-30 01:55 am UTC (link)
I'm 99% sure SoG was online, yeah.

Thanks for the clarification re NN. I'm not actually of the opinion that filing serial numbers off fanfic is a bad thing, although obviously YMMV.

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[info]sgaana
2013-08-31 06:37 am UTC (link)
Oh, no -- to clarify, by itself, I don't think repurposing a fic (or something with fic-like elements) as original is a bad thing. I don't think it's at all the same thing as plagiarism, either. I think it's all in the execution.

(One of my favorite fantasy writers at the moment is Martha Wells, and several of her books feature characters who are carefully-serial-number-filed-off versions of some of her media favorites about whom she wrote fanfic. Which is a different level of the same sort of thing. It doesn't bother me at all; I think her work is good enough to stand on its own, not least because I appreciated the characters even though I wasn't really that knowledgeable about their sources.)

So yeah, it wouldn't bother me if NN's Temeraire books had started as a fanfic. (I quite enjoyed the first few, but just haven't gotten around to reading more of the series.) I was just wanting to give the factual correction, there, that they didn't develop by quite the same mechanism. I don't even think that Lawrence is specifically meant to be based on Jack Aubrey or anybody from Hornblower or anything. I think she was just a fan of those Age of Sail series, and that got reflected in the flavor of the world.

It's just that, in the case of 50 Shades, everything I've heard of it, and the few excerpts I've read, make it seem like the execution is bad bad bad, with a side of supremely bad, and a chaser of "irresponsible depiction of BDSM that unwitting readers appear to be accepting at face value" uckiness.

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[info]kita0610
2013-08-31 06:43 am UTC (link)
I've heard the same about 50S. At first I was like, oh come on, don't tell me women can't tell the difference between fantasy and reality in porn, bc that is crap. But apparently, many of the book's readers indeed cannot. She's depicting an abusive relationship, full stop. And it's being held up as some kind of swoon-worthy D/s arrangement, which makes me sad.

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[info]white_serpent
2013-08-30 02:07 am UTC (link)
Yes, it's SnowQueensIceDragon's (or some such; we wrote it SQID, which is the only reason I can come close) "Master of the Universe."

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[info]sgaana
2013-08-31 06:37 am UTC (link)
Ah, right! It's all coming back. (How could I forget a name like SQID?)

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[info]esclaramonde
2013-08-30 01:21 am UTC (link)
I'm pretty sure that Novik only got started in fic - she was writing a lot of Master and Commander stuff, and her books grew out of that interest as a separate thing. They weren't a dragon AU that she filed the serial numbers off.

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[info]kita0610
2013-08-30 01:56 am UTC (link)
Thanks for the clarification. Like I said above, I don't feel like it's a sin to write great fic, file the numbers off and get published in the first place, but obvs. not all of fandom agrees.

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[info]ekaterinv
2013-08-30 08:49 pm UTC (link)
I don't have any problems with someone changing fanfic to original fic. With, for example, 50 Shades, the "fanfic" was so different from the source material that filing serial numbers off was all that was needed. (It's still shit, but not because it's fanfic.) Lois McMaster Bujold is one of my favorite authors and she started with Star Trek fanfic that she changed to something else. But that's the important part: she changed it. She was inspired by another source, and if you know that you can see where it came from, but she used that inspiration to make her own characters, plot, and setting.

Cassandra Claire's a different matter. She pulled all these plot elements and characters from different places and threw them together in a weird mishmash. All she did was file the serial numbers off, but she didn't make anything of her own. Her fanfic was like this too, from what I can gather. And I don't think the excerpts I've seen from her fic that are not plagiarized from Pamela Dean are well-written anyway.

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[info]kita0610
2013-08-30 09:39 pm UTC (link)
I knew her fanfic was stolen from a million sources. I just .... kind of assumed at least her "original" stuff was, uh, more original? It boggles me how someone could get away with that in the first place, let alone get a movie made from it. Then again, the entire phenomenon of lousy writing being rewarded with millions of sales (not to mention dollars) also boggles me so clearly I am missing something.

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[info]agent_hyatt
2013-08-31 12:33 am UTC (link)
Her original stuff wouldn't be different, because CC got her reputation of being a witty writer mostly because of references to funnier canons. Her original works probably do the same, just more stealthily. Her fans wanted her "aesthetic", which is Harry Potter crossed with Buffy, and that's what TMI is.

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[info]kita0610
2013-08-31 12:37 am UTC (link)
Someone once did a side by side comparison of her fanfic vs canons she lifted from. I wonder if anyone has done similar with her published books. I would LOVE to see that.

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[info]nevadafighter
2013-08-31 02:23 am UTC (link)
If someone offered me a small honorarium I'd do it.

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[info]cinnamonical
2013-08-31 03:48 am UTC (link)
It boggles me how someone could get away with that in the first place, let alone get a movie made from it.

I was boggled too, but at least one article/post has pointed out that she's long had Hollywood connections, so I'm thinking that combined with a clearly enthusiastic fanbase must have convinced people that moviefying TMI would be a surefire win.

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[info]kita0610
2013-08-31 06:58 am UTC (link)
Ah, connections. Too bad I suck at shmoozing. And tact. And usually dislike people. OTOH, she doesn't seem all that fucking charming either and she managed somehow.

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[info]cinnamonical
2013-08-31 07:28 am UTC (link)
It's in the family, too! This article says her maternal grandfather was a veteran film producer, while she apparently got her professional start in writing in the 1990s working for The Hollywood Reporter as an editorial assistant.

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[info]ekaterinv
2013-08-31 06:28 pm UTC (link)
Ah, I see my problem. I've been trying to write original stuff that's not shitty. I should have been ripping other authors off and schmoozing.

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[info]ekaterinv
2013-08-29 05:33 pm UTC (link)
TMI is especially popular among middle-aged married women?

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