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	jedi_miki 2013-08-30 10:21 pm UTC (link)
	Interesting how Lindsay doesn't acknowledge CC's involvement with the movie... at all. I'm not saying CC is entirely to blame for the movie flopping, but you can't pin it entirely on Zwart and the idea of "what men think stupid YA consuming girls want" either. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

arjumand
2013-08-31 12:19 am UTC (link)

Yes, on the one hand it's "the book wasn't that great," and then on the other it's "the horrid menz don't know what girls want." I put it to Lindsey that the evil suits DO know what teen girls want, as the Twilight franchise has become a licence to print money, and only a small part is Meyer's actual writing. Having tried to read the source text (LOL) and watched the Rifftrax of the movies, I can assert that the movies, terrible as they are, actually improve on the books. Characters have a teensy bit more motivation, things happen for a bit of a reason, etc. The reason this didn't happen with TMI, is that there was nothing to salvage.

Once again I ask myself, what is this magical power CC has over people, that they give her such an out over everything? I mean, it's not like she wrote a book which, like her fanfic, was just a cobbled together mishmash of various tropes and wish-fulfilment fantasies . . . oh, wait. I feel Lindsay has kind of misrepresented the whole plagiarist thing, with "it's only fanfic". Fic writers take plagiarism just as seriously as pro writers, ta very much. What if someone took her entire video transcript, made it into a review, and passed it off as their own? I guess, by her argument, that wouldn't matter, as it's only an online review.

I also take issue with Lindsay's comment about a certain beloved female character (see icon). Don't go there, girl.

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	kita0610 2013-08-31 12:39 am UTC (link)
	Welp, now I know not to watch this review. Thanks for that. :) (Reply to this)(Parent)

	esclaramonde 2013-08-31 01:29 am UTC (link)
	Oh gosh. Well, I definitely can't watch it now! "It's only fanfic" wrt plagiarism is a complete dealbreaker for me (but in fairness I wasn't a big fan of hers before). (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	dunmurderin 2013-08-31 05:15 am UTC (link)
	I took it to be more of 'This is a thing that happened but it's not what I'm here to talk about since I want to focus on the adaptation of the work from one medium to another.' (Reply to this)(Parent)

	iczer6 2013-08-31 02:33 am UTC (link)
	Yeah I was bothered by the whole 'it happened years ago and therefore no longer matters' attitude. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

ashenmote
2013-08-31 10:08 am UTC (link)

Well, there were other plagiarists around back then, but I don't remember anything about them now, and I bet I would be in team "Yeah, but that was twelve years ago" for most of them if I found out now.

When I still remember CC it's because of the way she harassed her accusers. And because you couldn't talk about it anywhere without her ridiculous lawyer buddy and their legion of fanpoodles descending on the threads. And the whole cleaning up the evidence thing. And well, see Bad Penny for everything else.

That's what put CC in the "Yeah, that was twelve years ago. I remember it well. What an asshole. I hope she has a horrible life" territory, for me.

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	iczer6 2013-08-31 10:13 am UTC (link)
	I think that's a big part of it. That maybe it wasn't so much the plagiarism as it was the lengths she went to justify, ignore, and hide the it. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

cinnamonical
2013-08-31 11:51 pm UTC (link)

Agreed. I wouldn't be side-eyeing her original work and the trajectory of her writing career so much if, back in the day, she had properly owned up to the plagiarism and then proceeded to never do it (and the related cyberbullying) again. I might still be like "wow, this is so derivative" when reading her books, but I wouldn't be as inclined to want to tell people to stay away from her completely.

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	iczer6 2013-09-01 12:08 am UTC (link)
	Yeah. I can't help but think so much drama could've been avoided if she just said 'I'm sorry. I really liked the author's work and wanted to include it in my fic. I didn't realize I was taking so much'. (Reply to this)(Parent)

jedi_miki
2013-08-31 06:37 am UTC (link)

Yeah, the "it's only fanfic/plagiarism!" attitude was a dealbreaker for me too. That and how she flipflopped on how bad/good/decent TMI is. It makes me wonder if Lindsay's only read CoB, from the sound of how she spoke of it.

Also the comment about how "CC is mean and needs to die". Something tells me that she either doesn't know the full story or doesn't care, and I'm inclined to believe the latter. Psh, plagiarism and online bulling are SO no biggies!

Then again, I'm not sure what I was expecting. Lindsay's pretty much turned her NChick routine into a soap box, and while I know it's her show and she can do whatever the hell she wants, I don't find it entertaining, certainly not in instances like this where she makes such unusual statements concerning most of our problems with CC.

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	agent_hyatt 2013-08-31 09:35 am UTC (link)
	Nah, for the true CC experience, someone needs to take the most memorable part of her video, put it in their own with a disclaimer of "This was inspired by someone else's video review; alas, I know longer remember whose", and pepper the "original" portions of their vid with memes from all over the internet. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	msilverstar 2013-12-02 06:58 am UTC (link)
	Oh, snap! (Reply to this)(Parent)

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