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it looks like redcoats, but it isn't ([info]redcoast) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2013-10-23 17:51:00
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Entry tags:fandom: supernatural

"Damon Lindelof was right"
So Castiel had sex with a lady in the last episode of Supernatural, and the fandom lost its mind, which is predictable ... but it lost its collective mind at at WB exec who had apparently just signed up for Twitter. The Fandom DeBunker (sort of like Snopes for the SPN fandom and widely appreciated as impartial) has some screencaps, unfortunately out of order, but you can get the idea. In short, upon being prodded by fans, Chad Kennedy said that it wasn't their intention for Castiel and Dean Winchester to be bi. Kennedy then valiantly took arms against a sea of troubles before ominously tweeting "Damon Lindelof was right" (which I suppose is a reference to this) and bahleeting his Twitter account.

To be clear, nobody is really certain what this guy's role at WB is, what his involvement in the show is, and nobody knew who the hell he was until like ten days ago.

Another fan has the same Twitter screencaps with helpful commentary: "The writers are fuck cowards right now. They know what they did. And they know what they started."

One tumblr user with the screenname Octoswan is not only a SPN fan, but also a housemate of Osric Chau, a young talented actor who works on Supernatural. She writes, "Haha so it’s pretty clear that Chad Kennedy doesn’t know what he’s talking about. Poor guy walked into the belly of the beast and poked the bear with a big pointy stick. He said some dumb, uninformed things about a sensitive subject in a fandom he’s admitted to only just becoming aware of. Methinks he didn’t get the memo. Totally his fault for not doing his homework, but gosh, what a silly gaffe! //sigh" And then suggests that fandom go listen to some nice music or read a good book.

Octoswan texts Osric Chau about the kerfuffle, and he writes a note on Twitlonger trying to help fans feel better, including bits about puppies, kittens, and hot chocolate. It appears to work. Writer Adam Glass also takes to Twitter to remind people that Chad Kennedy doesn't actually write the show, and then he adds a hint: "If u asks @PaulMcCartney what does a song he wrote mean, he'd tell you he had some ideas but would be more interested in what you think. BTW."


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[info]seiberwing
2013-10-24 05:07 pm UTC (link)
I literally couldn’t even be on tumblr. I’m like JUST now getting on at fucking 5am I literally cried, sobbed, talked to my friend, drank, had people over and drank, cried some more like talked to Shayla on the phone for an hour, distracted myself for hours avoiding facing the reality of this shit. I literally don’t know what to do. How to move forward. I was so unprepared for this. Ugh. It makes me sick to think about it.


I am going to start a charity to go to SPN fans' houses, stuff them into a van, and drive them to food pantries or other volunteering institutions in order to give them 1. a sense of perspective and 2. the realization that there are more valuable things in the world than a goddamn TV show.

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[info]ashes
2013-10-24 05:47 pm UTC (link)
I... what? Shit, I didn't respond that emotionally when I was getting divorced.

I mean, I get having an emotional investment in a show, but goddamn kids.

I'll donate to your charity's Kickstarter.

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[info]seiberwing
2013-10-24 07:05 pm UTC (link)
Why are comments not being delivered to my inbox.

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[info]seiberwing
2013-10-24 07:06 pm UTC (link)
Just.

"The reality of this shit."

FICTIONAL CHARACTERS YO.

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[info]sisterelwood
2013-10-25 03:14 am UTC (link)
I had the same reaction when I read that comment. I understand being upset about a show but wow - perspective is a nice thing.

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[info]sepiamagpie
2013-10-24 05:56 pm UTC (link)
I disagree with the use of the homeless as object lessons.

Let's just leave them to fend for themselves in the woods.

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[info]phosfate
2013-10-24 05:58 pm UTC (link)
The SPN fans, not the homeless. The homeless have enough shit to deal with.

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[info]sepiamagpie
2013-10-24 06:02 pm UTC (link)
Let's just keep them separated. We're not monsters.

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[info]tunxeh
2013-10-25 05:03 am UTC (link)
Well, technically we are.

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[info]seiberwing
2013-10-25 05:28 pm UTC (link)
I thought we were hyenas.

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(no subject) - [info]tunxeh, 2013-10-25 07:37 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]white_serpent, 2013-10-25 09:09 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]spawn_of_kong, 2013-10-25 10:14 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]white_serpent, 2013-10-25 10:43 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]bienegold, 2013-10-25 11:53 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]full_metal_ox, 2013-10-26 12:59 am UTC
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[info]seiberwing
2013-10-24 07:04 pm UTC (link)
Not the homeless as object lessons, the idea that there are more fulfilling things in life than complaining about your ship. I would also include art, tea, and photographing one's cats.

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[info]ekaterinv
2013-10-24 08:08 pm UTC (link)
Leaving them to fend for themselves in the woods is a much kinder solution than mine. Mine involves a sock. And a brick.

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[info]ikabod
2013-10-24 09:07 pm UTC (link)
I literally couldn’t even be on tumblr. I’m like JUST now getting on at fucking 5am I literally cried, sobbed, talked to my friend, drank, had people over and drank, cried some more like talked to Shayla on the phone for an hour, distracted myself for hours avoiding facing the reality of this shit. I literally don’t know what to do. How to move forward. I was so unprepared for this. Ugh. It makes me sick to think about it.

I'll take "Over-investment" for $200 Alex.

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[info]brennalarose
2013-10-24 11:55 pm UTC (link)
I will admit, there are a couple fandoms that I am that over-invested in. But, then, my cat comes and headbutts my elbow, and I remember that, at the end of the day, it's a show/movie/book/comic, I have bigger shit to deal with. Like paychecks and a cat that wants it's tail pulled and petted right the hell now.

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[info]rosehiptea
2013-10-25 06:09 am UTC (link)
To be honest I remember getting really upset over a certain manga character, kind of like this woman only I don't drink. Though my marriage was falling apart at the same time so I think that was most of what was going on.

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[info]seiberwing
2013-10-25 05:28 pm UTC (link)
Nah, I get you. I once had to excuse myself from an RP game because I wound up in a sobbing fit over the other (evil robot) characters being oh so mean to my character, and then realized I probably shouldn't inflict the RP upon myself, or my issues upon the other players. Depression doesn't give you the greatest sense of proportion.

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[info]rosehiptea
2013-10-26 12:00 am UTC (link)
I stopped RPing altogether for very similar reasons. I just got too emotionally involved in it.

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[info]franzen
2013-10-25 05:49 pm UTC (link)
I think a lot of people have been "overly invested" during various points in their lives -- hell, I was attached to Ender's Game while being violently bullied on the grounds that, even though we were all too young to really be dating, I was a lesbian and that's contagious -- but... even when that book seemed to tap into something I was going through, I still knew it wasn't great literature; it was just a book that hit me at a certain point, but that didn't make its flaws invisible.

There's nothing wrong with seeing yourself in a work or being invested in fandom, but it's the soap opera hysterics and inability to admit that, at the end of the day, SPN is not a cultural milestone or anything but a surprising cashcow and that parties involved are freaking out over ... a plot that was spoiled months ago but fandom was in denial about? -- that's what takes this to the absurd.

I was devastated after finishing Persona 3 FES (even though I think that game is perfect) but... there are people who know why that game would hit me like that at this point in my life, plus my life is limited because of a disabling illness and that game kept me going. Over investment? I don't know. Possibly? It's when the "legitimate, if personal, reaction to a work" gets buried under "fandom hysteria at stupid shit" that things cross the line for me and "over investment" is as good a term as any.

The problem, I think, is that while you named an example of being (maybe) "over-invested" in a manga, SPN fandom is over-invested in their fake canon that will never come true and is full of problems, but OMG IT WOULD BE REVOLUTIONARY SJ TV... which is where the cognitive dissonance and "HOW ABOUT NO" sets in, wank-wise.

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[info]rosehiptea
2013-10-25 11:58 pm UTC (link)
I loved Persona 3 too, actually, so I hear what you're saying.

And yeah, I agree that in this particular case people should know better, because they knew this plot point was going to happen and they also know the writers of the show aren't going to make their ship canon and don't see it the way they do. So it does seem pretty bizarre to act blindsided by this.

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(no subject) - [info]ekaterinv, 2013-10-26 06:28 am UTC
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[info]eilisliana
2013-10-24 10:43 pm UTC (link)
I've bawled like a baby when companions leave Doctor Who, for about 20 minutes. Granted I do have some emotional investment otherwise it wouldn't affect me that way but still it *is* just a show.

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[info]redcoast
2013-10-25 02:04 am UTC (link)
Weird coincidence: I was actually working on a project to get SPN fans to volunteer at homeless shelters. The last episode featured Castiel being homeless, and Misha himself was homeless for some time as a kid, and I figured that work as a kind of fandom tie-in. (Personally, I think one of the biggest problems in the U.S. right now is lack of compassion for the homeless, especially those with mental health problems, and I think one of the best antidotes for that is putting a face on problem so that people have something to relate to ... I digress ...)

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[info]brennalarose
2013-10-25 02:53 am UTC (link)
Having been in that situation, thank you for this.

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[info]seiberwing
2013-10-25 04:56 am UTC (link)
See, now that is a productive use of Supernatural. I hope you get it going.

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[info]mcity
2013-10-31 03:49 am UTC (link)
I really, really hate it when I want to laugh at someone online and I suddenly realize they need professional mental help.

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[info]redcoast
2013-10-31 05:08 am UTC (link)
Honestly, I was very glad to see Misha talk every down, because I know some of the fans take this shit really seriously.

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