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harumph ([info]harumph) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2013-12-18 00:34:00


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Entry tags:fun times with aja, i am the god of hellfire, internet lawyers, kickstarter

It all started with a Big Bang
NB: This writeup was taken from a very helpful mousie who volunteered to update the original report, I've just updated the HTML.

Our tale begins with the launch of BBP, a publishing house based on a totally new model that no one has ever tried before ever ever ever: Publishing popular fanfic authors' original novels. The first step on this journey is a Kickstarter, set up to fund the first three of these novels. Not the press, mind you, because that would be against Kickstarter TOS; just the novels themselves.

Which goes over fine - the authors involved are Gyzym, Febricant, and Eleveninches, so anticipation runs high - until someone notices the $40,000 price tag and starts to ask questions. The answers are not especially satisfying.

Others begin to dig deeper into the BBP team's backgrounds. Turns out, nobody associated seems to be all that qualified for their gig, most notably their "recovering law-type person," who's experience seems to consist of a year or so of paralegaling it up. This is kind of important, given that BBP's assurance that the novels will be finished is riding on their 'legally-binding contracts.'

Yep, you read that right. The novels aren't complete yet. But they will be!

Further questions are asked. Further answers are not really given. "Details? Noooo, you don't want details, details are boring! Look at the shiny!"

And then there's the part where one of the $500 backer rewards is the completion of a WIP by Gyzym. Meaning fanfic is being offered for straight-up monetary gain here, no charity auction in sight. Which Aja - did I mention the part where Aja is the Submissions Editor for BBP? - then starts a pool for, in the hopes of getting another Inception fic out of all this.

The latest is a twitter campaign on the part of BBP to get exposure through celebrity retweets. So far, they've had success with Orlando Jones, and are now going after Amanda Palmer. Their attempt to go for Maureen Johnson backfires, however.

The authors all post links leading back to the kickstarter in their fanfictions on AO3, breaking the community's restrictions against advertising in fics-- a reporting campaign on FFA begins and the notes are taken down shortly after, but that it was done at all leads Franzeska to make a post denouncing them.

We've got several continuous ffa threads and counting, and a lot of passive-aggressive twittering to contend with, if you're into that kind of thing.

At one point Aja heroically posts unanon on ffa to play the martyr and completely miss the point let everyone know she totally isn't involved with BBP anymore but completely believes in the project.

Some further links of note: some pointed questions directed at Big Bang Press, which are deflected

People with small press experience point out that, among other things, BBP is promising an impossible timeline

Discussion starts on Absolute Write

Big Bang Press continues to deflect questions.

Febricant and Morgan Davis do a podcast, in which they explicitly refer to the fanfiction available in their reward tiers:

"I think the (reward level) we may actually get some traction with is Kady's Work in Progress folder. Which, is like, somewhere between 200 and 300 thousand words' worth of unfinished pieces of fanfiction in a PDF -- with like, annotations, um, of her explaining where the story was going to go. [...] There's a lot of stuff in there, like, massive quantities of stuff. So, um, if you want to give us a lot of money, uh, that (reward level) would be a good option."

Badfic.net questions Big Bang Press: for people concerned about Big Bang Press, Lies Big Bang Press have told Us

[info]sepiamagpie takes one for the team to get a look at the FAQs, which are only available to backers.



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[info]puipui
2013-12-27 07:53 am UTC (link)
did I mention the part where Aja is the Submissions Editor for BBP?

Because of course she is.

At one point Aja heroically posts unanon on ffa

Because of course she does.

I've only just skimmed this, but just offhand, it looks to me like anyone who's donating to this thing would have a better chance of getting something for their money if they just shoved the cash into a bottle, chucked it into the sea, and hoped for it to possibly reach a novelist someday.

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[info]girl_friday
2013-12-31 03:32 am UTC (link)
I met one of the people involved at NYCC (in October) and she told me a little about it. And then she said, "Okay, knowing all that, if you found out Aja was involved, how would that change your opinion?" I told her it made me want to run in the other direction.

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[info]havocthecat
2013-12-27 04:54 pm UTC (link)
They got funded? Oh, my, this is going to be interesting, seeing what happens.

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[info]duraniedrama
2013-12-28 12:45 am UTC (link)
They've been handed fifty thousand dollars to fund the publication of three incomplete novels. One of the authors in question apparently has a reputation for Not Finishing Things.

How could it possibly go wrong?

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[info]phosfate
2013-12-27 06:33 pm UTC (link)
It’s true that the mainstream publishing industry is slowly catching onto the fact that the fanfiction community represents a huge, untapped pool of writing talent. However, most traditional publishers are still a long way from understanding how fandom works, and how to locate the best writers. Everyone at Big Bang Press is familiar with fan culture, and our goal is to find talented fanfiction writers and publish their original fiction to a professional standard.

OH, THANK GOD YOU'VE COME TO HELP.

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[info]argylespy
2013-12-28 04:03 am UTC (link)
Part of me wants to see them succeed if only because of the inevitable "WHY ARE YOU ONLY PUBLISHING BNF'S??????" wank.

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(no subject) - [info]ashes, 2013-12-28 08:03 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]soc_puppet, 2013-12-29 09:33 pm UTC

[info]cinnamonical
2013-12-27 06:54 pm UTC (link)
the FAQs, which are only available to backers

-- WHY.

that's a rhetorical question don't answer that

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[info]neridne
2013-12-27 10:47 pm UTC (link)
I know that there's been a few kickstarters that were successfully funded that ended up not delivering on the rewards promised. Something tells me this will happen here too. Is there a mechanism Kickstarter has put in place to help protect the funders or is it still very much YMMV? I feel really badly for the people who put in money because mocking the excesses of fandom aside, sometimes fandom is such an escape for the fans that it really does turn off that critical side of their brains so I can sorta understand why they believed in the whole 'fueled by unicorn and pixie dust' part of the "business plan" for BBP rather than doing any logical analysis.

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[info]morbid_angel
2013-12-28 05:09 am UTC (link)
Not really. There's a disclaimer on the site once you give money, you are forewarned that the project may not happen. I mean, I got that forewarning when I donated to Alice: Otherlands for example.

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[info]phosfate
2013-12-30 09:40 pm UTC (link)
Never pledge money to Kickstarter that you can't afford to lose. Only one thing I've backed was funded but completely collapsed, but it can happen.

I have no reason to pronounce this project dead in advance, but there are any number of others I'd rather donate to.

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(no subject) - [info]eleutheria, 2013-12-30 10:59 pm UTC

[info]ekaterinv
2013-12-28 05:47 am UTC (link)
the FAQs, which are only available to backers

How very honest and above-board. Yep. The Scientology business plan is absolutely ethical.

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[info]life_on_mars
2013-12-28 05:01 pm UTC (link)
Isn't this just another iteration of the old 'kudos or I won't write any more' thing, where people don't carry on unless they get whatever they consider to be 'sufficient' positive reinforcement? That's always struck me as the literary equivalent of a toddler sitting down on the floor in the supermarket and refusing to move until they get whatever they're demanding, and I don't see how this is any better. If a person isn't writing any given story there's usually a reason for it, and IMHO the reason on the whole is unlikely to be shortage of money.

I think the kindest thing I can say about all this is that it's 'misguided'. I'm not going to say they're crooked in intention, but I definitely don't think they have the first idea of what they're doing - and I feel very sorry for anyone foolish enough to support them because payday, if it ever happens, is likely to be a very long way away.

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[info]nevadafighter
2013-12-28 06:55 pm UTC (link)
I've always felt that that attitude is a sign that the person isn't writing because they love it or because they have to, but because they want attitude and ass pats. I hate to use myself as an example, but I've been working on a huge Supernatural AU that I feel is the best stuff I've written maybe ever, and after 120,000 words I've gotten maybe three people who've given feedback. It gets me down a little sometimes, but I keep writing because even if I never get any more feedback, I'm having a damn good time.

Holding stories/series hostage just makes me want to stop reading them, no matter how good they might be.

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(no subject) - [info]nevadafighter, 2013-12-28 06:57 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ldymusyc, 2013-12-29 04:19 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]metal_dog5, 2014-01-03 04:55 am UTC

[info]cinnamonical
2013-12-28 07:08 pm UTC (link)
The wank takes on new dimensions of brassiness when you put it like that. And like [info]nevadafighter, I too have an allergy to stories taken hostage.

Relatedly, is anyone else reminded of that one wank from ages ago where some author set up PayPal donations for readers to pay her so she could quit her part-time job and finish her massive Buffy WIP? I think I might be getting some of the details wrong, but surely this has to sound familiar to someone.

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(no subject) - [info]duraniedrama, 2013-12-28 09:00 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]cinnamonical, 2013-12-28 11:13 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]life_on_mars, 2014-01-02 03:57 pm UTC

[info]thoms
2013-12-29 06:49 am UTC (link)
Oh, Aja.

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[info]puipui
2013-12-30 10:34 am UTC (link)
Sometimes that's really the only thing you can say, isn't it? Oh, Aja.

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(no subject) - [info]kumquat_of_doom, 2013-12-31 12:23 pm UTC

[info]luthe
2013-12-29 10:41 pm UTC (link)
And then there's the part where one of the $500 backer rewards is the completion of a WIP by Gyzym. Meaning fanfic is being offered for straight-up monetary gain here, no charity auction in sight

Does anyone else remember the Good Ol' Days(tm) when every fic had a clever disclaimer about how no money was made but the author would love to bang the characters? Because this past year or two I've seen more and more authors taking "commissions" which is just ultra-sketch to me.

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[info]khym_chanur
2013-12-31 04:21 am UTC (link)
Does anyone else remember the Good Ol' Days(tm) when every fic had a clever disclaimer about how no money was made but the author would love to bang the characters?

I don't remember any fanfic disclaimers like that. Maybe I just got lucky.

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[info]saithey
2013-12-31 05:56 am UTC (link)
It was either that, or desperate (usually desperately trying to be humorous) pleas to the powers that be not to sue. "I'm not making any money off of this 300 word story about Cid Highwind watching the Dukes of Hazard, I swear!" You don't say.

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(no subject) - [info]solelyfictional, 2013-12-31 12:28 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]duraniedrama, 2013-12-31 01:44 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]phosfate, 2013-12-31 03:00 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]jaseroque, 2014-01-01 02:53 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]phosfate, 2014-01-06 04:49 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]jaseroque, 2014-01-07 02:52 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]seiberwing, 2014-01-02 08:09 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]phosfate, 2014-01-06 04:50 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]annepackrat, 2014-01-08 07:33 am UTC

[info]msmanna
2013-12-30 07:58 pm UTC (link)
$50,000? What the hell are they doing, hand-inscribing the novels in gold ink on vellum made from the hides of baby unicorns?

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[info]bienegold
2013-12-31 07:35 am UTC (link)
Suddenly the cost of a laptop doesn't look so bad.

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(no subject) - [info]bolboreta, 2013-12-31 05:11 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]taterbird, 2014-01-01 08:14 pm UTC

[info]thebratqueen
2014-01-02 04:17 pm UTC (link)
I think we're missing out on a golden money-making opportunity here.

Namely that of starting a betting pool on how many of these novels will ever see the light of day.

(I've got a tenner on one of them being apologetically posted to backers, half-finished, in late 2015).

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(no subject) - [info]kumquat_of_doom, 2014-01-10 12:32 am UTC

[info]deliciouschaos
2014-01-03 02:41 pm UTC (link)
What is going on in that FAQ, I don't even. "Here is a picture of a softcover book with fancy deckled edges, which we may or may not have because all books will be printed to match the authors' tastes. 'We plan on having them printed by a real printer, not by a self-publishing firm (because they are sometimes kind of...not good) or print-on-demand service.'"

what is going on in this here location

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(no subject) - [info]bigbigtruck, 2014-01-03 03:17 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]white_tean, 2014-01-04 06:17 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]phosfate, 2014-01-06 04:54 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]white_tean, 2014-01-08 09:32 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]neridne, 2014-01-07 10:10 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]white_tean, 2014-01-08 09:23 am UTC

[info]jkefka
2014-01-04 04:18 am UTC (link)
This is going to be a gift that keeps on giving. Now that the money has changed hands we need but wait for the wank to mature and grow ripe as communication fails, backers begin to wonder when they will see their rewards, and their odd strategy of waiting until after offering fanfic as kickstarter backer rewards to get a lawyer is put into practice. I can see that conversation now.

"You did what?! You gave them what?! For what?!"

It will be like a fine old whiskey once it comes of age, and I will savor a fine old whiskey when it comes time to read it.

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(no subject) - [info]havocthecat, 2014-01-07 06:55 pm UTC

[info]annepackrat
2014-01-08 07:32 am UTC (link)
They don't have a marketing plan yet? Maybe they should buy some bus ads in LA. I know someone who can help them with that.

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