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Sep (lord of all I survey) ([info]sepiamagpie) wrote in [info]fandom_wank,
@ 2014-08-04 04:17:00


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Entry tags:at least no one's knotting, bitter so bitter, boo hoo, censorship, crazy people, entitlement, fan rage, fandom: sailor moon, flouncing, i don't know my rights, let's all get along, misplaced anger, persecution, ruining your childhood, she's on a mission guys!, sub vs. dub, suck it up and deal, taking it too seriously, the gay is canon, think of the fictional children

In the name of the Moon, I will boycott you
Nangbaby is boycotting Sailor Moon for crimes against humanity wait, wait, no, sorry, that was me listening to the language, not the message. Sorry, Viz is doing a redub with the cast's original names.

To quote Nangbaby so I don't misrepresent her:

I promised that I would leave the fandom if this happened and I will. As much as I would like to make it an immediate exit, please note that I have spent a significant chunk of my life loving Serena as Sailor Moon, Alan, Ann, Lita, Game Machine Man, Bertie, and Malachite (just like the sword in Ogre Battle). Forgive the dramatic death throes.

For those of you who think I’m overreacting, let me make this clear. Viz has essentially announced that the Sailor Moon loved by millions, the girl named Serena whose opening theme proclaims she fights evil by moonlight and wins love by daylight. is no more. She has been erased from continuity Sonja Belmont-style.



Now, I grew up with Sailor Moon like any red-blooded nineties Canadian, but I'm not sure quite sure what she's getting at. But she goes on to say:

Now imagine if George Lucas has in addition to making those changes, stated Chewbacca was actually canonically a lesbian and changed the scenes to make that very obvious, as well as claimed the Jedi’s goal was to oversee the development of humanity according to the Force and lead them into the light through taking over the Empire.


Now, this may have unfortunate implications with the fact the redub re-adds two original canon gay couples, but I'm also pretty sure Lucas did that anyway and we just moved on.

I mean, we all remember the makeout scene after Leia says she'd rather kiss a Wookie, right? And the interview with Chewbacca's new dub voice, Tilda Swinton, where she says she's proud to play Chewbacca as he was always meant to be - a proud queer woman covered head to toe in fur. She even did the interview in the Chewbacca costume, despite her height and the fact she actually did the whole role from a recording booth.

Sorry, I've deviated.

She knows who to blame, and she's darn well gonna do it.

As a normal person*, I have no powers against this blatant disenfranchisement and marginalization except that of my limited wallet, and I will say this. From this day forward I will not pay for an official piece of Sailor Moon material released from this date forward. I am boycotting Sailor Moon for the actions of Naoko Takeuchi — make no mistake Viz and Toei Animation are culpable as well, but in their defense, they are transparent in that they make the real culprit clear — the woman who authored the manga that inspired the anime and now has taken over the inspired creation.


She understands it's going to be a hard path, but she will face that path. And she's doing it because god help you if you call Sailor Moon Usagi.

I know my action alone is meaningless, but I encourage others to not pay and not give anything official any more time. It’s not enough to complain. We have to take the power away from them that we gave them to redress this wrong.

Sailor Moon CX will no longer update. As much as I would love to finish the story in a “Take That” no one reads it and no one cares, so I am abandoning it. I won’t burden people with my presence much longer.


To conclude, Viz is a monster, Naoko Takeuchi is a monster, and she's not posting her fanfic anymore.

Also there's a site!

The post concludes:

Edit: I’m back.


*blatant lie


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[info]iczer6
2014-08-04 09:42 am UTC (link)
Yes how dare the original author who created the series have a say in the TV show!

So who else is watching the new Sailor Moon Crystal series?

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[info]sepiamagpie
2014-08-04 10:14 am UTC (link)
She's a true fiend. She's just coasting on the cartoon's popularity, you know. Stealing their rightful fame.

I WANT to, but haven't had the chance. My internet's been so shit I can't get at the sites with it and when I do have a choice of what to grab, it's Murdoch Mysteries because papa needs his Canadian Victorian murder because he's turning into his grandmother.

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(no subject) - [info]iczer6, 2014-08-04 10:44 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]rosehiptea, 2014-08-04 05:13 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sepiamagpie, 2014-08-05 02:45 am UTC
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[info]ymfaery
2014-08-05 02:08 am UTC (link)
Haven't had the time to look it up.

Also, I had no problems with the character designs in the manga, but not sure I'd like them in anime form. The trailer and bits I've seen so far kind of made me think of stretchy limbs like Mr. Fantastic.

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(no subject) - [info]puipui, 2014-08-06 03:49 am UTC
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[info]delcj
2014-08-04 03:28 pm UTC (link)
Heh. The dub I grew up with translated Usagi into Bunny.

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[info]the__ivorytower
2014-08-05 02:55 pm UTC (link)
When I was in high school, a friend and I were buying the french translations of the manga, and Usagi was "Bunni" and Chibi-Usa was "Mini-Bunni".

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[info]staroverthebay
2014-08-06 11:53 pm UTC (link)
To be fair, "Serena" isn't a bad localization; her future self as the Moon Queen is named Serenity, after all, IIRC.

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[info]lady7jane
2014-08-04 03:48 pm UTC (link)
Now, this may have unfortunate implications with the fact the redub re-adds two original canon gay couples

I've never seen Sailor Moon, but this is my favorite story I've heard about it (from wikipedia):

In an effort to avoid the controversy that a lesbian character in a cartoon aimed towards a younger audience would cause, given the contemporary social mores in the United States, the dub also states that Amara (Haruka) and Michelle (Michiru Kaioh) are cousins—even going so far as to occasionally state this through characters who should not know such information. However, whether in an attempt to be more faithful to the original Japanese or through sheer failure to edit consistently, several episodes of the English dub retain a noticeable amount of their casual flirting. Due to the censorship and problematic dubbing, some viewers of the English dubs inferred not only a homosexual relationship between the two girls, but also an incestuous one.

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[info]hopsandbarley
2014-08-05 10:22 pm UTC (link)
According to Nangbaby, homosexuality has way more unfortunate implications than incest! :V

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[info]ymfaery
2014-08-04 07:31 pm UTC (link)
..wait, so they didn't even stay away for that long? :

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(no subject) - [info]cmdr_zoom, 2014-08-05 01:43 am UTC
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[info]anarchicq
2014-08-04 08:36 pm UTC (link)
So, fun story:
When my nephew was ...I don't know...five? A bunch of my friends and I went as the senshi and he was our little Tuxedo Mask, so he really, really grew up with the show.

He's been watching the new series with me. He just found out this weekend Zoicite is male.

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(no subject) - [info]yoritomo_reiko, 2014-08-05 07:08 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sepiamagpie, 2014-08-05 07:09 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]anarchicq, 2014-08-05 07:10 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]hopsandbarley, 2014-08-05 10:18 pm UTC

[info]piasharn
2014-08-04 11:24 pm UTC (link)
Oh, geez, I remember Nangbaby. She finally got herself permabanned from the Sailor Moon Forum after a long time of causing wank. She just can't seem to let go of the old dub and seems to be in complete denial of the fact that the original Japanese version is... well... the original.

Looking through her Tumblr is just confusing the hell out of me since I can't make heads or tails of her "logic" half the time. Oh, and apparently redubbing the series is just as bad as European settlers slaughtering Native Americans? And the new dub is going to magically make everyone forget about the old DiC dub?

I think I need a drink.

For anyone who hasn't read about it yet, Viz has released the names of the actors for the main characters. For the link-phobic:

Usagi Tsukino / Sailor Moon – Stephanie Sheh
Ami Mizuno / Sailor Mercury – Kate Higgins
Rei Hino / Sailor Mars – Christina Vee
Makoto Kino / Sailor Jupiter – Amanda Miller
Minako Aino / Sailor Venus – Cherami Leigh
Mamoru Chiba / Tuxedo Mask – Robbie Daymond
Luna – Michelle Ruff
Artemis – Johnny Yong Bosch
Naru Osaka – Danielle Nicole
Gurio Umino – Ben Diskin
Ikuku Tsukino – Tara Platt
Kenji Tsukino – Keith Silverstein
Shingo Tsukino – Nicolas Roye
Queen Beryl – Cindy Robinson
Jadite – Todd Haberkorn
Nephrite – Liam O'Brien
Zoisite – Lucien Dodge
Kunzite – Patrick Seitz

There are also a couple of clips of the new dub up. Sailor Moon's transformation sequence is here, and the scene of Jadeite's final fight with Moon, Mercury, and Mars is here. They're probably region-blocked, though.

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(no subject) - [info]cmdr_zoom, 2014-08-05 01:12 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]tez, 2014-08-06 03:46 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]brennalarose, 2014-08-11 03:47 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]spawn_of_kong, 2014-08-09 01:59 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]jkefka, 2014-08-09 09:32 pm UTC
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[info]luthe
2014-08-05 02:44 am UTC (link)
If Chewbacca is a lesbian, does that mean there will be another Christmas special where she comes out to her family on Life Day?

Just asking, so I know how much booze I'm gonna need...

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(no subject) - [info]sepiamagpie, 2014-08-05 02:47 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]spawn_of_kong, 2014-08-05 02:48 am UTC
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[info]tez
2014-08-05 05:22 am UTC (link)
It's been a while since we saw quality flouncing/deflouncing of this nature.

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[info]white_serpent
2014-08-05 07:39 pm UTC (link)
But will she still be referred to as "meatball head"? What about the "Sailor Moon says" message? Are they removing these as well?

Why are they destroying my childhood college years?

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(no subject) - [info]iczer6, 2014-08-05 09:32 pm UTC
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[info]were_lemur
2014-08-06 02:52 am UTC (link)
Is she laboring under the misapprehension that the Anime Police will bust down her door and confiscate her 90s dub DVDs?

Because that's the only way this level of upset over a redub makes ANY damn sense.

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(no subject) - [info]iczer6, 2014-08-06 03:43 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]were_lemur, 2014-08-06 01:36 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sepiamagpie, 2014-08-06 01:44 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]iczer6, 2014-08-06 09:56 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sepiamagpie, 2014-08-06 09:58 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]were_lemur, 2014-08-07 03:43 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]deliciouschaos, 2014-08-09 09:24 pm UTC

[info]puipui
2014-08-06 04:00 am UTC (link)
Now imagine if George Lucas has in addition to making those changes, stated Chewbacca was actually canonically a lesbian and changed the scenes to make that very obvious, as well as claimed the Jedi’s goal was to oversee the development of humanity according to the Force and lead them into the light through taking over the Empire.

Actually, I think it's more like someone took the Special Editions and then cut them up into a version where Han shot first, that whole scene with the stupid cartoon Jabba doesn't exist, and all the special effects look like they were made in the 70's. But maybe that's just me talking like a person who refuses to re-watch the Special Editions.

I would totally watch a version where Chewbacca is a lesbian, though. Tilda would rock that wookie costume like whoa OMG.

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(no subject) - [info]tofuknight, 2014-09-23 07:02 pm UTC

[info]chikane
2014-08-06 04:34 am UTC (link)
Ah, yes, Nangbaby, the person claiming that it's absolutely impossible to emphasize with asian people and that us icky homosexuals should never be seen by children.

Truly, her words are the sound of ultimate suffering.

As much as I would love to finish the story in a “Take That” no one reads it and no one cares,

Well, I suppose she got one thing right.

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(no subject) - [info]sepiamagpie, 2014-08-06 12:47 pm UTC
shit, accidentally hit post comment - [info]sepiamagpie, 2014-08-06 12:50 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]chikane, 2014-08-06 08:30 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sepiamagpie, 2014-08-06 08:36 pm UTC
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[info]sepiamagpie
2014-08-06 12:34 pm UTC (link)
There. Finished the tagging job some anonymous soul started. *WIPES BROW, TAKES CREDIT*

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[info]sepiamagpie
2014-08-06 12:56 pm UTC (link)
This one goes to kind of a bad place

ccharmanderk: I personally don’t mind people who like the dub. It’s the people who tout the dub as being “superior” and those who are trying to force that opinion on other people that gets on my metaphorical tits.

Nangbaby: Dub fans should just like the dub quietly and stay in the closet or else we’re forcing dub-loving down your throats. Seriously, just substitute a few words and it sounds like a fundamentalist’s rant:

ccharmanderk really means:

I personally don’t mind homosexuals. It’s the people who tout homosexuality as being “superior” and those who are trying to force that opinion on other people that gets on my metaphorical tits.


Then again, you are saying that the stereotypical homosexuality in the old anime is superior to the heterosexual equivalents in the dub, and you are forcing the new dub down everyone’s throats, so maybe there is a hint of truth in the exaggerated hyperbole after all.

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Re: AFTER POST BONUS SCENE - [info]iczer6, 2014-08-06 09:53 pm UTC
Re: AFTER POST BONUS SCENE - [info]sepiamagpie, 2014-08-06 10:00 pm UTC
Re: AFTER POST BONUS SCENE - [info]agent_hyatt, 2014-08-06 10:55 pm UTC

[info]agent_hyatt
2014-08-06 11:00 pm UTC (link)
According to friends in the fandom, she's infamous for stuff like this. They say she loves to say ridiculous borderline-to-outright offensive stuff then play the victim when dogpiled.

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[info]staroverthebay
2014-08-07 12:04 am UTC (link)
Maybe this time around we'll get to see Sailor Cosmos in the anime! I can hope, at least.

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[info]keri
2014-08-07 05:09 am UTC (link)
I just realized that for YEARS I thought Usagi was Sailor Moon's mundane name and Serena was her Magical Girl name, and also "Sailor Moon" her magical girl title.

Same thing with Tuxedo Mask's name (I never knew anyone else's names).

I feel like I've seen the light?

And obv never seen the anime/read the comic.

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[info]mochibuni
2014-08-07 07:11 am UTC (link)
Ahahaha I remember this! Now I must read it all again because it was hilarious.

Recently she was fighting the good fight against Crystal.

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[info]brennalarose
2014-08-11 03:54 pm UTC (link)
This is giving me flashbacks to the 6th grade. The bad parts version. The only difference is, I was cool with the whole "This is not the original, it's just the only thing they'll play on USA TV before school" thing. And, I thought that Haruka and Michiru were the cutest damn couple ever.

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[info]nonnyeve
2014-08-17 03:52 am UTC (link)
I don't..I don't understand. It's a remake, of course it will be different from the one she knew before. Otherwise they'd just re-air that one. If those differences are that it's more loyal to the comic why is that a bad thing?

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