gairid
2003-08-14 04:58 pm UTC (link)

"Amazingly I feel so much better. I've gotten all that out, and hopefully I've made some people think. And probably I've just gotten a bunch of people to go "Hey. Thank god I'm not the only one."

Gee...I'm so glad she feels better now. Why is it that some people really think it's their mission in life to tell other people how and what to write, think, do, feel, etc?

As far as PWP's and poorly written fic, I have a theory. The first fanfic I ever wrote was absolutely dreadful...and so were the next ones, (when I read them now I cringe) but there was a progression...gradually I learned how to phrase things better, take care with phrasing...and yes, learn how to write something other than PWP's. The earliest fics were clumsy because I was *learning*..and I think it's likely the way a lot of people learn to write. I've been out of school for...a number of years *ahem* and my skills were rusty at best...but practice does pay off. I'm not saying I'm a world class writer but I know I'm a whole hell of a lot better five years down the road than I was when I first decided to try my hand at a fanfic.

*stepping down from my creaky soapbox*

Of course....there's always THIS< Kittydesade...If you don't like it, DON'T READ IT. Duh.

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	dana 2003-08-14 05:06 pm UTC (link)
	Why is it that some people really think it's their mission in life to tell other people how and what to write, think, do, feel, etc? But don't you see, she WANTS to save us from the evils of rape-fiction, BDSM etc. Obviously her way is the right way. Except the bit where she thinks all of us teenies, disturbed. (Reply to this)(Parent)

ailei
2003-08-14 05:32 pm UTC (link)

Okay, this down-with-PWP is a bit of a hot button for me. I believe wholeheartedly that a well-written PWP can be a pure, visceral, beautiful thing that shows you depths of a character that you might not have even suspected existed. My main beef with this kittydesade chick (as it is with all the detractors of the form) is the belief that somehow sexuality isn't 'lofty' enough to be written about, like somehow one of the purest, most vital drives of the human species is somehow an unworthy thing to explore. W.T.F?! I believe that Truth is found in moments -- any SORT of moments. The moment of orgasm, the moment of loss, the moment of spiritual revelation. The kind of moment doesn't matter. It's those concentrated little spans of heartbeats when your world changes for good or ill that matter.

Erm. Sorry to rant. Not ranting at you, just...grr. It's been building up since I first saw this girl's diatribe yesterday. I think she needs to buy herself a stack of porn and a vibrator, and get over herself. Her repression is showing.

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	psychofangirl 2003-08-14 08:04 pm UTC (link)
	"I believe that Truth is found in moments -- any SORT of moments. The moment of orgasm, the moment of loss, the moment of spiritual revelation. The kind of moment doesn't matter. It's those concentrated little spans of heartbeats when your world changes for good or ill that matter." Well said! (Reply to this)(Parent)

	soy_latte 2003-08-14 10:04 pm UTC (link)
	Word. I don't care if something is a PWP or even something that squicks me... if it's good writing and it interests me I'm probably going to give it a read. Yeah some PWPs are terribly written but that's because of the author writing it, not the type of story. (Reply to this)(Parent)

oh dear.

pet
2003-08-14 05:24 pm UTC (link)

This poor girl managed to exist for so long--she is a dinosaur, I hear--without ever realizing what "PWP" means? Sad.

I honestly can't tell what she's getting so rabid about. It's writing, it's fiction, she sure as hell doesn't have to read the plotless stories if she doesn't want to. If people were actually out there raping, then comfort fucking, then raping, then comfort fucking, that would be cause for concern. As it is, someone writing out an inept and plotless power exchange fantasy hardly seems reason to run to the Powers That Be and tattle about fanfiction.

As if they didn't already know all about it.

*sigh* She makes me tired, this Kitty de Sade person or whatever her name is. Seems to me like a bitter old fandom queen cloaking her vitriol in concern for the psyches of the poor wee fanfiction writers who'll read *gasp* plotless non-con and be scarred for life. Whatever.

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	Re: oh dear. ieatpeople 2003-08-14 06:04 pm UTC (link)
	Bitter old fandom queen... ... listens to Linkin Park and "Trapt" DOES NOT COMPUTE! (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

Re: oh dear.

pet
2003-08-14 06:38 pm UTC (link)

Who to the what, now? BOFQ status has nothing to do with chronological age or musical taste. Symptoms of this state include: rants starting with the phrase "back in MY day" or the equivalent; whining about the whippersnapper upstarts who are Ruining The Fandom; bitching about the shitty fic that gets all the feedback; and a complete lack of humor about fandom and fic in general.

I'd say she qualifies handily, actually. And so do I, on at least a couple of the counts. *grin*

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	Another mysterious aspect of fandom is revealed! ieatpeople 2003-08-14 06:40 pm UTC (link)
	takes notes (Reply to this)(Parent)

	Re: oh dear. amatia 2003-08-15 03:07 am UTC (link)
	I guess my membership card should be coming in the mail any day now! (Reply to this)(Parent)

virago
2003-08-14 06:27 pm UTC (link)

Still! The username. THE USERNAME! I can't get over it.

This reminds me of the classic 14-year-old trollboy who ends every argument he can't win with some variation on "I 4M 1337 H4X0r 1 W1LL H4X0r j00!!11"

...though this tacks on the SUPREMELY annoying "...but I won't, not because I can't, understand, or not because I'm afraid my little theory would fall flat, but because I spared you all. Now cower at my mighty metaphorical manhood plz kthx."

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	soleta 2003-08-14 06:35 pm UTC (link)
	neither can I! She took the name of possibly the most famous writer of treatises on bondage, dominance, and sadism ever, and now she's complaining about non-con and BDSM and PWP? points at icon (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	phosfate 2003-08-14 06:50 pm UTC (link)
	Maybe she's a big Jack Kirby fan? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	eljuno 2003-08-14 07:04 pm UTC (link)
	Even then she must have thought about other meanings. I mean, hell, my screenname came from nothing more than playing with syllables and watching too much Simpsons, but you better believe I've had things such as Roman goddesses and ISP's float through my mind at times. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	soleta 2003-08-14 07:24 pm UTC (link)
	exactly. mine's star trek, of all things, but people call me sunshine all the time. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	phosfate 2003-08-14 08:56 pm UTC (link)
	::pats you:: Uh...that was a joke. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	eljuno 2003-08-15 02:47 am UTC (link)
	Heh. Sorry. I'm a little brain-dead these days. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	eljuno 2003-08-14 06:42 pm UTC (link)
	And I quote. The world can go to hell in a handbasket. Fury is too hard to maintain, and I no longer care. Hm. Do I even need to comment on that? (Reply to this)(Thread)

	dana 2003-08-15 12:23 am UTC (link)
	See, it's not terrorism, or the environment, or poverty that is leading to the end of the world as we know it, it's PWPs. Is she insane or what? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	laymedown 2003-08-15 08:32 am UTC (link)
	Talked to any evangelical Christians lately? She's got the right idea - it's the damn gays who are sending this world down the tube. (Reply to this)(Parent)

iczer6
2003-08-14 07:09 pm UTC (link)

{See, you are what you read and write. Science has proven this. I could probably dig up the studies if someone wants, but it's been recently confirmed that the more you use your brains and the more you keep mentally active, the more fit your brain is. You are what you think, and if all this hideously bad smut and scary rape fic is symptomatic of what people think, then dear god. The next generation of workers is going straight to the porn industry.}

So a person's entire personality is defined by the porn they read? Okay....

Then I MUST be a beautiful young boy with an invisible penis, or I'm powerful Vampire lord under the control of the last Hellsing, or perhaps I'm a cute 11 year old girl with magic powers and a hot gay brother, or the reincarnation of an angel destined to save the world!

Icz

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	ailei 2003-08-14 07:38 pm UTC (link)
	Nice work if you can get it. (Reply to this)(Parent)

hotpinkdragones
2003-08-14 07:49 pm UTC (link)

Fucking shit, she's making a leap there.

According to recent studies, the more you keep mentally active, the healthier your brain is, yes. The less likely you're going to suffer from some of the effects of aging, yes.

Any type of thinking/mental exercise that builds and uses neurons is going to contribute to a healthier brain. As long as it's keeping your brain active and engaged, writing and reading smut is going to contribute to a healthier brain. Probably the more creative the smut, the more you used your brain while reading or writing it.

'Immoral' thoughts don't make 'immoral' neurons. Neurons don't care what you're thinking, as long as you're thinking.

-hp

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	harukami 2003-08-15 07:30 pm UTC (link)
	Whoa! My hours of gaming geekdom makes me a stronger, healthier person? SCORE! (Reply to this)(Parent)

	sorchar 2003-08-15 12:33 am UTC (link)
	Damn, if that's so, then I'm the son of the owner of the WWE - fabulously wealthy, hot as hell, and according to some fics, a junkie cockslut. And here I thought my life was boring. (Reply to this)(Parent)

oulangi
2003-08-15 12:58 am UTC (link)

So a person's entire personality is defined by the porn they read? Worse, their entire being is defined by their livejournal.

Quick! help! save me from myself! I write some really nasty BDSM, not as an escape from a busy life, but because I am some misguided soul who has fallen into darkness. Worse yet, *opens can of worms* it's RPS! Only KittydeSade can save me! Can save us all! Can rule us all!

Sorry, LotR moment
*shuffles of to take her meds*

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	banal_o_rama 2003-08-14 08:19 pm UTC (link)
	Ok. Watching the Roast of Denis Leary again, solely because I don't have the No Cure for Cancer video and I felt a lot like Denis Leary when I was doing that rant. I adore Denis. Denis rocks my world. That part where he was kissing Mario Cantone was the cutest thing I've seen all week. Mario's right. Denis is so gay, and he belongs with Mario. When tinhats go bad! (Reply to this)

	soy_latte 2003-08-14 10:07 pm UTC (link)
	Oh dear. She's just... so sad. shakes head (Reply to this)

	sorchar 2003-08-15 12:31 am UTC (link)
	Does she think that fanfic is some great big SEKRIT that no one in the news media knows about? Because, you know, it's not. Bzzt! Sorry, you lose, but thanks for playing. You can collect your year's supply of Shut the Fuck Up (the San Francisco treat) from Vanna on the way out. (Reply to this)

	greekhoop 2003-08-15 02:08 am UTC (link)
	Before posting any fan fics I always ask myself if I have a moral right to do so. If my story will work for the general good of my readers and not against that general good by endorsing, tacitly or not, inappropriate or demeaning behavior. ...uhh... ...err... Okay! I give up. Somebody else want to take this one? (Reply to this)(Thread)

	guardian_writer 2003-08-15 03:27 am UTC (link)
	Self righteous bitch? Does that cover it? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: greekhoop 2003-08-15 03:29 am UTC (link)
	Just about! Maybe we'd better throw in something about knocking down a wall to make room for her huge ego just to be on the safe side, though. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	eljuno 2003-08-15 04:02 am UTC (link)
	Self righteous bitch who could appear in the Macy's Thanksgiving day parade if her head was any bigger? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	iczer6 2003-08-15 04:09 am UTC (link)
	How about her ego's so big it has it's own ecosystem? Or she's so self righteous Jesse Jackson tells her to chill out? Icz (Reply to this)(Parent)

jar
2003-08-15 06:33 am UTC (link)

Except that I did have this wonderful idea... leak to the few newsfeeds I can (local newspapers, CNN...) about what the US's and maybe some other countries' thirteen to eighteen year olds are doing. What they're writing about, what they're reading. And watch as hundreds of thousands of parents all over the world go "AAAUGH!" and yank their kids' internet privilidges.

OMG. WTF. BBQ. Yeah, because CNN would love to hear from her! ::Headesk (repeatedly)::.

Oh and a question... WTF is "privilidges" ::snicker::.

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iczer6
2003-08-15 09:18 am UTC (link)

{OMG. WTF. BBQ. Yeah, because CNN would love to hear from her! ::Headesk (repeatedly)::.}

Yes because teenagers looking at Naughty Things has NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE and it's obvious that the folks at CNN really have nothing better to do than report of people writing lousy smut and posting it.

Really I mean screw the California elections, screw the funky weather, screw baseball, the Middle East, and J Lo's wedding! Damn kids might be reading somewhat naughty stories, we have to stop them!

Icz

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	Re: jar 2003-08-15 09:20 am UTC (link)
	You're icon says it all. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	dawnswalker 2003-08-15 12:11 pm UTC (link)
	Well, to be fair, judging by what CNN has been showing lately (World News = News from America and whatever country is hosting the Evil Regime of the Week, apparently), I can see how she'd get confused into thinking that a story about the EVALS of slash fanfiction and PWP could be picked up on their radar. (Reply to this)(Parent)

sajasma
2003-08-15 10:27 am UTC (link)

OMG. WTF. BBQ. Yeah, because CNN would love to hear from her! ::Headesk (repeatedly)::.

Although, hey, if CNN can feature a long, top-story segment about Bush falling off a Segway (something like 2 or 3 times no less...), I'm starting to think that nothing is below them.

(Admittedly, Bush falling off a Segway was hilarious, as was that pretzel choking incident, yet still...)

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	shoiryu 2003-08-15 07:14 am UTC (link)
	Heh, my parents are well aware that I write gay smut, and they could care less. X) (Reply to this)

	uniquesnowflake 2003-08-15 07:48 am UTC (link)
	Dear Fucking Idiot; You have a clear problem seperating reality from, uh, fiction. My suggestion would be to seek immediate psychiatric help. Sincerely; Loving Homo (Reply to this)

	moonjaguar 2003-08-15 08:22 am UTC (link)
	Definitely a bit OT but why is it that girls who show their tits in their user icons scare me? I have no fear of tits in general. And this kittylitter person must read a lot of rapefic to be able to expound Old Testament style on it. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	coyotegirl 2003-08-15 08:34 am UTC (link)
	Perhaps because they're letting anyone and everyone go "mmm, boobies" at them? I only let very very very close friends go "mmm, boobies" at me. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	dana 2003-08-15 04:18 pm UTC (link)
	why is it that girls who show their tits in their user icons scare me? No, I found it scary as well, I know I shouldn't judge a book by it's cover, blah, blah, blah. But I just couldn't get past the icon to actually read the post, it kept on getting in the way. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	virago 2003-08-18 05:51 pm UTC (link)
	It's the baldly desperate cries for attention that turn my stomach. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	livviebway 2003-08-21 02:08 am UTC (link)
	Is it wrong to raise my eyebrows over the fact her sn is "kittydesade" and she's ranting about the horrible, nasty things being written? (Reply to this)