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	parlance 2003-03-24 04:16 am UTC (link)
	There's British grammar? [OT: Sean Astin's dumbfounded look at Mickey Mouse was priceless.] (Reply to this)(Thread)

	chaya 2003-03-24 04:34 am UTC (link)
	[OT: Sean Astin's dumbfounded look at Mickey Mouse was priceless.] So I wasn't the only one to notice that! (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

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	cesare 2003-03-24 04:56 am UTC (link)
	I hope someone's screencapping the LotR-related stuff... (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

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kannaophelia
2003-03-24 06:55 am UTC (link)

Characterisation is the devil. We write fanfic so that we *can* write cardboard characters, don't we?

There's British grammar?

That's a common response by non-Americans who don't want to admit they're wrong... Someone with no grasp of syntax told me that the only people who criticised her "grammar" were Americans. I didn't bother pointing out that she was wrong, because if I had been American, it really wouldn't have fixed her sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-clauses.

Hell, I've seen a fellow Australian claim that she's allowed to spell Tolkien as "Tolkein" throughout because we Australians use British spellings. Uh... yeah.

As for the original post... I shouldn't find petulance so amusing. But it *is.* And it's nice that not everyone who repsonded gave her the reassurance for which she was so blatantly fishing.

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lexin
2003-03-24 01:55 pm UTC (link)

There's British grammar?

Some of our usage is slightly different, and I've had that commented upon by beta-readers in the US who've never seen those phrases used quite that way.

Examples which spring to mind are "at the hospital" instead of "in the hospital", and "at the weekend" rather than "on the weekend". A friend whose first language was Gujerati and who'd lived in Britain for several years had both "at the hospital" and "at the weekend" marked wrong on a test by a US English teacher. They're not wrong, but they are non-US usage. But we don't have (that I'm aware of) very many examples like that, and I'm not sure they'd count as grammar.

Lexin, off to find her tinfoil hat, because this isn't very wanky.

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	phosfate 2003-03-24 04:46 am UTC (link)
	Oh dear. Poor lamb. Such a scathing critique, too. (Reply to this)

	nevadafighter 2003-03-24 05:03 am UTC (link)
	I've been dealing with crap like that for years. You can't fuckin' win. This is the name kind of writer who will whine and complain that she's not getting reviews, and then whine and complain that they're not ego-strokes. fume That wasn't a fucking flame, sweetie! Those're comments that are supposed to HELP you, for cripe's sake! Jeez. (Reply to this)(Thread)

pennycentury
2003-03-24 09:33 am UTC (link)

I've been dealing with crap like that for years. You can't fuckin' win. This is the name kind of writer who will whine and complain that she's not getting reviews, and then whine and complain that they're not ego-strokes.

Been there. And people wonder why they get so "little" feedback, and why so little of that is in-depth and constructive. (And isn't that subject just like a cockroach: It can't even be beaten to death. Not for lack of trying, though.)

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mirabellawotr
2003-03-24 05:10 am UTC (link)

Wow, I had no idea that character depth and description were so utterly superfluous in fanfic. And a bona fide English teacher tells me so, no less! I have now learned the error of my ways, and to prove it, here is my new fic:

Frodo walked from the kitchen to the bedroom. Sam followed him. They almost shagged but didn't. Sam told Rosie to fuck off. Frodo and Sam shagged. The end.

P.S. Sam was very good at planting stuff.

And don't even try to give me constructive criticism, because that is MEAN.

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	chaya 2003-03-24 05:15 am UTC (link)
	YOUR FIC IZ SOOOO GOOD OMG!!!1!1!111!!! CAN I REC IT PLZ????????!!?#??@???%/???? FRODO IS SO HOTTT LOLZ!!!!111!!!11!!! (Reply to this)(Parent)

	allen 2003-03-24 05:33 am UTC (link)
	Your icon made me spit out my ice cream. Good job. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	sagralisse 2003-03-24 06:44 am UTC (link)
	BLASPHEMY!! (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

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	kannaophelia 2003-03-24 06:57 am UTC (link)
	You just couldn't do it, could you? You just had to give in to the evil traidtional writing thing and put some characterisation in the post-script. Amateur. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

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	phosfate 2003-03-24 04:52 pm UTC (link)
	OMG u bitch u r so totally plagerizing me!!! My dad will sue u!!! (Reply to this)(Parent)

	Mmm...temper tantrum pradaloz 2003-03-24 05:11 am UTC (link)
	Now the grammar check was uncalled for because I do check my grammar. + I think was really hurts is that if she is right, why the fuck didn't any of you guys tell me? = WAAAAAHH!!!!! Now there's maturity for ya. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	new definition of maturity! cimorene111 2003-03-24 06:40 am UTC (link)
	indeed. (Reply to this)(Parent)

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lexin
2003-03-24 05:53 pm UTC (link)

I dunno, I think she's got a point - if she uses beta-readers or just shows her stuff to her friends and asks if it's good (or at least all right) she's durely got a real beef if they've said it is and it wasn't. That kind of criticism is better coming from a kind friend than a total stranger.

Worst of it is, if they're not good friends they're going to say, "Oh, poor you" and not "well, er, yeah, your grammar sucked rocks but we didn't want to mention it, but we will in future". I think I'd be pretty pissed with friends like that. I mean, it's kind-of akin to discovering that you'd come out of the toilet with your skirt caught up in your knickers and your 'friends' had decided to say nothing and wait to see how long it took the jocks by the bar to notice and laugh. In fact, I'd wonder if I needed friends like that.

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	gairid 2003-03-24 06:52 am UTC (link)
	"Description, yes. I have a problem with describing things. I hate describing things." So...ummm...tell me...WHY is she writing? But of course most of the characters are from 1 to 2 years old. This is relevent how? Were the first 16 chapters verbatim from whatever fandom this is from? If so...HOW is this fic? Sounds more like rehashing what has already been written. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	SORRY! gairid 2003-03-24 06:54 am UTC (link)
	I meant chapters are from 1 to 2 years old. I wish we could edit comments. points & laffs at self (Reply to this)(Parent)

sajasma
2003-03-24 07:48 am UTC (link)

She calls that harsh criticism? Stinging her? Oh grow a backbone! That reviewer was trying to soften the blow, for goodness sake! I would never take such added measures to be so tactful.

Also: Now the grammar check was uncalled for because I do check my grammar. I'm very anal about my grammar. Now, the thing that bothers me is the fact that the story is a fanfiction.

Riiiight.

So she goes from saying how wrong the reviewer was to then lashing out at everyone who didn't tell her what was wrong with her story in the first place? I hate people like her. HATE!

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	nevadafighter 2003-03-25 12:55 am UTC (link)
	Well, don't you know? Fanfiction shouldn't ever be criticized in any form--it's written for praising the wonderfulness of the author ONLY. Constructive criticism is BAD. :P (Reply to this)(Parent)

	sorchar 2003-03-24 07:50 am UTC (link)
	rolls eyes That chick needs smacking. (Reply to this)

rhi_silverflame
2003-03-24 09:37 am UTC (link)

Pfeh.

I would kill people and walk over the dead bodies to get feedback with that kind of thought and detail put into it. If there's something wrong with what I wrote, then dammit, I want to know. I might be embarrassed, but I'd kind of like to do things right.

And personally, I tend to take it as a compliment that someone was paying that much attention to a "mere work of fanfiction."

Then again, on the other side of the spectrum, there's the fanfic writers who take themselves too damn seriously . . .

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	hugsnkisses 2003-03-24 09:40 pm UTC (link)
	She reminds me so much of that silly girl who wrote an essay to get back at someone who critiqued her fic whining about how anything that wasn't: "OMG i LUVED UR FIC?!!111" shouldn't be given. "One day I learnt to FLY!". snerks And am I the only one who's slightly disturbed at the placing of the word "anal" there? (Reply to this)(Thread)

	cesare 2003-03-24 09:54 pm UTC (link)
	Oh, man, that was a motherlode of rich delicious wank. Can someone post that URL again? That essay made me laugh and laugh. (Reply to this)(Parent)