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	tempslut 2003-08-24 01:10 am UTC (link)
	*cues "Dueling Banjos"* (Reply to this)(Thread)

	iczer6 2003-08-24 01:16 am UTC (link)
	[snickers] Nice to see I wasn't the only one thinking that. This really isn't so much wanky as more of a WTF? situation. Icz (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	tempslut 2003-08-24 05:32 am UTC (link)
	Clearly. It'd be a "Now he dead from coke" moment, except incestuous people and cokeheads tend not to mix. It'd probably be more like, "Now he dead from 'shine", which doesn't have the same ring to it. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

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	ladybirdsleeps 2003-08-24 01:16 am UTC (link)
	Where's the wank? The wankiest post I see is the one that says people don't do incest because they don't like screwing people who smell like them, which is kind of crackpotty. (Children and parents separated from each other by adoption end up having madd hott passionate monkey love more often than you'd expect after being reunited.) (Reply to this)(Thread)

	iczer6 2003-08-24 01:17 am UTC (link)
	Well perhaps it isn't so much wanky as a WTF? thing. While some good points are brought up I really do wonder why someone feels the need to ask why having sex with your relatives makes many people twitch. Icz (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	ladybirdsleeps 2003-08-24 01:19 am UTC (link)
	So it makes you twitch. That doesn't make it wrong. I think it's a perfectly valid question to ask - people should always be exploring the reasons behind their (and other's) beliefs. (Reply to this)(Parent)

(no subject) - nolifeking, 2003-08-24 01:30 am UTC

	mythdefied 2003-08-24 01:25 am UTC (link)
	I'm not seeing the wank, just a WTF? But then again I come from a fandom where incest is expected. Of course we do tend to make a distinction between fandom and RL, so basically WTF? (Reply to this)(Thread)

	iris 2003-08-24 02:16 am UTC (link)
	My fandom, too. *points at icon* Which fandom were you referring to? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

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	hotpinkdragones 2003-08-24 02:51 am UTC (link)
	GIP! Got the idea for this a couple of days ago. Thought it was an appropriate time to upload it . . . (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

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	oxydosic 2003-08-24 11:44 pm UTC (link)
	Don't really have anything to add, i just wanted to pet your icon. Squee! *pets Strife/Joel* (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

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	sorchar 2003-08-24 01:32 am UTC (link)
	*shrugs* I think it's a valid question, especially in a fandom context. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	iczer6 2003-08-24 01:34 am UTC (link)
	Well in this case it really wasn't in a fandom context as much as it was in a RL context which is why it made me WTF. Icz (Reply to this)(Parent)

	hotpinkdragones 2003-08-24 03:00 am UTC (link)
	As do I. Incest storylines *are* part of both literature and, to a degree, some media fandoms. -hp (Reply to this)(Parent)

quinctia 2003-08-24 02:10 am UTC (link)

It might be a valid question... But cultural universalities dictate that it's not EVUL WESTERN CULTURE that abhors it. Other societies just have slightly different definitions on how close a relative=incest. And whomever said the smell thing was crackpotty...well it is and it isn't. There has been biological research done on "pheramones" and the wacky thing is, a woman will be more attracted to a man that is not related to her, smell wise. (This was done by having men run on treadmills and then having women smell the shirts.) Also, it gets even weirder. They would be most attracted to someone whose DNA is not too similar and not too dissimilar. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	ladybirdsleeps 2003-08-24 03:30 am UTC (link)
	I wasn't saying that it wasn't a factor, just that it's not the only factor. For example, children who are raised together, but not related, will still tend to be sexually uninterested. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

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	alden 2003-08-24 02:20 am UTC (link)
	Oh lord, I've just made my very first Shoujo-ai Forum post spouting off about Ancient Egyptian art. :( And, you know, maybe it wasn't so much wanky as WTF, but I did like reading it, so I can't complain. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	iczer6 2003-08-24 02:24 am UTC (link)
	{And, you know, maybe it wasn't so much wanky as WTF, but I did like reading it, so I can't complain.} I agree, it really was more of a WTF post than a honest to goodness wank. And welcome to forum! Icz (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

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fandom_bitch 2003-08-24 03:04 am UTC (link)

The only thing I would comment on with the Egyptian references you made pertaining toAkhenaten and Armana Period is: for one, Akhenaten himself was not the result of an incestuous relationship. His mother Tiye was not realated closely to Amunhotep III. Likewise, Akhenaten's grandfather was also not the result of an incestuous relationship. However, Anumhotep III and Akhenaten both were well known to be involved in numerous incestuous relationships with their own daughters. It's also suspected that Nefertiti may have been Akhenaten's first cousin, but no one is compltely sure. Okay, that being said, the artstyle of the Armana period is greatly suspect as to what it actually means. There are numerous theories, the one I tend to adhere to myself when Akhenaten decided to break with Egyptian religious tradition, he went all the way and decided a change of art style was merited too and went for something less stylised and more...well...weird. A political move really. And if indeed Akhenaten did suffer from Marfan's Syndrome ast others have postulated, then he didn't get it from inbreeding necessarily. It would seem the mummy of Akhenaten's maternal grandfather suffered from the syndrome himself. I just had to mention that. I'm a big fan of the Armana period, Akhenaten's reign specifically, and its political ramifications. I tend to go with "he wasn't half arsed about distancing himself from the old Egyptian religion and its norms" and when he moved the capital and changed the focus of religion he also did away with conventional art styles and themes. Okay, I'll shut up now. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

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	rann 2003-08-24 03:26 am UTC (link)
	Don't you love people that post in a thread just to say that they're not going to post in the thread? c.c (Reply to this)

I don't know about "wrong" but it's unappealing from my end... moonjaguar 2003-08-24 03:53 am UTC (link)

*cues "Inbred" by Rev. Billy C. Wirtz* Waitaminnit, Mama was a sheep. A little outbreeding there! It happens in fandom enough and I do read fic where there is incest. It depends on the setting though. Xena, Herc? Of course there's incest. And Iolaus was Herc's nephew in Greco-Roman canon and there's reams of slash about those two. Weasleycest... I tend to not read that mainly because it's in a modern setting and it is cultural conditioning hitting my ewww-meter.. then again maybe wizards can get by with a little inbreeding. I kinda wonder about those Malfoys (Lucius, not Narcissa). I did write a pairing in Hornblower with Movie Canon Character Ghost/Lookalike Descendant (also a ghost). I guess nearly two hundred years' age difference is separation enough for it not to be incest. "Incest" is one of those words that do start a reaction in people who think only in terms of incestuous sexual abuse/molestation/assault, which is a whole different ballgame and there's a different dynamic if one's sibling or other relative is the abuser as opposed to one's teacher, coach, doctor, clergyperson or Mr. Tinkertrain down the block. I think that's where the people who were posting about trauma were coming from. If a brother and sister are both of an age and mental state to consent, well... long as they don't breed (mainly because of the genetic thing). I heard that it takes a couple generations before the increased likelihood of having a child born with some sort of condition tied to inbreeding happens but I'm not real sure. Moe, Shemp and Curly Howard's parents were first cousins (with the same surname at that), their marriage was arranged in Russia. Hmm.... that's probably not an endorsement for consensual incest right there, much as I love the Stooges. A girl I went to beauty school with has a sister who was married to a first cousin. I forgot what country she was from but apparently it was legal there. Actually, I think there's a law on the books in my state that first cousins can marry. While I have some attractive cousins, I definitely don't want to do the horizontal polka with any of them because, well, they're related to me. I tend to date outside my race/ethnicity so the likelihood of me ending up in a relationship with a man who turns out to be a lost brother or cousin is pretty low. I have no idea how I'd react if I found out a long-time partner turned out to be a close relative (as in closer than second cousin). I never gave it a thought. (Reply to this)(Thread)

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Re: I don't know about "wrong" but it's unappealing from my end... - tempslut, 2003-08-24 06:06 am UTC

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Re: I don't know about "wrong" but it's unappealing from my end... - mrbimble, 2003-08-24 06:25 am UTC

Re: I don't know about "wrong" but it's unappealing from my end... - eljuno, 2003-08-24 11:35 pm UTC

I can no longer restrain my inner biologist ;) nolifeking 2003-08-24 04:58 am UTC (link)

If a brother and sister are both of an age and mental state to consent, well... long as they don't breed (mainly because of the genetic thing). I heard that it takes a couple generations before the increased likelihood of having a child born with some sort of condition tied to inbreeding happens but I'm not real sure. Incest and inbreeding can be related, but they're not the same thing as such, and you can have one without the other. Incest in itself leads to no realistic increase in the likelihood of the offspring getting genetic damage. Inbreeding leads to an increase in the recessive traits present in the population. Many damaged genes are recessives, and if they're there, they will show up as diseases. But inbreeding will not be an evolutionary drawback as long as the genepool is reasonably large, or if new blood is entered into the population every now and then. Incest nor inbreeding stops the individual from passing on their genes to offspring that can in turn pass on their genes. Which means that wherever the strong taboo against incest comes from, it's not likely to be rooted in a genetical imperative, since evolution does not plan ahead. Inbreeding, on the other hand, has always been present: Recessive traits more common than mutant Egyptians, webbed feet and mad royality include blue eyes, blonde hair and white skin. </biology wankah> (Reply to this)(Parent)

	Re: I don't know about "wrong" but it's unappealing from my end... shoiryu 2003-08-24 05:00 am UTC (link)
	A girl I went to beauty school with has a sister who was married to a first cousin. I just heard recently that first cousins don't count, actually... could be wrong. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	Re: I don't know about "wrong" but it's unappealing from my end... soleta 2003-08-24 05:15 am UTC (link)
	I believe England allows, or at least used to allow, first cousins to marry. but then I'm not entirely sure. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

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Re: I don't know about "wrong" but it's unappealing from my end... - tempslut, 2003-08-24 06:08 am UTC

Re: I don't know about "wrong" but it's unappealing from my end... - amatia, 2003-08-25 12:30 am UTC

	amasaglajax 2003-08-25 01:12 am UTC (link)
	All I know is that my brother's an unabashed asshat. So ew. (Reply to this)