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	charabok 2003-08-31 12:16 pm UTC (link)
	Maybe it's a new radical definition of Mary-Sue. (( Please. The author could have at least done us the decency of making this story take place when they were teenagers. It would make more logical sense that way. )) Because when you're thirteen, anyone over twenty falling in love is simply not logical or decent! And it's Mary-Sue-ish too, because, um, well! Yes! (Reply to this)

	jar 2003-08-31 01:09 pm UTC (link)
	I didn't read the whole report, just saw "Minerva" and "Mary-Sue" and posted a comment. Rather rash of me, but she is one of my favourite characters. I am now part of teh wank!!11one!1 I feel special. (Reply to this)

dawnswalker
2003-08-31 03:21 pm UTC (link)

Well, to be fair, Dumbledore/McGonagall is a bit squicky, because of the 50-year age difference and stuff. On the other hand, it's not as if one is of consenting age and the other isn't *cough*Any Teacher/Any Student set before Student's 5th year*cough*.

On the other other hand (three hands! Yay!), the community is supposedly about Mary Sues, not about the sex lives of adults old enough to make their own damn decisions, no matter how they turn out. Find me a McGonagall!Sue with violet eyes and a magical, golden-maned unicorn that bursts out of her skull with a chalice full of mead, and we'll nitpick then.

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	fiatincantatum 2003-08-31 03:47 pm UTC (link)
	Fifty? More like eighty if Dumbledore is 150 and McGonagall is 70 (more or less the ages that JKR gave them.) I dunno...eighty years...serious cross-gen. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	feenix 2003-08-31 08:45 pm UTC (link)
	Three words: Anna Nicole Smith. Thank you. (Also: at that point, it's not THAT bad, considering. Sure, she's <1/2 his age, but I doubt anyone is in his age bracket that's available.) (Reply to this)(Parent)

	rikoshi 2003-08-31 03:57 pm UTC (link)
	Find me a McGonagall!Sue with violet eyes and a magical, golden-maned unicorn that bursts out of her skull with a chalice full of mead, and we'll nitpick then. Does said Sue survive this experience? :) (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	dawnswalker 2003-08-31 04:15 pm UTC (link)
	Well, that depends on whether the author knows her greek mythology (or alternately, her old MTV shows) or not, doesn't it? :) (Reply to this)(Parent)

	ailei 2003-08-31 04:22 pm UTC (link)
	Oh, I get SO VEXED when teenies pull the 'eww! icky old people!' card. Old does NOT EQUAL UGLY. (Reply to this)

limyaael
2003-08-31 04:24 pm UTC (link)

Well, maybe the eye and hair color descriptions were a little over the top, but a lot of people have insisted a lot of times that that alone doesn't make a Mary Sue- and I've seen worse in published romance novels. It really does seem to be just 'old-people sex' for most of the commentators.

I'm tempted to go over there and ask them if that means they would mind writing stories about an eighty-year-old Sirius and Remus, or Harry and Draco, but I don't want to add to the wank. (Besides, I'm too depressed to find out if the answer is "Yes! Ewwww!")

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	setsunastar 2003-08-31 11:10 pm UTC (link)
	eighty-year-old Sirius and Remus I was actually planning to do that. Do you think I'll be run out of the fandom if I try? ;) (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	limyaael 2003-09-01 01:39 am UTC (link)
	I say go for it! If only to make people see it can be done. It's amazing how many people will seriously defend the appeal of things that others consider squicky- twincest and bestiality among them- with, "Don't like, don't read," but have to campaign against old-people sex. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	puipui 2003-09-01 02:49 am UTC (link)
	Well, in that particular case, the squick isn't so much in the age as it is the necrophilia. I mean, can you imagine the level of decay that'd be present after forty-five years? Eeeeewwww... (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	alden 2003-09-01 05:09 am UTC (link)
	Heee! Smartass. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	banal_o_rama 2003-09-01 05:47 am UTC (link)
	Don't make me dig up that fic where Harry and Sirius had sex with James' corpse. Heh. Get it? Dig up? Ha, I kill me! (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	trismegistus 2003-09-01 07:23 am UTC (link)
	Heh. Get it? Dig up? Ha, I kill me! Apparently James too. cymbals Thank youuuuuu, thank youuuuuu, I'll be here all week. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	puipui 2003-09-01 09:34 am UTC (link)
	...I refuse to believe you unless I see linkage. (And it's not at all because I so desperately love Horrifyingly Bad Fanfic, or even Horrifyingly Bad Premises for Fanfic. No, no, not at all!) (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	banal_o_rama 2003-09-01 07:11 pm UTC (link)
	http://www.dead-muse-rising.org/lunaticus.html Come in, and know me better. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

delfeus
2003-09-02 01:16 am UTC (link)

Oh gods, that's been posted outside snitchfiction?! I know it's supposed to be funny, but it still squicks me. Harry/Flobberworms + Harry/Hedwig, now there I could see the humor. [Flobbertongue at restrictedsection.org]

I don't like reading of old people's sex lives, but it doesn't matter to me if people write it... And I've got used to Albus/Minerva. I actually liked some Albus/Severus fic. Still, I don't like too much of the sort.

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	puipui 2003-09-02 11:23 am UTC (link)
	Oh... my... That's just sick and wrong. I have no words. Well, except "I love you," of course. Because I do. So much. ...God, I'm so disturbed right now. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	setsunastar 2003-09-01 08:48 pm UTC (link)
	like, omg, u r sooooo necrophobic + that's just not cool kthxbye theirloveissoskeletal (Reply to this)(Parent)

	lots42 2003-09-01 01:13 am UTC (link)
	Sheesh. Go back and read the comments. Everyone agrees with you guys that it's not really a big deal at all (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

limyaael
2003-09-01 01:38 am UTC (link)

A few people do. And pottersues seems to. But there are also comments like this:

Agh. Agh. Old-people lurve. So did not need to see that, thank you very much.

That doesn't seem to be focusing on the Mary Sue, just on a personal squick- which in, this case, happens to be paired with bad writing, but isn't always. Considering how many bad HP Sues there are, it seems that people are objecting to this basically for a teenie reason.

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	redpanda 2003-09-01 02:46 am UTC (link)
	Only after I dug in my heels against the sheep stampede and said the opposite. Which was about the same time this wank was posted, I think. ;) (Reply to this)(Parent)

	eljuno 2003-08-31 06:05 pm UTC (link)
	Well, I was honestly freaked out by the story and descriptions and not the old people, but some of those other comments...JEEZ, PEOPLE! I think I'm gonna go off and write some Dumbledore/Voldemort now. Dumbie's on top, and they play with beards and wrinkles. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	soleta 2003-08-31 06:19 pm UTC (link)
	Is it wrong that that makes me giggle madly? (Reply to this)(Parent)

chaos_priestess
2003-08-31 06:57 pm UTC (link)

The way I see it is that McGonagall is too professonal to start up a romantic relationship with her superior. Yes, she may look up to Dumbledore, and may even start to have (or even already have) a crush on him, but I seriously doubt she would act on it. Now, I can see them at this point having a relationship as close as brother and sister, but shit is happening and I don't think either of them would start up a romantic relationship while Voldemort is gathering power to launch another war. Now, after Voldemort is very, VERY dead... then it may be a different story. Ooh, idea...

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	banal_o_rama 2003-09-01 02:21 am UTC (link)
	BUT THEYR LURV WULD KIL VODELMROT! OMG SO KAWAII I don't think she'd have a crush on him. She's too busy being awesome and rigging the house cup for her kids to bother with that. Plus she was totally getting it on with Umbridge anyway. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	puipui 2003-09-01 02:52 am UTC (link)
	Okay, look, the Old People Lovin' is one thing, but the Umbridge sex? Eeeeeeewwww... God, that's worse than that Olsen Twincest thing I read once. Bleh! (Reply to this)(Parent)

chaos_priestess
2003-09-01 04:43 am UTC (link)

I will thank you to never use fangirl Japanese when talking about HP again. *shudder* Bad memories, baaaaaad memories...

Besides, wouldn't it be so cute if McGonagall developed a crush on Dumbledore? Two very awesome characters, both of which work very closely. She is a very practical woman, and he is a very powerful wizard... Damn it! I refuse to let this plot bunny get a hold of me!

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	banal_o_rama 2003-09-01 05:42 am UTC (link)
	CHOTTO CHOTTO BUTTSEX It probably would be cute, yeah. Might feel a bit too much like, "Well, they're the only two single ones left, so we might as well stick 'em together," but it could certainly be cute. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	chaos_priestess 2003-09-01 05:49 am UTC (link)
	Brr. Not necessarily. I mean, I see it as two very strong people falling in love... here, plot bunny! Grab onto banal_o_rama instead! (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

banal_o_rama
2003-09-01 05:59 am UTC (link)

::crushes plot bunny's wee little skull beneath her heel::

Sorry, don't do fanfic these days--and HP was never my fandom to begin with. ^^

And yeah, it could just be two strong people having a sort of mutual admiration society; in the right hands, it could be pretty nice. Of course, in the chotto chotto buttsex hands of your average HP ficcer, their purpose is to comment on how nicely Snape and Lupin seem to be working out now that that awful Sirius is out of the picture, and isn't it just a shame that Potter and Malfoy aren't old enough to pose in flagrante delicto for the yearbook? Except more l33t.

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	roswellingram 2003-09-02 05:27 pm UTC (link)
	Completely off-topic, but your icon just made my morning. Thank you. :D wipes tea off her keyboard (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	roswellingram 2003-09-02 05:32 pm UTC (link)
	slaps self Was trying to reply to chaos_priestess. Sorry. Though god knows you can't beat plastic bestiality, either. Huzzah! ^__^;;; (Reply to this)(Parent)

	chaos_priestess 2003-09-02 09:41 pm UTC (link)
	grin There's so much I want to say about this icon. For one, just WHERE is Darc's hand? I love the text on your icon. That is just great. Ooh, ow. Water and nasal passages do not mix. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	resmiranda 2003-09-04 12:05 am UTC (link)
	OMG SO KAWAII SPORFLE (Reply to this)(Parent)

	iczer6 2003-08-31 06:59 pm UTC (link)
	For what it's worth I don't writing a love story for the older members of Hogwarts is a that bad of an idea but WHO are these people? That is NOT Albus Dumbledore and that is NOT Minerva McGonagall. I'm not squicked by the ages but by the OOCness. Icz (Reply to this)

	backfromspace 2003-09-01 12:46 am UTC (link)
	I just love it when I have relevant links to share. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	candy 2003-09-01 01:25 pm UTC (link)
	does not say a word simply opens* Word* goes back to writing Stones-set-a-couple-of-months-ago-slash ponders adding sex scene after Mick recovers - he had the flu Um...does that community accept community promos? http://www.livejournal.com/community/stonesslash is not ashamed to promote her 3-membered comm (Reply to this)(Parent)

	arien 2003-09-01 01:53 am UTC (link)
	I don't see anything wrong with Dumbledore/McGonagall, but then again my first ship was Picard/Crusher. shrug They're still cute, even if they are older. (Reply to this)

	banal_o_rama 2003-09-01 02:44 am UTC (link)
	(( Please. The author could have at least done us the decency of making this story take place when they were teenagers. It would make more logical sense that way. )) I just had a mental image of little Robbie Dumbledore (he changed his name when he went into wizarding) making out with a cup of McGonagall's grandfather's semen. THANK YUO EARTH LOGIC (Reply to this)(Thread)

	iczer6 2003-09-01 04:19 am UTC (link)
	{I just had a mental image of little Robbie Dumbledore (he changed his name when he went into wizarding) making out with a cup of McGonagall's grandfather's semen.} The mental images these discussions inspire.... No wonder I'm a horrible slash-loving whore who's corrupting Our Children! Icz (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	banal_o_rama 2003-09-01 05:45 am UTC (link)
	Didn't you know that Dumbledore/Cup of Grampa McGonagall's Semen is the trendiest new OTP? OMGTHERLUVIZSOOPAQUEWHITE (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	puipui 2003-09-02 11:31 am UTC (link)
	I won't believe it until I see the icons. Now where can I find a picture that looks like a cup of semen... Hmm... (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	fiatincantatum 2003-09-02 03:25 pm UTC (link)
	Got milk? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	phosfate 2003-09-02 05:25 pm UTC (link)
	Got condensed milk? (Reply to this)(Parent)